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Posted: Nov 17, 2017 - 5:04am

why don't we just stop this insanity and come home?


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Posted: Nov 16, 2017 - 3:10pm

Poll: Americans Would Cut Middle East War Spending

But "crusaders" backed by foreign interests shape policy

 Posted onNovember 16, 2017

On November 3, professor John Mearsheimer made a short and stunning presentation at "U.S. Foreign Policy in the Trump Era: Can Realism and Restraint Prevail?" conference held at George Washington University in Washington, DC. In the unipolar world after the collapse of the Soviet Union, he claimed, realists urged nonintervention and staying out of conflicts and countries that "really don’t matter much." Unfortunately, American “crusaders” prevailed and pushed the US into a series of unnecessary quagmires across the greater Middle East.

Americans appear to agree. When presented with a list of expenditure categories, and polled about which should be the single top priority for budgetary cuts by Congress, "US military actions in the Middle East" was far and away their top choice. But most Americans probably have little idea how enormous those costs truly are.

Question: Which expenditure category should Congress cut to make government more responsive to the American people and reduce the budget deficit?

The IRmep poll was fielded by Google surveys from November 13 to November 15 and has an RMSE score of 4.9% Demographic filtering is available online from Google.




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Posted: Nov 3, 2017 - 11:32am

 islander wrote:

....... It's probably too little  too late though, as that 16 year drum beat has probably bankrupted us.

 
No, not true.  The current President and Commander-in-Chief wants to bankrupt you, and seems absolutely determined to do so. 

Mind you President Bush II started the 'War on Terror' and President Obama continued the 'War on Terror' because they are both Neo-Marxists in the Baran Sweezy tradition.   You see capitalism suffers from a chronic crisis of over-production.  So the capitalist state must find ways to destroy large amounts of social wealth in order to save the capitalist system.  It is all logical.  

Other capitalist countries do not apparently have this problem but as we all know, they are unfair traders brutally exploiting disadvantaged Americans. Disgusting.  

On the other hand, it is possible that Americans support and enjoy high kill ratios more than the Israelis do.  Think of the Israeli nation building process as the gift that just keeps on giving. 

Luckily Americans are more than willing to sacrifice fellow American lives for land and water in the West Bank and in this heroic effort to save modern capitalism.  It is all very noble and glorious.  


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Posted: Nov 3, 2017 - 6:53am

 miamizsun wrote:
what the fv©k

i don't even want to know how accurate this is

even if it is a fraction it is way too much

oh and then there's that whole blowing up a whole bunch of innocent men, women and children part   {#Sad}

it just has to stop as soon as possible

Defense Department: The War On Terror Has Cost $250 Million A Day For 16 Years



 
It's not easy being this afraid. It's also not easy keeping everyone this afraid.

I am somewhat heartened at the reaction to this week's terror attack. There was the normal froth, but there was also a lot of fairly reasoned acceptance that you can't harden every target and still be a free society. Maybe we are finally getting a bit of that British heritage kicking in and doing the keep calm and soldier on thing. It's probably too little  too late though, as that 16 year drum beat has probably bankrupted us.
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Posted: Nov 3, 2017 - 5:11am

what the fv©k

i don't even want to know how accurate this is

even if it is a fraction it is way too much

oh and then there's that whole blowing up a whole bunch of innocent men, women and children part   {#Sad}

it just has to stop as soon as possible

Defense Department: The War On Terror Has Cost $250 Million A Day For 16 Years


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Posted: Nov 2, 2017 - 4:49pm

LowPhreak:

I think I understand your frustration and I certainly agree with this notion that the USA should stop using its military boot heel to gratuitously crush other people.

That said, soldiers who obey democratically elected political leaders sometimes end up in dumb wars and should be supported at the other end, rather than ostracized as appeared to have been the case with many Vietnam vets.

Take Canada.  Prime minister Jean Chretien kept Canada out of the Iraq folly but did not prevent Canada from joining the US-lead invasion and occupation of Afghanistan despite the fact that it was clearly an extremely bad decision on the part of the USA to cut diplomatic relations with the Afghanistan government and invade.  If the USA had continued talking, the Taliban government could have delivered Osama bin Laden at a fraction of the cost of eventually assassinating him.

Canada had no choice.  Canada belongs to NATO and a fellow NATO member — the USA — had been attacked with Afghanistan used as a base.  Canadian soldiers returned from Afghanistan, some dead, some injured, some with PTSD and other problems.  

My impression is that returning Canadian vets have been overall well treated.  Curiously enough, more than a few are medicating themselves for PTSD with cannabis.  

Regarding soldiers and police and faithful civil servants is important:  it places the responsibility for bad decisions where it belongs and highlights their status as ordinary workers who deserve our respect and support.  Too many angry people will violently attack the police or soldiers because for these angry folks, police and soldiers are not people but representatives of a nation state whose policies they despise.

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Posted: Oct 30, 2017 - 8:50am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

You signed up, right?

 
No I did not for Iraq or A'stan, nor would I have because I knew both were bogus from the git. My service was during the 80s. And no one signed up to get fucked over by a system that should not exist in its current state.
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Posted: Oct 30, 2017 - 8:33am

 LowPhreak wrote:

As a vet, this is what makes me want to tell the soccer moms and various knee-jerk dumb asses to fuck off, when they give the standard "thank you for your service!" platitudes to veterans. Exactly what is it they're thanking vets for? They don't have a clue because they're spoon fed the pablum and lies every day on the idiot box, newspapers and radio.

It's easy to make yourself feel better, that you're being somehow patriotic, to put "Support Our Troops!" magnets on the back of your car and spew empty slogans.

You want to support the troops?

#1 - Get them out of harm's way and stop the U.S. invasions and conflicts. Get the "troops" out of the Middle East and elsewhere. The U.S. actions are not only illegal and unconstitutional, they're wrecking the economy and thousands of American lives including families of military.

#2 - Give the "troops" (which includes all eligible veterans) what they need for benefits. Stop cutting funds and personnel at the VA while giving more billions to the Pentagon and tax cuts to well-to-do assholes that don't need it.

#3 - Start holding the politicians of BOTH PARTIES responsible.

If you don't support the above, then shut the fuck up with "thank you for your service!" and "support the troops!".


 


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Posted: Oct 30, 2017 - 7:23am

 LowPhreak wrote:
If you don't support the above, then shut the fuck up with "thank you for your service!" and "support the troops!".
 
You signed up, right?
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Posted: Oct 30, 2017 - 7:08am

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Yep and now those veterans are going to return home with those memories and images haunting them for the rest of their lives.  Very sad what we do to our own military and force them to deal with every time they look in the mirror.  I deal with disabled veterans all day long.  They are just hollow people being consumed inside by the crimes against humanity they were forced to commit in the name of freedom.  Instead of getting these people adequate aftercare the military budget is funding more weapons and troops.  Makes me sick.

 
As a vet, this is what makes me want to tell the soccer moms and various knee-jerk dumb asses to fuck off, when they give the standard "thank you for your service!" platitudes to veterans. Exactly what is it they're thanking vets for? They don't have a clue because they're spoon fed the pablum and lies every day on the idiot box, newspapers and radio.

It's easy to make yourself feel better, that you're being somehow patriotic, to put "Support Our Troops!" magnets on the back of your car and spew empty slogans.

You want to support the troops?

#1 - Get them out of harm's way and stop the U.S. invasions and conflicts. Get the "troops" out of the Middle East and elsewhere. The U.S. actions are not only illegal and unconstitutional, they're wrecking the economy and thousands of American lives including families of military.

#2 - Give the "troops" (which includes all eligible veterans) what they need for benefits. Stop cutting funds and personnel at the VA while giving more billions to the Pentagon and tax cuts to well-to-do assholes that don't need it.

#3 - Start holding the politicians of BOTH PARTIES responsible.

If you don't support the above, then shut the fuck up with "thank you for your service!" and "support the troops!".



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Posted: Oct 28, 2017 - 7:40am

via anti-war.com

we're well conditioned suckers for handing off responsibility and accountability to politicians

it seems that there is an indestructible teflon partition in our noggins protecting the religion of politics

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The claim was made during oral arguments in an appeal filed by Nathan Michael Smith, a now-former Army intelligence analyst who sued last year claiming former President Barack Obama was illegally fighting Islamic State terrorists without an authorization for use of military force, or AUMF, from Congress.

Smith, who left active-duty military service in June, supports fighting the jihadi group, but argues doing so has not been properly authorized by Congress. “For me, it’s not a partisan issue,” he told the Washington Examiner outside a courtroom in the nation's capital. "Procedure matters, if we're a nation of laws.”


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Posted: Oct 12, 2017 - 12:52pm

Wow.  Impressive footage.

Oh well, at least the Obama drones helped publicize and democratize drone warfare; smaller, resource poor groups can readily adapt this technology.  

Drones may ultimately prove to be more dangerous than tactical nuclear weapons.
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Posted: Oct 10, 2017 - 4:08am

parity in war? ha!

well placed grenade on a small drone ...

Kaboom! Russian Drone With Thermite Grenade Blows Up a Billion Dollars of Ukrainian Ammo

A single grenade-carrying drone set off one of the largest explosions in recent memory.

A drone carrying a grenade infiltrated an ammunition dump in Ukraine, setting off an explosion that caused an astounding billion dollars worth of damage. The incident points to the growing use of drones in wartime, particularly off the shelf civilian products harnessed to conduct sabotage and other attacks.

Guerrilla groups, terrorists, and perhaps even governments worldwide have rapidly weaponized consumer drones, effectively turning hobbyist devices into lethal weapons capable of killing. 




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Posted: Sep 20, 2017 - 6:33am

 miamizsun wrote:


wars and military spending are a social/government program

a big one at that

the problem is that we can't say no to bad government ideas like war

solutions?

 
I believe we can, we simply choose not to.
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Posted: Sep 20, 2017 - 4:58am

 Red_Dragon wrote: 

wars and military spending are a social/government program

a big one at that

the problem is that we can't say no to bad government ideas like war

solutions?
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Posted: Sep 19, 2017 - 12:15pm

US Says No Money for Social Programs, But '$700 Billion to Kill People? Yeah That We Have'
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Posted: Sep 17, 2017 - 9:55am

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I could hit that. 
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Posted: Sep 16, 2017 - 6:20am

 westslope wrote:

Good article EXCEPT a few major problems.

The military-industrial complex is not driving these wars.  Resources are.  What resources?  

Israeli nation building and the cheap energy entitlement.

The anti-Muslim hysteria helps Israel with the occupation and the on going efforts to establish facts on the ground in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.  The USA also supports Israel's nuclear weapons arsenal.  

So much for anti-proliferation efforts. 

I gotta wonder if the author  WILLIAM J. ASTORE  believes that wars are fought because of "Us versus them".     No Mr. Astore.  Wars are always fought over resources.  There are no exceptions.  

 
Yes, but money is a resource and the MIC filling their coffers is a part of the equation, just not all of it. There is nothing cut and dry about the quagmire that is the Middle East.


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