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Posted:
May 6, 2024 - 4:17am
Steely_D wrote:
Recently visited Portugal and the food really put me off.
1) the big thing is salted & dried, then reconstituted, cod - which isnât even from coastal country Portugal. WTF? But itâs ubiquitous. Bleh.
2) otherwise, youâre eating pork - far too intelligent a creature, so it troubles me, and - worse -
3) octopus - probably much smarter than we realize, but they cut off one of its brains (arms) and serve it.
I suppose it would be easy to say âyes, but factory chickenâ¦â or whatever. But, still, as a cultural touchstone, having those three things being the core of their food is off putting.
/vent
I can't speak much about the food on the mainland but yes traditional Portuguese food is very heavy on the salt. Very big on all sorts of pastries also. Here in the Azores the main exports are fish, wine and Azores cheese etc. So lots of fresh fish. No factory farms here. Cows all over the place eating grass. Chickens are also free de-ranging and eat what they are supposed to eat like bugs. Eggs have orange yolks like they are supposed to. There is a chicken farm just a few minutes walk down the street and get sane day fresh eggs. Milk also comes from a few blocks away. You can find some very healthy food here but lots of temping bad stuff also. Bacon comes in very small quantities as its not processed and won't keep long unless you freeze it. only get many fruits and veggies in season as most is grown right here and not imported. Pretty much anything grows here like crazy even the stuff you don't want. Like weeds and grass. The stores here don't sell family packs of anything. The wine and beer is excellent and cheap.
Recently visited Portugal and the food really put me off.
1) the big thing is salted & dried, then reconstituted, cod - which isnât even from coastal country Portugal. WTF? But itâs ubiquitous. Bleh.
2) otherwise, youâre eating pork - far too intelligent a creature, so it troubles me, and - worse -
3) octopus - probably much smarter than we realize, but they cut off one of its brains (arms) and serve it.
I suppose it would be easy to say âyes, but factory chickenâ¦â or whatever. But, still, as a cultural touchstone, having those three things being the core of their food is off putting.
/vent
Speaking of füd... I remember when there were only like a half a dozen varieties of apples and fuji's were
really expensive. They didn't even have honey crisps then. But all the fruit was sweet as honey suckle pie.
I would pay extra for a fuji because they were so delicious, they tasted like caramel apples. Mm mm mm mm mm!
Nowadays everything tastes like dog vomit. We don't bother buying apples anymore but people keep giving
us bags full and they just go to waste. WHAT CAN A GUY OR GAL DO? Jesbus.
Speaking of füd... I remember when there were only like a half a dozen varieties of apples and fuji's were
really expensive. They didn't even have honey crisps then. But all the fruit was sweet as honey suckle pie.
I would pay extra for a fuji because they were so delicious, they tasted like caramel apples. Mm mm mm mm mm!
Nowadays everything tastes like dog vomit. We don't bother buying apples anymore but people keep giving
us bags full and they just go to waste. WHAT CAN A GUY OR GAL DO? Jesbus.
I havenât tried to read up on it, but I remember seeing recently that someone suggested that horses are probably the best thing to think about eating. I know I saw horsemeat when we were traveling and some of the Asian countries. I really saw a sign that said âno horse meat, no life.â
Aside from the interspecies ethics stuff, horses are notoriously poor grazers. Although they don't produce methane the way cattle do, they will overgraze some parts of the paddock and leave other parts too long. Some of that is that they sensibly don't like to eat where they poop. The other thing is that their digestive systems don't do well on high protein, high nitrogen forage so that growing feed for them is pretty inefficient, although grass hay is probably better environmentally than lucerne/alfalfa. And there is no way they bulk up the way cattle do.
I don't want to know what happens when you have to put a horse down and they send it to the knackery. The process of organising that is pretty traumatic.
Speaking of füd... I remember when there were only like a half a dozen varieties of apples and fuji's were
really expensive. They didn't even have honey crisps then. But all the fruit was sweet as honey suckle pie.
I would pay extra for a fuji because they were so delicious, they tasted like caramel apples. Mm mm mm mm mm!
Nowadays everything tastes like dog vomit. We don't bother buying apples anymore but people keep giving
us bags full and they just go to waste. WHAT CAN A GUY OR GAL DO? Jesbus.
Make applesauce or apple butter
Why does spell-check say one of those has a space and one doesn't?
Speaking of füd... I remember when there were only like a half a dozen varieties of apples and fuji's were
really expensive. They didn't even have honey crisps then. But all the fruit was sweet as honey suckle pie.
I would pay extra for a fuji because they were so delicious, they tasted like caramel apples. Mm mm mm mm mm!
Nowadays everything tastes like dog vomit. We don't bother buying apples anymore but people keep giving
us bags full and they just go to waste. WHAT CAN A GUY OR GAL DO?? Jesbus.
I havenât tried to read up on it, but I remember seeing recently that someone suggested that horses are probably the best thing to think about eating. I know I saw horsemeat when we were traveling and some of the Asian countries. I really saw a sign that said âno horse meat, no life.â
What will you absolutely not eat for moral (not digestive) reasons?
A friend I love wonât touch pork anymore, since he knows that pigs are smart and all that. Iâm trying to follow his lead.
Recently after watching My Octopus Teacher
and listening to the book The Mountain In the Sea (Ray Nayler), I began to refuse to eat octopus. Thereâs something intelligent there thatâs escaping our understanding, and for now theyâre off my list.
That was a great and thought-provoking film. I agree octopus and pigs are the biggest challenges in my omnivore ethics. I mean, I won't eat dogs, horses, or primates but in those cases I am perfectly happy to say that it doesn't have to be totally logical, I'm just not going to do it. Well, actually, I think of it like a food pyramid, people should eat more plants and less meat in general, don't eat pets or non-human primates if possible and hardly ever eat humans.
We tend to think that intelligent animals are similar to us and thus it is not appropriate to eat them. And developing an inter-species relationship with an intelligent creature should put them off limits. But as the film pointed out, octopus aren't very far up the marine food chain. Their intelligence is a good survival mechanism but they still often get eaten. I'm kind of on the fence. Perhaps, swearing off occi but continuing to eat squid??
We're slowly working our way into "blue zone" type foods. A few years ago, we started eating more beans...and they are an amazingly versatile side to keep in the fridge for whenever... added to foods... soups... stand-alone... whenever. I got into the habit of making them a Sunday or two each month... in the morning. It's strange...but I just feel better eating them, knowing I would have grabbed something else if they weren't there.
Any benefits are more than offset with a fair amount of pizza and sandwiches... but it's a start.
All things in moderation... especially moderation.
Imagine my joy when I found that there is bread I could indulge in! I'm working on a solid sourdough pizza crust.
What will you absolutely not eat for moral (not digestive) reasons?
A friend I love wonât touch pork anymore, since he knows that pigs are smart and all that. Iâm trying to follow his lead.
Recently after watching My Octopus Teacher
and listening to the book The Mountain In the Sea (Ray Nayler), I began to refuse to eat octopus. Thereâs something intelligent there thatâs escaping our understanding, and for now theyâre off my list.
I swore off octopus a while back. I just don't feel right about it. I can justify a lot of my other carnivorous urges, but that one bugged me. And it sucks, because they are delicious. Oddly, other animals - even the ones we consider 'smart' and/or self aware don't share the same sense of guilt.
We're slowly working our way into "blue zone" type foods. A few years ago, we started eating more beans...and they are an amazingly versatile side to keep in the fridge for whenever... added to foods... soups... stand-alone... whenever. I got into the habit of making them a Sunday or two each month... in the morning. It's strange...but I just feel better eating them, knowing I would have grabbed something else if they weren't there.
Any benefits are more than offset with a fair amount of pizza and sandwiches... but it's a start.
A can of pintos, slightly mashed, sour cream and some salsa is a fine dinner but the family gets bored.
What will you absolutely not eat for moral (not digestive) reasons?
A friend I love wonât touch pork anymore, since he knows that pigs are smart and all that. Iâm trying to follow his lead.
Recently after watching My Octopus Teacher
and listening to the book The Mountain In the Sea (Ray Nayler), I began to refuse to eat octopus. Thereâs something intelligent there thatâs escaping our understanding, and for now theyâre off my list.
I'm pretty sure the convenience we built into our food supply is killing us.
Absolutely.
We're slowly working our way into "blue zone" type foods. A few years ago, we started eating more beans...and they are an amazingly versatile side to keep in the fridge for whenever... added to foods... soups... stand-alone... whenever. I got into the habit of making them a Sunday or two each month... in the morning. It's strange...but I just feel better eating them, knowing I would have grabbed something else if they weren't there.
Any benefits are more than offset with a fair amount of pizza and sandwiches... but it's a start.
Yeah I just thought I'd try these since they take up a good portion of the bread aisle these days and when will I ever learn that engineered food isn't food? Some people must only go for appearances because the taste and texture of these is what I imagine Star Trek food must be like. Looks like home cookin'. End of review.
I'm pretty sure the convenience we built into our food supply is killing us. When we are down south, it is a little harder - supply is limited. You often have to substitute or change plans. Fresh stuff doesn't last, so you have to go to the fruit/veggie stand every other day. But we find that we snack more and eat less. And seriously - tacos, even with inflation/gentrification you can have 2 tacos and an agua fresca for $5 or so (less if you find the right spots and are good with Spanish and comfortable getting a little curious side eye from the locals). They are a delicious staple in the diet there.
Blue zones stuff has some really interesting takes on gluten/grain/carbohydrates. I've sort of figured out parts of it. When we are down south for the winter month(s), we have access to a lot of fresh stuff. We pay attention to what we eat, but we eat smaller portions (because that's typically what's served). We eat a lot of fried stuff. Lots of tortillas (TACOS!), fresh fish and shrimp all around. Lots of veggies and fruit, and yogurt and natural/fresh honey. We exercise more, but it's mostly walking/swimming and just being active. There is no shortage of sunset cocktails and beers w/ my buddies. I generally lose a few pounds and feel better all around. Some of it is environment and attitude, but when I get back I can immediately feel the effect our food here has on us, and it's not good.
Yeah I just thought I'd try these since they take up a good portion of the bread aisle these days and when will I ever learn that engineered food isn't food? Some people must only go for appearances because the taste and texture of these is what I imagine Star Trek food must be like. Looks like home cookin'. End of review.
Keto English muffins suck the joy out of any room.
Blue zones stuff has some really interesting takes on gluten/grain/carbohydrates. I've sort of figured out parts of it. When we are down south for the winter month(s), we have access to a lot of fresh stuff. We pay attention to what we eat, but we eat smaller portions (because that's typically what's served). We eat a lot of fried stuff. Lots of tortillas (TACOS!), fresh fish and shrimp all around. Lots of veggies and fruit, and yogurt and natural/fresh honey. We exercise more, but it's mostly walking/swimming and just being active. There is no shortage of sunset cocktails and beers w/ my buddies. I generally lose a few pounds and feel better all around. Some of it is environment and attitude, but when I get back I can immediately feel the effect our food here has on us, and it's not good.
Location: No longer in a hovel in effluent Damnville, VA Gender:
Posted:
Mar 25, 2024 - 8:23am
rgio wrote:
My "will eat anything"... brewery working (on weekends).. daughter has been diagnosed with Celiac. Gluton-free is probably better than Keto, but we're dancing on the edges.
And most beer has Gluten so that would really suck... I tried the Keto diet for 4 months and it helped with my glucose and completely cured my eczema It would be hard to stay on it long term though as its to temping to eat something that would take you out of ketosis. I'm doing the Mediterranean diet now. Lots easier to srick with.
