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Posted: Apr 25, 2018 - 2:32pm

How Many Millions Have Been Killed in America’s Post-9/11 Wars? Part 3: Libya, Syria, Somalia and Yemen
In the third and final part of his series, Nicolas JS Davies investigates the death toll of U.S. covert and proxy wars in Libya, Syria, Somalia and Yemen and underscores the importance of comprehensive war mortality studies.
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Posted: Apr 25, 2018 - 4:05am

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Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 4:11am

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Posted: Apr 20, 2018 - 12:33pm

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I guess the anti war movement is indeed quite dead
 
It's dead in some places. In others, it's still alive. Though it's certainly but a shadow of its former self (Vietnam, Iraq).

Democracy Now lost the plot on some issues.
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Posted: Apr 20, 2018 - 12:13pm

It is a scary world we live in when Amy Goodman's Democracy Now a longtime paragon of truly independent progressive journalism is now advocating war. Yikes! I guess the anti war movement is indeed quite dead:

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2018/april/20/democracy-now-s-alt-media-platform-for-humanitarian-imperialism-in-syria/
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Posted: Apr 13, 2018 - 7:30pm

Intercepted Podcast: A Nation Addicted to War

JS: The bipartisan war party is once again giddy with excitement. Just a year ago, they were celebrating as Donald Trump became “presidential” when he rained down $100 million worth of cruise missiles, 59 of them on a Syrian military installation. Now, they’re at it again, openly goading Trump. Daring him. Encouraging him to — well, they don’t say what exactly in Syria, but they want military action.

And the thing is, just last week Trump was reportedly talking about the U.S. getting out of Syria very soon. Just days later, it seems, that we may be on the brink of another significant escalation in the U.S. bombing of Syria. There may even be a substantial U.S. ground invasion at some point. This is a very serious moment. So what happened?

Well, on April 4th Russian television reported on comments that Vladimir Putin made during a recent visit to Turkey, where Putin said that Russia had intelligence suggesting that anti-Assad forces in Syria were planning to stage what he called provocations involving chemical weapons in Syria.

Vladimir Putin (translated): We have obtained undeniable evidence of planned provocation by the militants with the use of chemical agents.

JS: Soon after those statements by Vladimir Putin were broadcast, on April 6th, a senior Russian military official was quoted by the state news agency TASS, as saying that the Free Syrian Army was planning chemical attacks with the use of chlorine in areas under its control. That Russian official was quoted as saying “the militants plan to photograph and video the alleged effects of chemical weapons and show the clips to the public at large to blame government troops for civilian casualties, as well as to provide excuses for their own actions to disrupt the ceasefire.”

RT: Russia’s defense ministry says rebel groups have been armed with chemical weapons in Syria and are planning to stage false-flag attacks as a pretext for the U.S. to carry out airstrikes.

JS: On Saturday reports began emerging from the Damascus suburb of Douma that a chemical weapons attack had been unleashed on the civilian population. Horrifying images of children and women and men being rushed to the hospital or already dead were posted online, and they soon made their way to global television networks.

Holly Williams (CBS): Survivors struggling to breathe, especially children, and being hosed down as if to remove a substance from their skin. We cannot independently verify any of these videos or confirm whether a chemical attack took place. Survivors, though, reportedly smelled of chlorine, a chemical that can be deadly in enclosed spaces.

JS: Most of the news coverage focused on the civilians, and I believe that’s the right focus, but Douma was also a stronghold of an armed Islamist group that’s backed by Saudi Arabia and trying to overthrow Bashar al Assad. That group is known as Jaysh al Islam. In any case, the Trump Administration swiftly accused Bashar al Assad and the Syrian government of being responsible for the attack. (...)


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Posted: Apr 13, 2018 - 2:59pm

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A scenario for the intervention or for the serious human rights abuses? I'm sure you can be creative with both...

 
if my government (esp donald trump) is using deadly military force against otherwise peaceful people (including immigrants) and death is imminent 

you, in person (or canada if need be) have my permission to save us (including immigrants) or send help

if you do come, i'll probably be hungry, so please bring some snacks

and if it is winter, a heavy jacket

i''l pm you my address

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Posted: Apr 13, 2018 - 2:34pm

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did you have a scenario in mind?
 
A scenario for the intervention or for the serious human rights abuses? I'm sure you can be creative with both...
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Posted: Apr 13, 2018 - 2:26pm

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So if that occurred within the US, you'd be ok with a military intervention of a foreign nation ignoring your sovereignty?
 
did you have a scenario in mind?


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Posted: Apr 13, 2018 - 2:20pm

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seriously i guess we would have to define humanitarian intervention

assuming that the claims were legitimate

stopping slaughter, genocide or serious human rights abuses would probably require a military response
 
So if that occurred within the US, you'd be ok with a military intervention of a foreign nation ignoring your sovereignty?
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Posted: Apr 13, 2018 - 1:24pm

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Sound like pro-war to me. It just needs to be justified, within your legal framework, and then we're good to go kick some ass.


if someone ever posted something pro-war under my moniker then you know that   a) it isn't me   b) a witch doctor cast a pro-war curse/spell on me

seriously i guess we would have to define humanitarian intervention

assuming that the claims were legitimate

stopping slaughter, genocide or serious human rights abuses would probably require a military response

if it was a situation where just the presence and/or resources were needed to aid in something deemed humanitarian (maybe an evac, e&e, natural disaster, etc.)

unfortunately our military leadership is quick to take license with justified force

 


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Posted: Apr 13, 2018 - 12:42pm

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this type of military intervention needs to be the absolute last resort

also have the proper approval and well defined

because permanent war 

Sound like pro-war to me. It just needs to be justified, within your legal framework, and then we're good to go kick some ass.
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Posted: Apr 13, 2018 - 6:56am

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I'm not arguing against anything put forth above.  Just pointing out that ‘humanitarian intervention’ is the very reason cited for going into Libya.  

That is all.
 
this type of military intervention needs to be the absolute last resort

also have the proper approval and well defined

because permanent war


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Posted: Apr 12, 2018 - 12:54pm

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I'm not arguing against anything put forth above.  Just pointing out that ‘humanitarian intervention’ is the very reason cited for going into Libya.  

That is all.
 
That worked out great!
I'm not arguing for or against anything above either. Only pointing out dispatching a brutal despot (one who's not in our pocket, that is) comes with, uh, 'unintended consequences'.
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Posted: Apr 11, 2018 - 4:12pm

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while we're hypnotized with "look a squirrel" political buffoonery really bad stuff has been and continues to happen

people are being killed

do we really give a damn?

Attacking Syria “Impeachable”

April 10

FRANCIS BOYLE, fboyle at illinois.edu
Boyle is professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. He said today: “Any U.S. attack targeting the Syrian government or its forces would clearly violate both U.S. and international law. When Obama was in a similar position in 2013, his advisor Ben Rhodes has since commented that they turned back largely because they were afraid of impeachment. That fear is well founded. While the prospect of impeaching Trump is thrown around frequently for partisan purposes, on this issue, the constitution is clear: Initiating a war or any such attack without authorization is clearly impeachable.

“Last year, at the National Press Club, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., claimed the authority to target the Syrian government stemmed from the 2001 Authorization for the Use of Military Force. Gen. Dunford was totally incorrect. The AUMF passed after 9/11 has indeed been used to justify the bombing campaign purporting to target ISIS, but it cannot possibly be used to justify targeting the Syrian government.

    “Excuses of ‘humanitarian intervention’ have no basis in international law and in these circumstances are transparently hollow. Israel apparently just attacked Syria (illegal) from Lebanese airspace (also illegal). Israel itself just openly admitted that it is killing Palestinian civilian protesters — part of a decades-long brazenly illegal policy. The U.S. representative to the UN, Nikki Haley, prevented even an inquiry by the UN into the matter. There’s no evidence of any humanitarian concern here, simply a search for pretexts to pursue geopolitical goals which may well include carving up Syria.”



 
I'm not arguing against anything put forth above.  Just pointing out that ‘humanitarian intervention’ is the very reason cited for going into Libya.  

That is all.
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Posted: Apr 11, 2018 - 2:38pm

Follow the money...
The US military budget shows just how deep Donald Trump is getting into Syria
Donald Trump warned Russia that US missiles to Syria “will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” in a tweet Wednesday morning.

The threat is a response to a reported chemical weapons attack on the Syrian town of Douma, which was held by the rebel forces. At least 40 people died during the bombing on Saturday (Apr. 7,) according to rescue workers and other observers who blame the Syrian government forces. The Syrian government has denied the accusations.

While initially reluctant to get entangled in the war in Syria, the US is prepared to be more involved than ever. In fiscal year 2019, the government assigned $15.3 billion’s worth of Department of Defense funds for US operations in the troubled Middle Eastern country. It set aside another billion in foreign aid and other help through the Department of State, according Costs of War, a research project at Brown University.

The US’s military commitment to Syria, however, remains tiny compared to the US’s involvement in Afghanistan and Pakistan. At its highest point, in 2011, US officials appropriated nearly $120 billion to spend in that conflict. The size of US’s budget for those two countries remained more than twice as big as the one for Syria in fiscal 2018.
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Posted: Apr 11, 2018 - 7:44am

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kids get shot up and it is genuinely tragic, but if a few days later we smoke 25 or so innocent people in a drone strike (mostly women and children) there is hardly a response

 
I guess my problem with the logic is that it's telling people that they're caring about the wrong things. Maybe try framing it as they're not caring about enough things. That's a tough one too, but convincing people to not care is a tall order.
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Posted: Apr 11, 2018 - 7:15am

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kids get shot up and it is genuinely tragic, but if a few days later we smoke 25 or so innocent people in a drone strike (mostly women and children) there is hardly a response

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i'm open for suggestions on how to handle this here and elsewhere (i'm also aware that some folks would rather not see or hear about it at rp)

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Distance, exposure level, skin color, tribalism, perceived guilt by association, fight them over there.... Who knows what ugly rationalization people use to accept lunacy.

I have no idea. I've given up on pleas to morality because I usually just get a blank stare. I'm on to basic economics as a justification to stop the war(s), but the scale of our spending is so vast that people can't even tell when you accidentally add or subtract a zero. It all looks like imaginary numbers. 
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Posted: Apr 11, 2018 - 7:06am

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Not singling you out but this line of reasoning pisses me off. I am capable of being outraged by more than one thing at a time! And in this case, separating the buffoonery from the impending strike on Syria is unwise. Everybody knows that a wartime president's approval ratings go up. Ergo, war!
 
Oh, and a reminder of what this war is about



 
i guess it should upset you (it does me)

chalmers johnson nailed it when he said when politicians get in trouble they have a tendency to make the eagle scream

and we're probably about to see some more of that in syria

i'm a bit tweaked by our lack consistency against aggression/violence/murder

kids get shot up and it is genuinely tragic, but if a few days later we smoke 25 or so innocent people in a drone strike (mostly women and children) there is hardly a response

am i a condescending moralistic asshole dick for pointing all of this out? sure/guilty

my frustration might be summed up by asking a question or two

why are we knowingly murdering innocent people? (or why are we allowing it to be done in our name?)

why do frame it as collateral damage, etc.?

where does this rank or how should this be prioritized by media and our leadership/politicians?

and when would be a good time to start having conversations about it?

this type of violence as a solution doesn't seem to get the desired effect

my hallucination is that we if asked some of the survivors how they felt about it we would be more likely to ask politicians to stop (maybe have it on a televised program or give some similar attention that the media gives domestic violence)

i'm not posting the graphic stuff for obvious reasons

and is there better or more effective way to get attention or to encourage conversations

i'm open for suggestions on how to handle this here and elsewhere (i'm also aware that some folks would rather not see or hear about it at rp)

peace



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