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Posted: May 21, 2018 - 11:11pm

Australia’s Immigration Solution: Small-Town Living



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Posted: May 21, 2018 - 1:55pm

Animation: Visualizing Two Centuries of U.S. Immigration

America is a nation of immigrants, and though the country has seen a lot of new arrivals over the past two centuries, the rate of immigration has been far from steady.

War, famine, economic boom and bust, religious persecution, and government intervention have all caused wild swings in the rate of immigration from countries around the world.

Today’s striking animation, by Max Galka, is a great way to see changes in immigration over time. Inflows from specific countries rise and fall, and the top three countries of origin change numerous times over the years.

Below, is another way to look at the ebb and flow of American immigration since the early 1800s.

U.S. Immigration Charts
An important note. This data excludes forced migration (slavery) and illegal immigration.




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Posted: Apr 10, 2018 - 3:43pm

Also (more discussion)
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Posted: Apr 10, 2018 - 3:24pm

 R_P wrote: 


Thank you, R_P!!! I was wondering whether anyone bothered to read my (long) posts. 
I posted a link to this story


Here’s the Reality About Illegal Immigrants in the United States

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/06/us/politics/undocumented-illegal-immigrants.html
in the "illegal immigrants" thread. Also very much worth reading. One big takeaway: according to the Migration Policy Institute, 2.7% of illegal immigrants commit felonies while "The proportion of felons in the overall population was an estimated 6 percent in 2010, according to a paper presented to the Population Association of America.)"
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Posted: Apr 10, 2018 - 3:07pm

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Posted: Apr 10, 2018 - 2:46pm

The Myth of the Criminal Immigrant
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Posted: Feb 2, 2018 - 2:10pm

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Sarah Taber

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Ag & food scientist, supply chain consultant. 

In light of what's going on with #Dreamers, it's time to talk about Japanese internment. 

Because the #DACA showdown is Japanese internment 2.0.

(snip)



 
Some interesting points here.

As someone who has picked crops by hand for money, I can personally confirm that farm labor is mostly a skilled effort. Fewer members of the newer generations have any experience or ability to pick a crop without damaging it and thus make it worthless (mine was shade tobacco for cigar wrappers, had to be handled delicately to prevent blemishes), fix a broken tractor or pickup truck, operate a backhoe, etc.


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Posted: Feb 2, 2018 - 10:33am

Sarah Taber

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Ag & food scientist, supply chain consultant. 

In light of what's going on with #Dreamers, it's time to talk about Japanese internment. 

Because the #DACA showdown is Japanese internment 2.0.

Japanese immigrants in the 19th & early 20th centuries came to the US in large part for manual farm labor in California.  

Sound familiar?

Japan had much more advanced horticulture than the US at that time, so these immigrants weren't just bringing brute labor. They were bringing a lot of basic how-to's of commercial farming that built the foundation for California's success as an agricultural powerhouse today.

Japanese immigrant farm laborers American Dream'd so hard, many families were able to save money to buy their own land and start farming for themselves. 

"The California Farm Bureau was quoted by The News, saying that Japanese farmers were responsible for 40 percent of all vegetables grown in the state, including nearly 100 percent of all tomatoes, celery, strawberries and peppers."

https://t.co/CKaAYHxUB7?amp=1

The Central Valley used to be peppered with Japanese family farms. Not anymore. What happened to them?

WW2's Japanese internment.

Japanese internment was a land grab by white farmers. Full stop.

The initial call for Japanese internment came mere hours after the Pearl Harbor bombing, from the Salinas Valley Vegetable Grower-Shipper Association. 

AKA, Japanese internment was initiated by the California farm lobby.

https://t.co/y9FqkS6wnQ?amp=1

"The average value/acre of all West Coast farms in 1940 was $37.94, whereas that of Japanese farms was $279.96... 3/4 acres of Japanese farm lands were devoted to actual crop production, whereas only 1/4 acres of all farm land in the areas was planted in crops." 

Check out those numbers. Japan's farm traditions were based on maximizing use of space, so they made more $ per acre. That tends to drive up land prices. And rising land prices tend to make people whose farming skills can't keep up feel very nervous.

So. Japanese farmers' success came from having tight management skills, and that threatened their white neighbors. 

White farmers had a choice: level up their game, or play dirty. 

Let me reiterate: given a choice between being good at their job and lobbying the gov't to make their problems go away, US farmers chose the second option. 

This is a classic move that those in the farm industry will still recognize. 

"We're charged with wanting to get rid of the Japs for selfish reasons. We might as well be honest. We do." 
-Austin E. Anson, Salinas Vegetable Grower-Shipper Association 

They weren't even trying to hide it. Japanese internment was about white good ol' boys being jealous of successful immigrants.

There was a downside though. Remember how Japanese American farmers were growing nearly half the country's produce? And the US war strategy was "an army marches on its stomach, so we need super solid supply chains for food"?

It turns out putting most of the country's skilled farmers in jail ... didn't help with making food. 

Once internment started, food shortages quickly followed.

How did the US handle that misstep? Victory gardens! 

“Victory Gardens were the propagandistic answer to the chaos created by FDR’s roundup and imprisonment of 120,000 Japanese-Americans in early 1942.” 

https://t.co/a5JOwe5Wkm?amp=1

So yeah, victory gardens were less "plucky nation pitches in with the war effort" and more "oh wow we systematic racism-ed so hard that we punched a hole in the economy. Do we admit we the mistake and fix it? Nahhhh, let's foist the consequences off on civilians." 

What does this have to do with #DREAMers? 

Like Japanese families in the early 20th century, a lot of US immigrant population today is families that came to work on farms. And they've been here just long enough to actually get established and really start building a life. 

The US was kind of ok with immigration as long as it was get in, work for really cheap, get out.

But we're at a demographic turning point where a critical mass of farm immigrant families have reached some upward mobility and established themselves en masse. 

And here's the part that most people don't know, unless they work in some really specific parts of the farm economy. 

Most of the US thinks of "immigrant farm workers" as grunt labor. And yes, most of the brute force work on farms is done by Latinx immigrants.

But 1st and 2nd generation Latinx immigrants are also the *knowledge base* in modern US agriculture.  

I'm gonna tell you guys a secret. A lot US farmers don't actually know that much about farming. They know a lot about writing checks to Latinx contractors, who know how to farm.

The US farm industry isn't just dependent on Latinx immigrants for labor. They're dependent on Latinx immigrants for knowing HOW to farm. How to manage a harvest, how to run a packinghouse, how to keep a fleet of farm vehicles running.

And I bet you money that scares the hell out of a lot of white people. 

Not the farmers, funnily enough. The actual farmers tend to be a lot more at peace with it than the rest of the rural/suburban white population.

(Don't get me wrong, they still mostly voted for Trump. Even though they knew his immigration policies are deadly for farms. They vote for conservatives and just expect things to magically turn out immigration-friendly anyway.)

The thing is, farmers aren't the influential voting bloc they used to be. The new wrinkle entering the immigration debate right now, IMO, is private prisons.

Prison labor's been used in the US for manufacturing for quite some time. But it's making significant new inroads into farm labor. Especially now that it's becoming harder for immigrants to work in the US, farms are turning to inmate contracts.

Prisoners working on a farm is a little different from manufacturing. In manufacturing, folks are locked down in a building. It's pretty easy to control your workers.

But farming is outdoors and, nowadays, super mechanized.  

That means to get anything done, you have to be able to give someone tools or a tractor and have a reasonable expectation that they'll use them for work. Instead of, say, murdering the foreman and running off.

You also need people with farm work experience. Farm work is an art. You just don't get productive labor out of stoners.

I say this as someone who's personally supervised convict farm crews made of people in for minor drug charges. It's... just a mess all around.

So say you're a private prisoner contractor who's looking at farm labor deals. To keep those clients happy, you need a steady stream of nonviolent criminals who are also have farm work experience.

Talkin out the side of my mouth here, but if I were them, I'd see crackdowns on migrant laborers as a fantastic business move. I might even press my congressmen to write & sponsor bills like this one.

https://judiciary.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Securing-Americas-Future-Act.pdf

Immigrants don't even have to commit crimes to become part of my workforce, I mean go to jail. Just be poor. Or not have their green card in their pocket during a traffic stop.

https://t.co/Jv9KC3vdoq?amp=1

Anyway, that's my best guess as to why the GOP can't get itself together to support a bill that most Americans want. There are a lot of primary voters, and a lot of donors, who have a vested interest in criminalizing immigrants. 

https://t.co/LvHUe1GLVe?amp=1

To connect this back to Japanese internment. Internment was pushed through by a small farm lobby that wanted the land under Japanese American family farms, sure. But they couldn't have pulled it off w/o the rest of the country's xenophobia.

Today we have private prisons whose business models look like they just kinda might depend on everyone being ok with jailing immigrants for being immigrants. 

And there's enough butthurt white people with "economic anxiety" to make that happen. Maybe.

It's really encouraging how many people support #DACA. We still have the same ugly dynamics that brought Japanese internment to life. But we also have a lot of people today who know better. 

Keep those calls to your reps coming, folks.




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Posted: Jan 25, 2018 - 5:18am

good going guys! (there's a video of them pouring water out floating around too)

wtf is wrong with these people? (i can't say government officials out of fear it will offend the politically faithful)

NINE HUMANITARIAN ACTIVISTS FACE FEDERAL CHARGES AFTER LEAVING WATER FOR MIGRANTS IN THE ARIZONA DESERT

A FAITH-BASED HUMANITARIAN GROUP that provides aid and shelter to undocumented migrants on the southwestern border fears it has become the latest target in the Trump administration’s crackdown on immigration advocates. Nine members of the group, No More Deaths, were charged with federal crimes and misdemeanors in recent months, including one volunteer arrested last week shortly after the publication of a report documenting alleged abuses by the U.S. Border Patrol.

Last week, the Tucson, Arizona-based organization published a reportpresenting what it described as evidence of Border Patrol agents’ systematic destruction of water jugs left for migrants in the desert, as well as “months of increasing surveillance and harassment” by the agency beginning last year. Hours after the report was published, one of the group’s organizers was arrested in a remote area of Arizona, along with two undocumented immigrants, and hit with felony charges.

According to a complaint filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Arizona, Border Patrol agents conducting surveillance in the town of Ajo observed Scott Warren, 35, and two undocumented immigrants entering a building — referred to as “the Barn” — on January 17, 2018, the same day the humanitarian group’s report was published. The migrants reportedly learned of the Barn’s address, and the sanctuary it was said to provide, through online research.

“Warren met them outside and gave them food and water for approximately three days,” the complaint states, accusing the activist and Arizona State University instructor of also providing the migrants with “beds and clean clothes.”




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Posted: Jan 16, 2018 - 7:25am

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Corollary: We don't get a lot of immigrants from Norway because they have the 4th highest per capita income in the world. They use this great resource to fund public health and public education, so their citizens are wealthy, smart and healthy, why would they want to leave?

 
...and move to this shithole country. I know, right?
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Posted: Jan 16, 2018 - 7:25am

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two words: climate justice {#Lol}
seriously, the weather?  {#Sunny}

 
Much like Seattle, they have glorious summers. And winter is a great time to travel and see other places (can't see anything at home - too dark).


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Posted: Jan 16, 2018 - 7:23am

 islander wrote:

Corollary: We don't get a lot of immigrants from Norway because they have the 4th highest per capita income in the world. They use this great resource to fund public health and public education, so their citizens are wealthy, smart and healthy, why would they want to leave?

 
two words: climate justice {#Lol}
seriously, the weather?  {#Sunny}
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Posted: Jan 16, 2018 - 7:19am

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i haven't posted anything against the grain lately, so here goes...

Of Course Most Immigrants Come from Shithole Countries. So What?

The whole point of America is that it doesn't matter where you come from. It matters what you do when you're here.



and for your entertainment this one has a picture

Shitholers of the World Are Making America Great

It was true when the Pilgrims came, it's true now, and it'll be true forever.





 
Corollary: We don't get a lot of immigrants from Norway because they have the 4th highest per capita income in the world. They use this great resource to fund public health and public education, so their citizens are wealthy, smart and healthy, why would they want to leave?
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Posted: Jan 16, 2018 - 5:18am

i haven't posted anything against the grain lately, so here goes...

Of Course Most Immigrants Come from Shithole Countries. So What?

The whole point of America is that it doesn't matter where you come from. It matters what you do when you're here.



and for your entertainment this one has a picture

Shitholers of the World Are Making America Great

It was true when the Pilgrims came, it's true now, and it'll be true forever.




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Posted: Jan 16, 2018 - 5:03am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 Proclivities wrote:
 Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.

Get with the times. Argument is now accusing the speaker of exercising privilege and attacking his/her right to have an opinion based on gender, sexuality, or ethnicity.

 

that's because the rejection of logic is en vogue these days

want to get a ton of likes or followers?

just base your conclusions on something non-rational and you're a star!

you've got the beginnings of a great list there

i'd suggest adding a few things like emotion, instinct, intuition and divine political revelation


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Posted: Nov 15, 2017 - 9:25am

Cards Against Humanity buys piece of the U.S. border so Trump can't build his wall

"Donald Trump is a preposterous golem who is afraid of Mexicans. He is so afraid that he wants to build a $20 billion wall that everyone knows will accomplish nothing," the website reads. "So we’ve purchased a plot of vacant land on the border and retained a law firm specializing in eminent domain to make it as time-consuming and expensive as possible for the wall to get built."
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Posted: Sep 13, 2017 - 1:44pm



His mama crossed the border to give him a better life.
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Posted: Sep 8, 2017 - 8:22am

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The hell you say!
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Posted: Sep 8, 2017 - 8:09am

Anti Immigrant Fox News Contributor Is Descended from Illegal Immigrant Ancestor
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Posted: Sep 5, 2017 - 8:56am

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