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Posted: May 22, 2018 - 7:12pm

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This is valuable data and not surprising.  Too many gun owners are focused on their gun rights and careless about their gun responsibilities. {#Arrowl} YES, this!!! I couldn't agree more. This will require a culture change and legislation to back it. 

 

It's not only a matter of allowing guns to be quickly (rashly, I think) used to kill or commit suicide. I suspect that there's also a matter of people using guns to settle grudges or scores due to a matter of honor, a business deal (legal or not) gone bad, or a question of turf. 

My guess (just that) is people often use guns on others when they don't have faith that the police or courts will help settle the dispute in a fair and just manner. Or that someone's manhood or honor is at stake, and that the social network pushes individuals to take matters into their own hands. 

That kind of attitude apparently is prevalent in rural areas of Albania, where there are strict rules about honor, vengeance and controlled retribution. Families and towns go back and forth for years, killing over a matter of honor and then killing again to get payback for a previous murder. 

I don't know if Albania will ever stop that cycle of nonsense (although the Russians clamped down viciously on it when the country was behind the Iron Curtain) but you'd think Americans would find ways to build grassroots means of arbitration and dispute resolution. 
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Posted: May 22, 2018 - 3:32pm

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Posted: May 21, 2018 - 8:57am

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I think it'll take a long time. Gun-violence incidents are a manifestation of longstanding and embedded problems in the US. My own bias is that too many gun owners are focused on their gun rights and careless about their gun responsibilities. How did Dimitrios Pagourtzis get ahold of a .38 and shotgun from his dad's ownership? 

This Guardian article adds some clarifying details to the aggregate numbers on guns and gun violence. Gun ownership and gun violence are not uniformly spread across the US. Gun violence most often seems to take place in poorer neighborhoods and amongst restricted social networks. 

According to the piece: 
1. About 3% of Americans own half the guns in America (total number of firearms estimated at 265 million). There are about 7.7 million of these "super-owners", classified as people who own 8-140 guns (the average number is 17). That big number of super-owners can make it harder to flag people buying guns with an intent to commit mass violence. 

2.

There are also stark racial, economic and geographic disparities in the toll of America’s gun violence epidemic. Experts say violence is a kind of regressive tax, falling most heavily on the country’s poorest neighborhoods and most vulnerable people.

More than 25% of America’s gun homicides in 2015 happened across census blocks that contain just 1.5% of the country’s total population.

More than half of America’s gun homicides were clustered in just 127 cities and towns, which together have less than a quarter of the nation’s population.

3. 

Researchers have found that America’s gun violence is concentrated not just geographically, but also within social networks.

Some researchers suggest that the risk of violent victimisation may spread from person to person like a virus, meaning that particular networks of people, not whole neighborhoods or racial or other demographic groups, are most at risk.


In Oakland, California, analysts found that networks of just 1,000 to 1,200 high-risk people, about 0.3% of Oakland’s population, were involved in about 60% of the city’s murders.

In New Orleans, just 600 to 700 people, less than 1% of the city’s population, were involved in more than 50% of fatal incidents.

In Chicago, analysts working with police department data found that, over a six-year period, 70% of non-fatal shootings and 46% of gun homicides happened within a sprawling social network that included just 6% of Chicago’s total population.




 
This is valuable data and not surprising.  Too many gun owners are focused on their gun rights and careless about their gun responsibilities. {#Arrowl} YES, this!!! I couldn't agree more. This will require a culture change and legislation to back it. 
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Posted: May 20, 2018 - 5:32pm

Oliver North Blames School Shootings On Ritalin
Just two days after a young man opened fire on his classmates and teachers at a high school in Santa Fe, Texas, the National Rifle Association’s incoming president, Oliver North, blamed Ritalin and a “culture of violence.” (...)

North, a retired Marine whose role in the Iran-Contra affair in the 1980s made him a household name, appeared in ads for the war-centered video game “Call of Duty: Black Ops II” and has also worked as a consultant for the game.
Maybe the "culture of violence" includes (virtual) warmongering and the glorification of the military...
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Posted: May 20, 2018 - 12:23pm

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That is fascinating.  It is data like this that need to be explored more if we are going to lessen the cycle of violence.

 
I agree, and it will probably take more than gun control to address some of the underlying issues in the at risk groups.

I think it is actually somewhat similar in Australia but the at risk group has been whittled down largely to organized crime. Even there, they tend to use murder sparingly, perhaps because guns are a high-value commodity and you don't want to have to throw them in the river. I don't know, but it is somewhat amusing when the crime syndicates resort to drive-by shootings like some 16 year old gang-banger in the US. It is a problem, especially when it spills over to people outside the group, but that's pretty rare.

The other high risk group in Australia isn't really a network, though. It's rural men and their families. There is an obvious, legitimate need for them to have guns and gun control has had a positive effect in shrinking this group. Talking to people I know, perhaps they went a bit too far. But it is a balance and I don't think the US will ever get to the point that you have enough, much less too much gun control.
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Posted: May 20, 2018 - 6:29am

 kcar wrote:


I think it'll take a long time. Gun-violence incidents are a manifestation of longstanding and embedded problems in the US. My own bias is that too many gun owners are focused on their gun rights and careless about their gun responsibilities. How did Dimitrios Pagourtzis get ahold of a .38 and shotgun from his dad's ownership? 

This Guardian article adds some clarifying details to the aggregate numbers on guns and gun violence. Gun ownership and gun violence are not uniformly spread across the US. Gun violence most often seems to take place in poorer neighborhoods and amongst restricted social networks. 

According to the piece: 
1. About 3% of Americans own half the guns in America (total number of firearms estimated at 265 million). There are about 7.7 million of these "super-owners", classified as people who own 8-140 guns (the average number is 17). That big number of super-owners can make it harder to flag people buying guns with an intent to commit mass violence. 

2.

There are also stark racial, economic and geographic disparities in the toll of America’s gun violence epidemic. Experts say violence is a kind of regressive tax, falling most heavily on the country’s poorest neighborhoods and most vulnerable people.

More than 25% of America’s gun homicides in 2015 happened across census blocks that contain just 1.5% of the country’s total population.

More than half of America’s gun homicides were clustered in just 127 cities and towns, which together have less than a quarter of the nation’s population.

3. 

Researchers have found that America’s gun violence is concentrated not just geographically, but also within social networks.

Some researchers suggest that the risk of violent victimisation may spread from person to person like a virus, meaning that particular networks of people, not whole neighborhoods or racial or other demographic groups, are most at risk.


In Oakland, California, analysts found that networks of just 1,000 to 1,200 high-risk people, about 0.3% of Oakland’s population, were involved in about 60% of the city’s murders.

In New Orleans, just 600 to 700 people, less than 1% of the city’s population, were involved in more than 50% of fatal incidents.

In Chicago, analysts working with police department data found that, over a six-year period, 70% of non-fatal shootings and 46% of gun homicides happened within a sprawling social network that included just 6% of Chicago’s total population.




 
That is fascinating.  It is data like this that need to be explored more if we are going to lessen the cycle of violence.
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Posted: May 18, 2018 - 2:28pm

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When will this madness end? {#Cry}

 

I think it'll take a long time. Gun-violence incidents are a manifestation of longstanding and embedded problems in the US. My own bias is that too many gun owners are focused on their gun rights and careless about their gun responsibilities. How did Dimitrios Pagourtzis get ahold of a .38 and shotgun from his dad's ownership? 

This Guardian article adds some clarifying details to the aggregate numbers on guns and gun violence. Gun ownership and gun violence are not uniformly spread across the US. Gun violence most often seems to take place in poorer neighborhoods and amongst restricted social networks. 

According to the piece: 
1. About 3% of Americans own half the guns in America (total number of firearms estimated at 265 million). There are about 7.7 million of these "super-owners", classified as people who own 8-140 guns (the average number is 17). That big number of super-owners can make it harder to flag people buying guns with an intent to commit mass violence. 

2.

There are also stark racial, economic and geographic disparities in the toll of America’s gun violence epidemic. Experts say violence is a kind of regressive tax, falling most heavily on the country’s poorest neighborhoods and most vulnerable people.

More than 25% of America’s gun homicides in 2015 happened across census blocks that contain just 1.5% of the country’s total population.

More than half of America’s gun homicides were clustered in just 127 cities and towns, which together have less than a quarter of the nation’s population.

3. 

Researchers have found that America’s gun violence is concentrated not just geographically, but also within social networks.

Some researchers suggest that the risk of violent victimisation may spread from person to person like a virus, meaning that particular networks of people, not whole neighborhoods or racial or other demographic groups, are most at risk.


In Oakland, California, analysts found that networks of just 1,000 to 1,200 high-risk people, about 0.3% of Oakland’s population, were involved in about 60% of the city’s murders.

In New Orleans, just 600 to 700 people, less than 1% of the city’s population, were involved in more than 50% of fatal incidents.

In Chicago, analysts working with police department data found that, over a six-year period, 70% of non-fatal shootings and 46% of gun homicides happened within a sprawling social network that included just 6% of Chicago’s total population.



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Posted: May 18, 2018 - 2:20pm

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{#Umbrella}  I'll take it...even a tiny bit of positive news is helpful. Thank you!
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Posted: May 18, 2018 - 1:59pm

A tiny bit of good news...
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Posted: May 18, 2018 - 1:46pm

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Seventeen school shootings in eleven weeks....that's 1.5 shootings per week. Ten innocent lives lost today.

I find it ironic that so many of these NRAers are pro-life.



 
agreed and pro death penalty as well!  WTF????
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Posted: May 18, 2018 - 10:48am

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Never if the NRA has its way.

 
Seventeen school shootings in eleven weeks....that's 1.5 shootings per week. Ten innocent lives lost today.

I find it ironic that so many of these NRAers are pro-life.


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Posted: May 18, 2018 - 9:08am

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When will this madness end? {#Cry}

 
Never if the NRA has its way.
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Posted: May 18, 2018 - 9:06am

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When will this madness end? {#Cry}
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Posted: May 18, 2018 - 7:29am

Today's school shooting...
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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 11:15am

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 Lab-Pit mix, sounds just like our new puppy Gracie. I won't try to teach her firearm safety until she's housebroken...
c.

 




There is no way in Hell that I am trusting Jake with any firearms. I have to hide them from him as it is.
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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 10:51am

 Red_Dragon wrote:  Lab-Pit mix, sounds just like our new puppy Gracie. I won't try to teach her firearm safety until she's housebroken...
c.


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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 9:50am

Iowa Man Shot By His Dog
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Posted: May 9, 2018 - 4:38am

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Oh no, I'm another who didn't know who or what the FRC was until looking up Richard's link.

All's I know is that true sailing is dead along with parenting because only a village can raise a child ...

 
Those friggin' Republicans have no right to raise children.They are wrong and must be stopped from breeding.And if they still choose to do so,their children must be taken by the State to receive a proper education.And lots of play doh and stuffed animals to make them wise and strong.Not to mention the 6th place ribbons to encourage them to not want to bother trying to succeed at anything.There will be government jobs if they play nice and don't act up.The taxes Republicans pay will support this.Then they can pay off their student loans.

 Seriously though,I've noticed a huge amount of young men and women in the service who are in the service because they are embarrassed and ashamed by their wimpy liberal parents disgusting lack of any morals or values.It's encouraging to see the country getting back on track,despite the efforts of the liberal public school brainwashing.


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Posted: May 8, 2018 - 11:47am

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Oh no, I'm another who didn't know who or what the FRC was until looking up Richard's link.
 
And you've also never heard of the Value Voters Summit. Nor do you know who Stormy Daniels is.
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Posted: May 8, 2018 - 11:12am

Oh no, I'm another who didn't know who or what the FRC was until looking up Richard's link.

All's I know is that true sailing is dead along with parenting because only a village can raise a child ...
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