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Posted: Apr 25, 2018 - 9:45am

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honest question: what was/is the plan (besides his use of twitter to instigate?)

 
honest answer: I don't know.  He's made it plain that he will not telegraph exactly what he intends to do or how on matters.  He has however stated his goals.  I trust that he is working on achieving those goals.  So far, so good.  WW III has not started as has been the warning of his detractors. 

We are seeing things happen that have never happened before, things thought to never have been possible.  China is actually cooperating and NK is responding positively.  Have to see how it plays out.
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Posted: Apr 24, 2018 - 6:20am

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I find all this new found cautious optimism regarding Trump's efforts regarding NK amusing and self serving.  With all of the shit I've taken over Trump, this new found charity in the form of thinking that maybe Trump may actually have a plan that is working instead of he is unfit to have his fingers on the button just does not come off as sincere.

Let's be honest.  I know what all of you are really thinking.  This isn't about world peace.  Its really about Trump wanting to open up new resort hotels and golf courses.  He figures that he can buy his way in and give Kim a piece of the action in exchange for peace and exclusive rights to develop NK.  All those deserted beaches waiting for high rise towers and casinos.  And think of all the cheap slave labor available to build and staff the properties.

That's what y'all are really thinking, right ?

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honest question: what was/is the plan (besides his use of twitter to instigate?)
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Posted: Apr 23, 2018 - 11:23pm

US and North Korea expectations over denuclearization appear to collide
Signs that the US and North Korea interpretations are worlds apart as Kim Jong-un pledges to keep his country’s arsenal for generations
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Posted: Apr 23, 2018 - 7:43pm

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I find all this new found cautious optimism regarding Trump's efforts regarding NK amusing and self serving.  With all of the shit I've taken over Trump, this new found charity in the form of thinking that maybe Trump may actually have a plan that is working instead of he is unfit to have his fingers on the button just does not come off as sincere.

Let's be honest.  I know what all of you are really thinking.  This isn't about world peace.  Its really about Trump wanting to open up new resort hotels and golf courses.  He figures that he can buy his way in and give Kim a piece of the action in exchange for peace and exclusive rights to develop NK.  All those deserted beaches waiting for high rise towers and casinos.  And think of all the cheap slave labor available to build and staff the properties.

That's what y'all are really thinking, right ?

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Valid.
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Posted: Apr 23, 2018 - 7:42pm

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I don't know what you're smoking, but I want some...

 
Be careful with that.  You'll move to a blast radius.  I'm pretty certain.
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Posted: Apr 23, 2018 - 6:58pm

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Let's be honest.  I know what all of you are really thinking.  This isn't about world peace.  Its really about Trump wanting to open up new resort hotels and golf courses.  He figures that he can buy his way in and give Kim a piece of the action in exchange for peace and exclusive rights to develop NK.  All those deserted beaches waiting for high rise towers and casinos.  And think of all the cheap slave labor available to build and staff the properties.
 
I don't know what you're smoking, but I want some...
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Posted: Apr 23, 2018 - 6:51pm

I find all this new found cautious optimism regarding Trump's efforts regarding NK amusing and self serving.  With all of the shit I've taken over Trump, this new found charity in the form of thinking that maybe Trump may actually have a plan that is working instead of he is unfit to have his fingers on the button just does not come off as sincere.

Let's be honest.  I know what all of you are really thinking.  This isn't about world peace.  Its really about Trump wanting to open up new resort hotels and golf courses.  He figures that he can buy his way in and give Kim a piece of the action in exchange for peace and exclusive rights to develop NK.  All those deserted beaches waiting for high rise towers and casinos.  And think of all the cheap slave labor available to build and staff the properties.

That's what y'all are really thinking, right ?

.



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Posted: Apr 23, 2018 - 5:56pm

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I think Obama screwed up with N Korea. He had a chance to ratchet down the tension with the change in leadership but reacted to N Korean rhetoric and actions that to my mind were far more about their internal politics than external. 

And I think he should have said what Trump is saying, more or less, "We will talk to anybody." But I also think Trump lacks credibility to build peace. Hope I'm wrong about that.

 
Trump has gone into "I know you are but what am I" mode with this guy.

If all of that crap is truly coming from an equal state of IQ and ego, we're probably screwed.  But if it isn't, it's brilliant.  Think about it.

I have absolutely no idea what's going to happen.  I'm just glad that I'm inside a blast radius.


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Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 8:15pm

I think Obama screwed up with N Korea. He had a chance to ratchet down the tension with the change in leadership but reacted to N Korean rhetoric and actions that to my mind were far more about their internal politics than external. 

And I think he should have said what Trump is saying, more or less, "We will talk to anybody." But I also think Trump lacks credibility to build peace. Hope I'm wrong about that.
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Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 4:10pm

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Seems a little early to assign credit for this uuuge breakthru. After all we've been here—right here—before. And North Korea has played smarter people than Donald Trump before.

 
{#Yes} See also hereApparently NK's promise may be rather meaningless, like agreeing to give up something you no longer possess. 




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Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 2:08pm

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 R_P wrote:

What are the carrots the US is offering to China? I don't see any. I see mostly s(h)ticks. Business as usual. China can likely accommodate an aggressive neighbour as well as a compliant one. In the latter, it's one less problem to worry about. Let's just say they're not exactly stupid, and are aware of US policy.

NK's precondition to denuclearization is the removal of US troops from SK. Like that's going to happen...

 
Yep. We should bring everyone home. However, none of our previous administrations got anywhere so what makes them any different?
 
Not gonna happen. What makes them any different? Who's them? And different about what?

PS: Apparently NK is willing to drop the precondition.
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Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 1:50pm

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What are the carrots the US is offering to China? I don't see any. I see mostly s(h)ticks. Business as usual. China can likely accommodate an aggressive neighbour as well as a compliant one. In the latter, it's one less problem to worry about. Let's just say they're not exactly stupid, and are aware of US policy.

NK's precondition to denuclearization is the removal of US troops from SK. Like that's going to happen...

 




Yep. We should bring everyone home. However, none of our previous administrations got anywhere so what makes them any different?
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Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 1:37pm

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China has its own agenda and national interest.
 
Lol, ya think? But every country does, there are no true allies and it is naïve and quite possibly dangerous to think so.
 
What are the carrots the US is offering to China? I don't see any. I see mostly s(h)ticks. Business as usual. China can likely accommodate an aggressive neighbour as well as a compliant one. In the latter, it's one less problem to worry about. Let's just say they're not exactly stupid, and are aware of US policy.

NK's precondition to denuclearization is the removal of US troops from SK. Like that's going to happen...
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Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 1:24pm

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China has its own agenda and national interest.

 




Lol, ya think? But every country does, there are no true allies and it is naïve and quite possibly dangerous to think so.
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Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 1:08pm

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The biggest trade partner with NK is the one with the most influence. Any change of attitude is likely driven by them, not Orange Machismo.

 
Aye, but what prompted the change from China. I am not assigning credit or blame here, I just wonder what prompted the change in behavior because up until now China has been passive aggressively belligerent in any assistance with North Korea.
 
China has its own agenda and national interest.
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Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 1:03pm

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The biggest trade partner with NK is the one with the most influence. Any change of attitude is likely driven by them, not Orange Machismo.

 





Aye, but what prompted the change from China. I am not assigning credit or blame here, I just wonder what prompted the change in behavior because up until now China has been passive aggressively belligerent in any assistance with North Korea.


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Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 12:58pm

The biggest trade partner with NK is the one with the most influence. Any change of attitude is likely driven by them, not Orange Machismo.
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Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 10:13am

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I am honestly not sure what you think you read that prompted this reply. 

 
I just found it interesting that you seemed to think that I was praising Trump for positive and thoughtful action rather than just pointing out that Jung Un seems to respond better to a more Neanderthal approach and unlikely long sought for progress might end up being the result heaven forbid.
 
No, I was generally agreeing with you in that it's possible he could be feeling the elephant on his way toward something you and I would consider a positive.  I'm with Lazy, tho, too, so I'm just watching.
 


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Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 10:05am

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I am honestly not sure what you think you read that prompted this reply. 

 








I just found it interesting that you seemed to think that I was praising Trump for positive and thoughtful action rather than just pointing out that Jung Un seems to respond better to a more Neanderthal approach and unlikely long sought for progress might end up being the result heaven forbid.


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Posted: Apr 21, 2018 - 9:58am

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I'm pretty sure that 2 or 3 years ago, some of us were wishing for a president who would break with the conventional wisdom, say to NK, "we honestly DGAF what sort of government you inflict on yourselves. These 2 or 3 things are off limits (war on SK, Japan, general mayhem) but otherwise, have at it. Oh by the way, we'd love to sell you all some food and cars."
 
If that's what our boy is intending to do, fine. Just show them the respect they're due, and Kim as leader of a nation capable of sciencing some scary shit. Calling him Little Rocket Man doesn't seem like part of the game plan, but whatever.

 


My boy, interesting. Looking to find somewhere my comments would indicate that I was a supporter of Trump or that Trump purposely did anything that displayed any intelligence, forethought or competency. You will not find any comments like that from me nor did I vote for him nor have I ever said anything that would compliment him in the slightest as a human being, I think I have been quite clear in this dissemination, but he's my boy.....interesting.

 
I am honestly not sure what you think you read that prompted this reply. 
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