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Posted: Oct 27, 2026 - 8:39pm

 miamizsun wrote:

is this true? because if it is...

"Under Communism, both religion and pseudoscience were systematically suppressed—except for the superstition of the state ideological religion. It was advertised as scientific, but fell as far short of this ideal as the most unselfcritical mystery cult."
— Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark <1>


The latter part of that quote is equally suited to the state ideological religion of capitalism and its supposed 'magik.'

From the same book:
In addition to teaching us what to do when evaluating a claim to knowledge, any good baloney detection kit must also teach us what not to do. It helps us recognize the most common and perilous fallacies of logic and rhetoric. Many good examples can be found in religion and politics, because their practitioners are so often obliged to justify two contradictory propositions. Among these fallacies are:

• observational selection, also called the enumeration of favorable circumstances, or as the philosopher Francis Bacon described it, counting the hits and forgetting the misses* (e.g., A state boasts of the Presidents it has produced, but is silent on its serial killers);
• inconsistency (e.g., Prudently plan for the worst of which a potential military adversary is capable, but thriftily ignore scientific projections on environmental dangers because they're not "proved." Or: Attribute the declining life expectancy in the former Soviet Union to the failures of communism many years ago, but never attribute the high infant mortality rate in the United States (now highest of the major industrial nations) to the failures of capitalism.
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Posted: Oct 27, 2026 - 10:41am

is this true? because if it is...

"Under Communism, both religion and pseudoscience were systematically suppressed—except for the superstition of the state ideological religion. It was advertised as scientific, but fell as far short of this ideal as the most unselfcritical mystery cult."
— Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark <1>


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Posted: Oct 26, 2026 - 9:20pm

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Can't argue with the truth...


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Posted: Mar 31, 2022 - 11:11am

More apposite:
The Doctor Carl Sagan Warned Us About
Dr. Christiane Northrup, a medical doctor, uses her intuition to tell her fans that medicine is wrong and magic is real.
Predictions made by psychics and astrologers tend to quickly fade from memory because of how wrong they often turn out to be, but one prediction made by Carl Sagan, an astrophysicist and famous science communicator, is so unfortunately on the money that it continues to outlive him. He spelled it out in the second chapter of his last book, The Demon-Haunted World: “I have a foreboding of an America in my children’s or grandchildren’s time—when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what’s true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.”

Superstitions did not disappear in the modern age, but with the COVID-19 pandemic driving people to spend more and more time online, anxiously searching for and simultaneously being bombarded by anything that looks like information, this prophesied crystal-clutching and horoscope-consulting is all the more evident. And there are misenlightened gurus who epitomize Sagan’s dire warning, chief among them Dr. Christiane Northrup. (...)

An obstetrician-gynecologist by training, Northrup rose to fame as a New York Times bestselling author of books like Women’s Bodies, Women’s Wisdom and The Wisdom of Menopause. She was platformed by Oprah Winfrey on many occasions and was named by Reader’s Digest in 2013 as one of the 100 most trusted people in America. Her online fanbase is considerable: 149,000 followers on Instagram and over half a million fans on her Facebook page. For a medical doctor’s star to shine so brightly during a pandemic should be a boon, but Dr. Northrup is no ordinary doctor. Every night, she addresses tens of thousands of followers in ten-minute videos that deny the reality of the pandemic, promote every magical belief under the sun, and weave a grand Dungeons-and-Dragons-style narrative about the Age of Aquarius and Northrup’s Warriors of the Radical Light.

As Carl Sagan wrote in The Demon-Haunted World, “sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.” (...)

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Posted: Mar 31, 2022 - 11:03am

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Carl Sagan got it right when he spoke about trust

"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: if we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth."

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Thanks to Lenore who made a comment in my Deion Sanders article that linked to an opinion piece about trust.

The article talked, among other things, about the Bernie Madoff effect: “And even when it starts to become clear we have been fooled, whether on a small, large, or life-threatening scale, the vast majority reject it.”

This quote stood out for me:

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: if we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, Even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

― Sarl Sagan, The demon-haunted world: science as a candle in the dark

For more on this, see the full article.


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Posted: Mar 30, 2022 - 10:52pm

Carl Sagan got it right when he spoke about trust

"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: if we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth."

Steve Kirsch
15 hr ago
401231

Thanks to Lenore who made a comment in my Deion Sanders article that linked to an opinion piece about trust.

The article talked, among other things, about the Bernie Madoff effect: “And even when it starts to become clear we have been fooled, whether on a small, large, or life-threatening scale, the vast majority reject it.”

This quote stood out for me:

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: if we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, Even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

― Sarl Sagan, The demon-haunted world: science as a candle in the dark

For more on this, see the full article.


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"A lot of the competing doctrines are after what feels good"
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