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Posted: Jun 26, 2018 - 2:05am

 haresfur wrote:
Wouldn't the pure libertarian position be to open the borders completely and let the global marketplace work out the population balance?

 
Yes on paper, but culture matters I don't care what anyone says.  For instance no matter how bad our immigration issue is, at least we have Hispanic culture at our borders and not Arabic and that does indeed make a difference.  You can sit up high on philosophical laurels and muse ideas like tolerance and free markets, but in the real world all cultures do not blend and assimilate as easily as others and that's the on the ground facts of life.  And from a wider and more important perspective, I feel much more confident that WHEN we become a Hispanic nation that our Constitution and Bill of Rights will be maintained whereas in an Arabic culture, not so much. Religion and the notion of separation of church and state are part of culture too.


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Posted: Jun 25, 2018 - 8:47pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
To their growing regret.
 
In some quarters, sure. Most Europeans have said (and voted) that their own freedom of movement, work, and commerce was enough of an incentive to grant that same freedom to others. We have that here in the US between states, which retain sovereignty even with open borders. We take it for granted. It's a good thing.
 
There are always people who object to freedom, especially other people's freedom, especially other people who don't look like them or speak the same language or worship the same god(s). We're not completely over that here in 'Merica but if you actually pause and think about it that freedom is a large part of why we've made what progress we have.
 
I haven't given this a lot of thought, ever, it's true, but 20 years ago we had a bit of a crossroads and thought about cashing out our coffeehouse and taking the small nut we'd have left and moving to Ireland to basically reopen a coffeehouse there. The barriers to that always struck me as unfair to us and to whatever town we settled in. We'd have gotten a small business loan and employed a few people but just like here, if we weren't going with around £250k, they were afraid we'd apply for gov't services and be a drain on them, when we had every intention of improving the neighborhood. Oh, well, got some kids instead.
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Posted: Jun 25, 2018 - 6:31pm

 kurtster wrote:
To their growing regret.
 
In some quarters, sure. Most Europeans have said (and voted) that their own freedom of movement, work, and commerce was enough of an incentive to grant that same freedom to others. We have that here in the US between states, which retain sovereignty even with open borders. We take it for granted. It's a good thing.
 
There are always people who object to freedom, especially other people's freedom, especially other people who don't look like them or speak the same language or worship the same god(s). We're not completely over that here in 'Merica but if you actually pause and think about it that freedom is a large part of why we've made what progress we have.

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Posted: Jun 25, 2018 - 6:00pm

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Yes, much as the EU has done.


 
To their growing regret.
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Posted: Jun 25, 2018 - 5:22pm

 haresfur wrote:
Wouldn't the pure libertarian position be to open the borders completely and let the global marketplace work out the population balance?
 
Yes, much as the EU has done.

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Posted: Jun 25, 2018 - 5:19pm

Wouldn't the pure libertarian position be to open the borders completely and let the global marketplace work out the population balance?
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Posted: Jun 3, 2018 - 4:19pm

Red_Dragon wrote:
 
He may be the only one who does:
Bill Redpath, a Libertarian party official, told The Post that Larson was expelled from the Libertarian Party of Virginia last year.

...but you knew that because you read the article.
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Posted: Jun 2, 2018 - 6:23am

Calls himself a Libertarian...
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Posted: Jan 11, 2018 - 9:19pm

Oh, the irony!

Despite at one point declaring himself to be a libertarian Matt Taibbi has had nothing good to say about the libertarian movement or anyone in it, but he has a book to peddle and no one on the left will talk to him since a book he co-wrote about his days writing for an English language tabloid in Russia called The eXile came to light. It (the new book) is, by all accounts, very good and Reason magazine interviewed him about it.

This is interesting for a lot of reasons (one of which is how civil everybody is) but mostly for how similar their views are on the subject of the book, the death of Eric Garner. Give it a watch.


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Posted: Jan 6, 2018 - 8:49am

i may disagree with boaz on some small stuff but he captures the essence here pretty well

i think it is worth your time


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Posted: Dec 31, 2017 - 5:31pm

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Now, now. Don't get too excited; unlike most libertarian rants, it's a fairly balanced article. They quote farmers who acknowledge that some safety rules are certainly necessary and helpful. Most pragmatists like me acknowledge that if there is anything bureaucracy is good at, it's overdoing a good thing.

Reforming things to make regulation less onerous and more effective without getting rid of the good aspects (baby/bathwater) may require a bureaucratic cultural shift. I suspect the system by which we determine funding for regulatory agencies shares a big part of the blame. As the article points out, some agencies with overlapping responsibilities seem intent on outdoing each other; the mindset behind it is likely based on "the more rules we have and the more regulatory responsibility we have, the more money/staff we will be able to request to enforce them". How can we eliminate that sort of perverse incentive? I suspect it's fairly widespread. Look at turf wars/jurisdictional battles that happen in the Pentagon, between law enforcement agencies, etc.

I would like you to consider the context here before I comment further: the farm in the article grows apples. Humans have grown (and eaten) apples for thousands of years, mostly without the heavy hand of government guiding them. Somehow we managed. Most of the harm we're supposedly being protected from is imaginary.

I'd also like you to compare two regulatory frameworks the growers operate under: one mandated by government and the other by their customers. But have their drawbacks but their aims and methods are very different.

The customer gives the grower a clear list of rules they want followed*. The rules are intended to make the end users happy with the product. If the rules aren't followed (or if for some other reason the end users don't like them) they won't buy the apples.

The government(s) give the grower an infinite list of rules and insists that he follow all of them. Which of them actually apply is left as an exercise for the grower...until the regulatory agencies step in and issue a ruling that oops you missed one. Or thousands, whatever, not my problem pay up. The satisfaction of the end user is irrelevant; if the process wasn't followed as laid out (even if separate regulatory agencies insist on contradictory processes; even if the regulatory agency changes its mind about what the rules mean; even if the grower asks for guidance and gets told what the rules mean but someone else at the agency decides differently) the grower gets penalized. Fined usually, but harsher punishments are on hand, meted out by the same people that write and interpret the rules and judge any appeals.

Under one regime what is expected is clear and the worst that can happen is failing to sell a crop. Under the other regime the grower can lose much much more than the value of a single crop or even the value of the entire farm—the punishment can be as draconian as the whim of a regulator wants to make it.

But won't someone think of the children!

I am thinking of the children. The children who eat nice safe processed foods made in gleaming factories where every variable can be controlled and every regulation can be complied with...instead of eating apples.

*It's in the interest of both parties that the list be both clear, concise, and relevant.  There is no incentive to make that list longer or harder to follow than necessary.
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Posted: Dec 31, 2017 - 11:10am

Clinical psychologist explains how Ayn Rand helped turn the US into a selfish and greedy nation
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Posted: Dec 28, 2017 - 6:03am

 Lazy8 wrote:

Whoa, the Times noticed that the endless rules it sanctimoniously insists on might actually be counterproductive? Did somebody spike the punch at the Christmas party?

 
Now, now. Don't get too excited; unlike most libertarian rants, it's a fairly balanced article. They quote farmers who acknowledge that some safety rules are certainly necessary and helpful. Most pragmatists like me acknowledge that if there is anything bureaucracy is good at, it's overdoing a good thing.

Reforming things to make regulation less onerous and more effective without getting rid of the good aspects (baby/bathwater) may require a bureaucratic cultural shift. I suspect the system by which we determine funding for regulatory agencies shares a big part of the blame. As the article points out, some agencies with overlapping responsibilities seem intent on outdoing each other; the mindset behind it is likely based on "the more rules we have and the more regulatory responsibility we have, the more money/staff we will be able to request to enforce them". How can we eliminate that sort of perverse incentive? I suspect it's fairly widespread. Look at turf wars/jurisdictional battles that happen in the Pentagon, between law enforcement agencies, etc.
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Posted: Dec 27, 2017 - 9:06pm

 aflanigan wrote: 
Whoa, the Times noticed that the endless rules it sanctimoniously insists on might actually be counterproductive? Did somebody spike the punch at the Christmas party?
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Posted: Dec 27, 2017 - 10:02am

One of Lazy8's pet soap boxes.

When Picking Apples on a Farm With
5,000 Rules, Watch Out for the Ladders




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Posted: Sep 2, 2017 - 4:11am

 Lazy8 wrote:


 Well the internet has made it easier to allege that countries meddle in elections, anyway.


 
True, but let's also not be so naive' to think that countries do not meddle in elections, oh they do and the number one offender for years is the United States through the enforcement wing the CIA. There is just no proof that countries have actually hacked into electoral systems and literally altered the votes which is the false insinuation.  Usually the meddling is propaganda and sometimes the point of a gun. I am aware you already know all of this, I suppose it is just important to distinguish between meddling and altering the outcome literally, huge difference that the media seems to want to muddle for some reason.{#Think}


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Posted: Sep 1, 2017 - 12:33pm

 black321 wrote:
Ok, that's fair.  To be clear, i wasn't arguing one way or the other...simply "asking the libertarian."  Thanks for the comments.  I do think it is interesting how the internet has made it easier for countries to allegedly meddle in elections.

Well the internet has made it easier to allege that countries meddle in elections, anyway.
 

 

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Posted: Sep 1, 2017 - 11:51am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 black321 wrote:

I stumbled upon this…no idea of the source or how accurate, but thought it was at least an interesting read, if not accurate. 

 The Ron Paul and Tea Party ‘revolution’ of 2008 look suspicious, considering Russia’s 2016 hacking

https://timeline.com/ron-paul-russia-hacking-e248f87f38f2


So...Ron Paul's support is fake? All those people who voted for him...didn't? He didn't start Young Americans for Liberty, a thriving campus organization with 900 chapters and 310,000 members? Or are all those people Russian agents?

I have no idea if Russia or Ukraine (Ukraine, btw, is a country that has been at war with Russia since 2014, and wasn't exactly on good terms in 2008 but whatever) sent out spam emails for Ron Paul in 2008. I honestly don't care either. I don't care if Vladimir Putin likes Ron Paul or not, likes the TEA Party (which Dr. Paul is only peripherally involved with) or not.

But let's say Ron Paul (or Donald Trump, for that matter) is Vladimir Putin favorite person ever. Let's say Vladimir Putin personally wrote the spam emails promoting Ron Paul in 2008. Still don't care.

Vladimir Putin doesn't vote in US elections. Vladimir Putin can't make anyone vote for any candidate. If he wants to send out spam emails or go door-to-door he's welcome—that's not only not illegal it does no harm to our electoral process.

If you (or anyone) want's to allege that Russians interfered with an election you're going to have to go beyond "they said some things". You're going to have to show some actual, you know, interference with an election. Changing vote counts. Preventing people from voting. Casting fake ballots.

So far the only allegations I've seen of that kind of activity are by Americans.

So go ahead and make a case, but it better have more than innuendo and six-degrees-of-separation guilt by association to it.
 


 


Thank you.  да здравствует мать россия!


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Posted: Sep 1, 2017 - 11:43am

 Lazy8 wrote:
So...Ron Paul's support is fake? All those people who voted for him...didn't? He didn't start Young Americans for Liberty, a thriving campus organization with 900 chapters and 310,000 members? Or are all those people Russian agents?

I have no idea if Russia or Ukraine (Ukraine, btw, is a country that has been at war with Russia since 2014, and wasn't exactly on good terms in 2008 but whatever) sent out spam emails for Ron Paul in 2008. I honestly don't care either. I don't care if Vladimir Putin likes Ron Paul or not, likes the TEA Party (which Dr. Paul is only peripherally involved with) or not.

But let's say Ron Paul (or Donald Trump, for that matter) is Vladimir Putin favorite person ever. Let's say Vladimir Putin personally wrote the spam emails promoting Ron Paul in 2008. Still don't care.

Vladimir Putin doesn't vote in US elections. Vladimir Putin can't make anyone vote for any candidate. If he wants to send out spam emails or go door-to-door he's welcome—that's not only not illegal it does no harm to our electoral process.

If you (or anyone) want's to allege that Russians interfered with an election you're going to have to go beyond "they said some things". You're going to have to show some actual, you know, interference with an election. Changing vote counts. Preventing people from voting. Casting fake ballots.

So far the only allegations I've seen of that kind of activity are by Americans.

So go ahead and make a case, but it better have more than innuendo and six-degrees-of-separation guilt by association to it.
 
 

Ok, that's fair.  To be clear, i wasn't arguing one way or the other...simply "asking the libertarian."  Thanks for the comments.  I do think it is interesting how the internet has made it easier for countries to allegedly meddle in elections. 


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Posted: Sep 1, 2017 - 11:34am

 black321 wrote:

I stumbled upon this…no idea of the source or how accurate, but thought it was at least an interesting read, if not accurate. 

 The Ron Paul and Tea Party ‘revolution’ of 2008 look suspicious, considering Russia’s 2016 hacking

https://timeline.com/ron-paul-russia-hacking-e248f87f38f2


So...Ron Paul's support is fake? All those people who voted for him...didn't? He didn't start Young Americans for Liberty, a thriving campus organization with 900 chapters and 310,000 members? Or are all those people Russian agents?

I have no idea if Russia or Ukraine (Ukraine, btw, is a country that has been at war with Russia since 2014, and wasn't exactly on good terms in 2008 but whatever) sent out spam emails for Ron Paul in 2008. I honestly don't care either. I don't care if Vladimir Putin likes Ron Paul or not, likes the TEA Party (which Dr. Paul is only peripherally involved with) or not.

But let's say Ron Paul (or Donald Trump, for that matter) is Vladimir Putin favorite person ever. Let's say Vladimir Putin personally wrote the spam emails promoting Ron Paul in 2008. Still don't care.

Vladimir Putin doesn't vote in US elections. Vladimir Putin can't make anyone vote for any candidate. If he wants to send out spam emails or go door-to-door he's welcome—that's not only not illegal it does no harm to our electoral process.

If you (or anyone) want's to allege that Russians interfered with an election you're going to have to go beyond "they said some things". You're going to have to show some actual, you know, interference with an election. Changing vote counts. Preventing people from voting. Casting fake ballots.

So far the only allegations I've seen of that kind of activity are by Americans.

So go ahead and make a case, but it better have more than innuendo and six-degrees-of-separation guilt by association to it.
 

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