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Posted: Jul 21, 2018 - 2:00pm

 No i am not new. just thought i would check out the Trump comments, pretty much everything I expected to see, typical (as usual).  And no, I wont be going back Trump forum again. just going to listen to music and support Radio Paradise. I enjoy being my conservative self. 


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Posted: Jul 21, 2018 - 12:55pm

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Posted: Jul 21, 2018 - 12:49pm

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this is about music,not politics. come on give it a break
 
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Posted: Jul 21, 2018 - 12:37pm

this is about music,not politics. come on give it a break


100% agree. If he’s saying crazy sh*t to the public about the summit then just imagine the crazier sh*t an untethered Trump talked about with Putin in private.
 

 


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Posted: Jul 21, 2018 - 10:30am

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In normal times, this is correct (both of you). But since there's a thick cloud of suspicion around these two, they might have considered having their only meetings in public and leave the back room stuff to underlings.

 
100% agree. If he’s saying crazy sh*t to the public about the summit then just imagine the crazier sh*t an untethered Trump talked about with Putin in private.
 
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Posted: Jul 20, 2018 - 3:19pm

This is a pretty well constructed argument about what is happening in the Western world right now. It's not just Trump. Sad to say I think we are too far gone to avoid some major pain.
 

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Posted: Jul 20, 2018 - 2:08pm


As explosive new Russia revelations hit Trump, Republicans throw him a lifeline

The Times reports that in January 2017, two weeks before his inauguration, senior intelligence officials privately presented Trump with extensive evidence that Vladimir Putin had personally ordered the campaign of cyber-subterfuge and information warfare that worked to tilt the 2016 election to Trump. If true, as many were quick to point out, then all of Trump’s subsequent dismissals of the Russian sabotage effort amounted to a much more active coverup on behalf of Putin than we knew.

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The Republican approach has been to set the threshold for an acceptable Trump response at the point of acknowledgment that the Russian interference effort did take place. In this arrangement, as long as Trump takes that minimal step, there is no need to talk much about why Russia interfered (to elect Trump), or about the fact that the Trump campaign eagerly sought to benefit from that Russian interference, or about why Trump lied to cover that up. There is no need for Republicans to play a more active role in trying to ensure that the fuller truth comes out (by passing a bill protecting the Mueller probe) or in trying to get to that fuller truth themselves (by forcing transparency on Trump’s tax returns, to learn whether he is beholden to Russians in some way).

In this arrangement, as long as Trump is admitting that Russia did interfere, and publicly pretending to take that seriously, House GOP leaders can also continue to lend tacit support to Trump loyalists in the House who are working to delegitimize Mueller’s efforts to flesh out the bigger story. You saw this double game afoot in House Speaker Paul Ryan’s response to Trump’s news conference with Putin. Ryan urged Trump to accept the intel community’s findings, while trying to create the impression that House Republicans are on the same page with the intelligence services on what really happened (which is complicated by the fact that the House Intelligence Committee probe did not even acknowledge that Russia interfered to help Trump).

In so doing, Ryan was simply trying to nudge Trump on to the safe ground for all of them, the place where everyone agrees Russia interfered, and everyone agrees that attacking intelligence professionals is bad (while winking at ongoing efforts to undermine them), without asking any of the follow-up questions that all of this raises. In effect, this is the escape hatch Republicans have offered him.


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But the question now is a lot harder: Why did Trump continue actively trying to deceive America into believing that Russian sabotage didn’t happen at all, after having been comprehensively briefed to a previously unknown extent on Putin’s direct involvement in that sabotage effort?


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Posted: Jul 20, 2018 - 1:57pm

From the Start, Trump Has Muddied a Clear Message: Putin Interfered

WASHINGTON — Two weeks before his inauguration, Donald J. Trump was shown highly classified intelligence indicating that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had personally ordered complex cyberattacks to sway the 2016 American election.

The evidence included texts and emails from Russian military officers and information gleaned from a top-secret source close to Mr. Putin, who had described to the C.I.A. how the Kremlin decided to execute its campaign of hacking and disinformation.

Mr. Trump sounded grudgingly convinced, according to several people who attended the intelligence briefing. But ever since, Mr. Trump has tried to cloud the very clear findings that he received on Jan. 6, 2017, which his own intelligence leaders have unanimously endorsed.


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In the run-up to this week’s ducking and weaving, Mr. Trump has done all he can to suggest other possible explanations for the hacks into the American political system. His fear, according to one of his closest aides who spoke on the condition of anonymity, is that any admission of even an unsuccessful Russian attempt to influence the 2016 vote raises questions about the legitimacy of his presidency.


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According to nearly a dozen people who either attended the meeting with the president-elect or were later briefed on it, the four primary intelligence officials described the streams of intelligence that convinced them of Mr. Putin’s role in the election interference.

They included stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee that had been seen in Russian military intelligence networks by the British, Dutch and American intelligence services. Officers of the Russian intelligence agency formerly known as the G.R.U. had plotted with groups like WikiLeaks on how to release the email stash.

And ultimately, several human sources had confirmed Mr. Putin’s own role.

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Mr. Trump and his aides were also given other reasons during the briefing to believe that Russia was behind the D.N.C. hacks.

The same Russian groups had been involved in cyberattacks on the State Department and White House unclassified email systems in 2014 and 2015, and in an attack on the Joint Chiefs of Staff. They had aggressively fought the N.S.A. against being ejected from the White House system, engaging in what the deputy director of the agency later called “hand-to-hand combat” to dig in.

The pattern of the D.N.C. hacks, and the theft of emails from John D. Podesta, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, fit the same pattern.


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Posted: Jul 20, 2018 - 11:04am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

In normal times, this is correct (both of you). But since there's a thick cloud of suspicion around these two, they might have considered having their only meetings in public and leave the back room stuff to underlings.

 
In Donnie's case, you're assuming presence of mind and careful consideration where none exists.
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Posted: Jul 20, 2018 - 11:01am

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Absolutely.  That's what I expect world leaders to do.  I have never seen it raised as an issue before.

 


Gotta agree with you here. When Obama was overheard with the infamous flexibility off record conversation with Putin, I thought this was a good thing and made me feel at least a little better regarding our relationship with Russia. It showed Obama cared more about our countries relationships and not just the political perception. Our leaders need to cooperate in spite of our at times idiot constituencies and if it is not politically expedient to do so publicly, then meet in a dark bar in Budapest and get something done. I am a big fan of back channels, that is how things get done.

 
In normal times, this is correct (both of you). But since there's a thick cloud of suspicion around these two, they might have considered having their only meetings in public and leave the back room stuff to underlings.
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Posted: Jul 20, 2018 - 10:18am

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That ought to get him disbarred.
 
I believe it's legal in NY State for attorneys to record conversations with clients, witnesses, or other people in their office, with or without their knowledge.  Releasing those recordings is obviously another matter.
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Posted: Jul 20, 2018 - 10:14am

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Absolutely.  That's what I expect world leaders to do.  I have never seen it raised as an issue before.

 
Gotta agree with you here. When Obama was overheard with the infamous flexibility off record conversation with Putin, I thought this was a good thing and made me feel at least a little better regarding our relationship with Russia. It showed Obama cared more about our countries relationships and not just the political perception. Our leaders need to cooperate in spite of our at times idiot constituencies and if it is not politically expedient to do so publicly, then meet in a dark bar in Budapest and get something done. I am a big fan of back channels, that is how things get done.


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Posted: Jul 20, 2018 - 10:10am

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That ought to get him disbarred.


 
I would certainly think so if not, the whole profession will be under question.


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Posted: Jul 20, 2018 - 10:00am

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That ought to get him disbarred.

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Posted: Jul 20, 2018 - 9:58am

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If Obama had met privately with Putin would you be cool with that?

 
Absolutely.  That's what I expect world leaders to do.  I have never seen it raised as an issue before.
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Posted: Jul 20, 2018 - 9:45am

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Posted: Jul 20, 2018 - 9:22am

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Posted: Jul 20, 2018 - 7:23am

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Just break out the firing squad already.  Former CIA director Brennan, who for some strange reason still has his top secret security clearance (and works for NBC), as does Clapper, has deemed Trump guilty of Treason.  A capital offense, right ?  I can post videos of Brennan if you don't believe me.   Just ask ...  I've seen treason mentioned in this thread so many times  it makes me dizzy(er)

So to hell with impeachment.  Impeachment is for pussies.  We all know Trump has committed treason right in front of our very eyes and we have Brennan confirming it.  What more proof do we need ?

I bet we see a national lottery for being on the firing squad.  We also know we need to use silver bullets, right ?

But we better act quickly, because with all this talk about treason an all, jeez I've even heard Pearl Harbour and Kristallnacht, too,  someone who is willing to do it for free might beat y'all to it.

Treason, treason, treason !!!

 
Exaggerating the "punishment" for Trump does not excuse his actions; that is a textbook example of propping up a straw man.  I don't recall any public official or news personality calling for Trump's execution, but you don't really think that if you can bring it up that it will muddy the waters enough so that people may accept or forget the out-of-control circus fire that's been going on since Monday (the flames were in tents), do you?  By the strict definition of "treason", I don't believe Trump's actions fit it, but for "consultants" or other TV personalities they can throw it out there all the time, recklessly or not.  Lord knows that word was hyperbolically used hundreds of times by right-wing pundits in reference to Obama and both Clintons, but that didn't seem to bother you.  As to "security clearance" - apparently it can be kept valid for two years after leaving Federal service.

The Department of State will revalidate a security clearance if (1) the individual has not been out of federal service for more than 2 years and (2) if the individual's clearance is based on an appropriate and current personnel security clearance investigation.

 Both Brennan and Clapper (neither of whom I give very much credence to) left Federal service in 2017, so I guess they could still have the clearance, but whether or not they do is irrelevant to what's going on and is almost as much of a red herring as your execution scenario.
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