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haresfur

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Posted: Aug 27, 2026 - 2:37pm

 mannixj wrote:

The GLOBALLY UNDISPUTED height of mobile phone photography with special regards to ZOOM:

Samsung Galaxy S26 Ultra
The BOOK always used to tell us, look for OPTICAL ZOOM , forget digital... 

What Ridley Scott uses:


I am eternally pissed off my S24 has its high resolution on the normal lens but not the optical zoom lens. Better to zoom optically then use the digital to crop

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Posted: Aug 27, 2026 - 7:15am

The GLOBALLY UNDISPUTED height of mobile phone photography with special regards to ZOOM:

Samsung Galaxy S26 Ultra
The BOOK always used to tell us, look for OPTICAL ZOOM , forget digital... 

What Ridley Scott uses:

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Posted: Aug 27, 2026 - 6:29am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


The best camera is the one in your hand. Or words to that effect. CFW has a fairly new iPhone and if he gets into the settings, can control a lot before and after taking the shot. I haven't played with it so I dunno.

He also got a small monocular/spotting scope and a phone adapter thing for it so if he needs the zoom, he's got it. But it's soft, no comparison to a real telephoto SLR setup.



Antigone

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Posted: Aug 27, 2026 - 4:37am

I opened the front window shade this morning, and then propped the new phone on the window frame, and was fooling around with the focus. I was LUCKY!!! So funny that the phone told me to "clean the camera lens." Ha! It's the window that's dirty.

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Alchemist

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Posted: Aug 26, 2026 - 10:56pm

 Antigone wrote:

I decided, based on the advice from my former boss — who is an excellent photographer experienced with lots of different equipment — to upgrade my iPhone. Much better camera than my old phone, and better battery too. My carrier had two offers that made it so my monthly payment will actually be a few dollars LESS. So. There you go. YMMV


I upgraded mine not too long ago, and yes, it's amazing how good they have gotten, especially for video (make sure you set it for 4k capture!). 

Also, for nature, you want to be ready to take a photo on an instant's notice.  Practice waking the phone with a screen tap or power button press then swiping left anywhere on the lock screen to immediately launch the camera.  Also, if you hold down the white shutter button, it will switch from still to video immediately.  Let go to stop video, or swipe right to lock it on.
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Aug 26, 2026 - 7:46pm

 Antigone wrote:

I decided, based on the advice from my former boss — who is an excellent photographer experienced with lots of different equipment — to upgrade my iPhone. Much better camera than my old phone, and better battery too. My carrier had two offers that made it so my monthly payment will actually be a few dollars LESS. So. There you go. YMMV



The best camera is the one in your hand. Or words to that effect. CFW has a fairly new iPhone and if he gets into the settings, can control a lot before and after taking the shot. I haven't played with it so I dunno.

He also got a small monocular/spotting scope and a phone adapter thing for it so if he needs the zoom, he's got it. But it's soft, no comparison to a real telephoto SLR setup.
Antigone

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Posted: Aug 26, 2026 - 6:42pm

I decided, based on the advice from my former boss — who is an excellent photographer experienced with lots of different equipment — to upgrade my iPhone. Much better camera than my old phone, and better battery too. My carrier had two offers that made it so my monthly payment will actually be a few dollars LESS. So. There you go. YMMV
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Aug 1, 2026 - 1:59pm

 Alchemist wrote:

I did a lot of research before moving on from my 20+ year Nikon d80/d300s/d500 dSLR lineage.   These were all APS-C size sensor cameras, originally designed because full frame sensors were really expensive in the early digital days.  But manufacturers quickly realized they could offer a new line of lenses optimized for these 1.5X crop sensors which would be smaller, lighter, and cheaper, which is what sold me on the platform.  But after a few decades it became apparent that Nikon had decided not to offer their best lenses  in the smaller format, and I wanted to move to better glass.  The Micro Four Thirds system (primarily Panasonic and Olympus) by contrast, was starting over with a completely optimized system around a 2X crop sensor and a mirrorless design, and offered a good selection of lenses up to full-on pro lenses.  I had been watching the progress of mirrorless cameras for some time and holding off until the viewfinders got better, and the Olympus (now OM Systems) cameras finally brought everything I wanted together.   Mirrorless is a nice fit for the smaller sensor, because it's faster to read, allowing more computational tricks, faster burst performance, etc.  Indeed, the MFT system has led the industry with many features.   I've gotten interested in wildlife photography, and the OM system is really a game-changer here: lenses are way smaller, image stabilization is crazy good, and features like pre-capture let you take the shot after the action already occurred.  The viewfinder design is finally superior to dSLR cameras: lag and brightness have been solved, and there are features like highlighting any areas of the image which are blown or lost in shadows.

It's certainly true that modern full-frame cameras have better low light performance, though the RAW noise reduction algorithms available now are amazing and getting better all the time.  I take photos at ISO 20,000 with very good results once I run the images through the software.

The article quoted above is picking and choosing examples to support his choice - for instance he claims his Sigma wildlife lens is less expensive, but he is comparing it to "Big White", a super trick, hand crafted, optically and electrically sorted lens that is 5 times more expensive than the far more mainstream MFT model.  He also comments that it's "only" 1.8 lbs heavier, but doesn't admit that most photographers consider it crossing into the territory of too heavy to hand hold for extended periods of time.  

At the end of the day, what matters are the photos, and I feel that the MFT platform gives excellent results in real-world usage.  In particular, I'm unaware of any Full-Frame lens equivalent to my 12-100mm f/4 Pro lens, which provides truly excellent image quality over an equivalent 24-200mm range (in other words, this is pretty much the only lens I need for most photography)



stop it. This could get expensive.  The very first SLR I have held was an Olympus back in the 70s when I was just a kid. I was absolutely blown away by it. Just looking through the viewfinder was like entering a cinema. 
So I love the look of the OM3 which rings all sorts of bells with me, and then also delivers apparently. crikey. 
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Posted: Aug 1, 2026 - 12:41am

 Alchemist wrote:
... ... ... 

At the end of the day, what matters are the photos, and I feel that the MFT platform gives excellent results in real-world usage.  In particular, I'm unaware of any Full-Frame lens equivalent to my 12-100mm f/4 Pro lens, which provides truly excellent image quality over an equivalent 24-200mm range (in other words, this is pretty much the only lens I need for most photography)



Thank you very much for your professional insight!

Alchemist

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Posted: Jul 31, 2026 - 1:22pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
I didn't know that term but this article goes into more depth. I'm kind of hobo'ing off this conversation, sorry. We've been traveling a bit lately and I kind of want to be more thoughtful about photography (again). It's been a while though, so I'm starting at square one.
What I Miss About Micro Four Thirds

I did a lot of research before moving on from my 20+ year Nikon d80/d300s/d500 dSLR lineage.   These were all APS-C size sensor cameras, originally designed because full frame sensors were really expensive in the early digital days.  But manufacturers quickly realized they could offer a new line of lenses optimized for these 1.5X crop sensors which would be smaller, lighter, and cheaper, which is what sold me on the platform.  But after a few decades it became apparent that Nikon had decided not to offer their best lenses  in the smaller format, and I wanted to move to better glass.  The Micro Four Thirds system (primarily Panasonic and Olympus) by contrast, was starting over with a completely optimized system around a 2X crop sensor and a mirrorless design, and offered a good selection of lenses up to full-on pro lenses.  I had been watching the progress of mirrorless cameras for some time and holding off until the viewfinders got better, and the Olympus (now OM Systems) cameras finally brought everything I wanted together.   Mirrorless is a nice fit for the smaller sensor, because it's faster to read, allowing more computational tricks, faster burst performance, etc.  Indeed, the MFT system has led the industry with many features.   I've gotten interested in wildlife photography, and the OM system is really a game-changer here: lenses are way smaller, image stabilization is crazy good, and features like pre-capture let you take the shot after the action already occurred.  The viewfinder design is finally superior to dSLR cameras: lag and brightness have been solved, and there are features like highlighting any areas of the image which are blown or lost in shadows.

It's certainly true that modern full-frame cameras have better low light performance, though the RAW noise reduction algorithms available now are amazing and getting better all the time.  I take photos at ISO 20,000 with very good results once I run the images through the software.

The article quoted above is picking and choosing examples to support his choice - for instance he claims his Sigma wildlife lens is less expensive, but he is comparing it to "Big White", a super trick, hand crafted, optically and electrically sorted lens that is 5 times more expensive than the far more mainstream MFT model.  He also comments that it's "only" 1.8 lbs heavier, but doesn't admit that most photographers consider it crossing into the territory of too heavy to hand hold for extended periods of time.  

At the end of the day, what matters are the photos, and I feel that the MFT platform gives excellent results in real-world usage.  In particular, I'm unaware of any Full-Frame lens equivalent to my 12-100mm f/4 Pro lens, which provides truly excellent image quality over an equivalent 24-200mm range (in other words, this is pretty much the only lens I need for most photography)

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Posted: Jul 30, 2026 - 11:47pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


ok, now I suddenly want 5k more in disposable income this month.  Not sure if he was consciously using reverse psychology, but by telling me he no longer uses it, he really made me want one.

damn.



Yea, right. The whole article (the whole website even) is nothing but industry-sponsored commercials dressed as "professional guidance".
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Jul 30, 2026 - 11:31pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


I didn't know that term but this article goes into more depth. I'm kind of hobo'ing off this conversation, sorry. We've been traveling a bit lately and I kind of want to be more thoughtful about photography (again). It's been a while though, so I'm starting at square one.
What I Miss About Micro Four Thirds


ok, now I suddenly want 5k more in disposable income this month.  Not sure if he was consciously using reverse psychology, but by telling me he no longer uses it, he really made me want one.

damn.

lovehonk

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Posted: Jul 30, 2026 - 9:28pm

 Antigone wrote:

Again, more good questions. I have gotten somewhat spoiled by my iPhone, but I'm not sure it's going to give me the photos I will want in Alaska. I do know that I won't want to carry around something weighty, or complicated. 

Taking this into account, plus your wish for zoom it honestly can most only be a compact camera, or a bridge camera

You know, which ones come into account...  
P.S.
I bought mine refurbished some 5 years ago for 300 bucks, and I can still sell it again for the same price (but I won't). And yes, over here all cameras are more expensive than in your country.
Antigone

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Posted: Jul 29, 2026 - 3:52pm

 Alchemist wrote:


Digital technology has made it possible to shrink camera size and weight, including the lenses.  I moved to a Micro Four Thirds system, which has a sensor 1/2 the height of the old 35mm "full frame" cameras.  This allows the lenses to be half the size as well.  So I'm able to have a pro-level camera for much less bulk and cost.  Next, modern cameras automatically compensate for optical deficiencies in the lenses, allowing previously impossible designs such as very long zoom ranges while maintaining image quality.  So a wide variety of systems are available.  These days one of the most important considerations is what kind of an experience you want when using the camera.  Do you like the old school feel of viewing the image through a viewfinder or do you prefer looking at the image projected on a screen on the back of the device?  Do you like the camera being ready to shoot instantly when you pick it up, or are you OK waiting for a lens to deploy and focus?  Do you want to isolate subjects from their backgrounds, or would you prefer as much as possible be in focus?  And of course, how much weight are you willing to carry around with you.





Again, more good questions. I have gotten somewhat spoiled by my iPhone, but I'm not sure it's going to give me the photos I will want in Alaska. I do know that I won't want to carry around something weighty, or complicated. 
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Jul 29, 2026 - 3:30pm

 Alchemist wrote:


Digital technology has made it possible to shrink camera size and weight, including the lenses.  I moved to a Micro Four Thirds system, which has a sensor 1/2 the height of the old 35mm "full frame" cameras.  This allows the lenses to be half the size as well.  So I'm able to have a pro-level camera for much less bulk and cost.  Next, modern cameras automatically compensate for optical deficiencies in the lenses, allowing previously impossible designs such as very long zoom ranges while maintaining image quality.  So a wide variety of systems are available.  These days one of the most important considerations is what kind of an experience you want when using the camera.  Do you like the old school feel of viewing the image through a viewfinder or do you prefer looking at the image projected on a screen on the back of the device?  Do you like the camera being ready to shoot instantly when you pick it up, or are you OK waiting for a lens to deploy and focus?  Do you want to isolate subjects from their backgrounds, or would you prefer as much as possible be in focus?  And of course, how much weight are you willing to carry around with you.




I didn't know that term but this article goes into more depth. I'm kind of hobo'ing off this conversation, sorry. We've been traveling a bit lately and I kind of want to be more thoughtful about photography (again). It's been a while though, so I'm starting at square one.
What I Miss About Micro Four Thirds
Alchemist

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Posted: Jul 29, 2026 - 2:57pm

 Antigone wrote:



These are good, thought provoking questions. 

I adored my film Pentax K1000, for many years, and had a number of lenses for it. That was one of the reasons I bought the digital Pentax, because the lenses would work on the new camera. I used the digital Pentax for a while, but eventually it became a pain to lug it around. I stopped using the K1000 due to the cost of film, and the "lugging around" issue. The Sony, a gift, got me back into photography, which I enjoy very much. I'm certainly not a serious photographer, but I do like taking a nicely composed shot, now and then (as evidenced by my participation in the photography threads). I don't do any post processing, and have no interest in doing that. The appeal of the Lumix is the zoom. 

Thanks!




Digital technology has made it possible to shrink camera size and weight, including the lenses.  I moved to a Micro Four Thirds system, which has a sensor 1/2 the height of the old 35mm "full frame" cameras.  This allows the lenses to be half the size as well.  So I'm able to have a pro-level camera for much less bulk and cost.  Next, modern cameras automatically compensate for optical deficiencies in the lenses, allowing previously impossible designs such as very long zoom ranges while maintaining image quality.  So a wide variety of systems are available.  These days one of the most important considerations is what kind of an experience you want when using the camera.  Do you like the old school feel of viewing the image through a viewfinder or do you prefer looking at the image projected on a screen on the back of the device?  Do you like the camera being ready to shoot instantly when you pick it up, or are you OK waiting for a lens to deploy and focus?  Do you want to isolate subjects from their backgrounds, or would you prefer as much as possible be in focus?  And of course, how much weight are you willing to carry around with you.


Antigone

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Posted: Jul 29, 2026 - 6:29am

 Alchemist wrote:

OK, the Sony was a Point 'n Shoot, and the Pentax a mid-sized dSLR.  Obviously the image quality of digital has improved a lot in the last 20+ years, but how did you feel about these choices when they were new?  Did you prefer the convenient size of the Sony more than the speed and control of the Pentax?  What do you feel is missing taking photos with your smartphone? 




These are good, thought provoking questions. 

I adored my film Pentax K1000, for many years, and had a number of lenses for it. That was one of the reasons I bought the digital Pentax, because the lenses would work on the new camera. I used the digital Pentax for a while, but eventually it became a pain to lug it around. I stopped using the K1000 due to the cost of film, and the "lugging around" issue. The Sony, a gift, got me back into photography, which I enjoy very much. I'm certainly not a serious photographer, but I do like taking a nicely composed shot, now and then (as evidenced by my participation in the photography threads). I don't do any post processing, and have no interest in doing that. The appeal of the Lumix is the zoom. 

Thanks!


Alchemist

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Posted: Jul 28, 2026 - 3:28pm

 Antigone wrote:

Well, there is the Argoflex that was my parents'. My Pentax K1000 that I got in college. A Sony Cybershot DSC-P9 that was a gift from an ex, and then the Pentax K100 D I splurged on. "Antiques" that I have soft spots for but can't practically use.


OK, the Sony was a Point 'n Shoot, and the Pentax a mid-sized dSLR.  Obviously the image quality of digital has improved a lot in the last 20+ years, but how did you feel about these choices when they were new?  Did you prefer the convenient size of the Sony more than the speed and control of the Pentax?  What do you feel is missing taking photos with your smartphone? 

Antigone

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Posted: Jul 28, 2026 - 1:03pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


Note that the price is the same at non-Amazon B & H 


Yeah, my local Best Buy actually has one in stock, at the same price, and I thought about going by to look at it when I was in town earlier. But, I reached out to my former, former boss (who is an excellent photographer) and I’m going to sit on it for a bit. I knew that if I liked it, and there was only one … I’d be all FOMO, and would buy it. Not sure I need to spend that money. Thanks everyone for the input! 
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Posted: Jul 28, 2026 - 7:43am

 Antigone wrote:

Here's another, less expensive Lumix recommended by Wirecutter. 



Note that the price is the same at non-Amazon B & H 
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