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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 4:35pm

COVID has killed about as many Americans as the 1918-19 flu
COVID-19 has now killed about as many Americans as the 1918-19 Spanish flu pandemic did — approximately 675,000.

The U.S. population a century ago was just one-third of what it is today, meaning the flu cut a much bigger, more lethal swath through the country. But the COVID-19 crisis is by any measure a colossal tragedy in its own right, especially given the incredible advances in scientific knowledge since then and the failure to take maximum advantage of the vaccines available this time.

“Big pockets of American society — and, worse, their leaders — have thrown this away,” medical historian Dr. Howard Markel of the University of Michigan said of the opportunity to vaccinate everyone eligible by now.

Like the Spanish flu, the coronavirus may never entirely disappear from our midst. Instead, scientists hope it becomes a mild seasonal bug as human immunity strengthens through vaccination and repeated infection. That could take time.

“We hope it will be like getting a cold, but there’s no guarantee,” said Emory University biologist Rustom Antia, who suggests an optimistic scenario in which this could happen over a few years. (...)

The Spanish flu’s U.S. death toll is a rough guess, given the incomplete records of the era and the poor scientific understanding of what caused the illness. The 675,000 figure comes from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (...)

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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 3:35pm

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The tangled history of mRNA vaccines
Hundreds of scientists had worked on mRNA vaccines for decades before the coronavirus pandemic brought a breakthrough.
The debate over who deserves credit for pioneering the technology is heating up as awards start rolling out — and the speculation is getting more intense in advance of the Nobel prize announcements next month. But formal prizes restricted to only a few scientists will fail to recognize the many contributors to mRNA’s medical development. In reality, the path to mRNA vaccines drew on the work of hundreds of  researchers over more than 30 years.

The story illuminates the way that many scientific discoveries become life-changing innovations: with decades of dead ends, rejections and battles over potential profits, but also generosity, curiosity and dogged persistence against scepticism and doubt. “It’s a long series of steps,” says Paul Krieg, a developmental biologist at the University of Arizona in Tucson, who made his own contribution in the mid-1980s, “and you never know what’s going to be useful”. (...)

Hoerr was the first to achieve success. While at the University of Tübingen in Germany, he reported in 2000 that direct injections could elicit an immune response in mice12. He created CureVac (also based in Tübingen) that year. But few scientists or investors seemed interested. At one conference where Hoerr presented early mouse data, he says, “there was a Nobel prizewinner standing up in the first row saying, ‘This is completely shit what you’re telling us here — completely shit’.” (Hoerr declined to name the Nobel laureate.)




I need to hurry up and finish this so I can move on to some of the stuff in that article. It'll be fun to try to figure out who the "completely shit" guy was.

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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 12:15pm

The tangled history of mRNA vaccines
Hundreds of scientists had worked on mRNA vaccines for decades before the coronavirus pandemic brought a breakthrough.
The debate over who deserves credit for pioneering the technology is heating up as awards start rolling out — and the speculation is getting more intense in advance of the Nobel prize announcements next month. But formal prizes restricted to only a few scientists will fail to recognize the many contributors to mRNA’s medical development. In reality, the path to mRNA vaccines drew on the work of hundreds of  researchers over more than 30 years.

The story illuminates the way that many scientific discoveries become life-changing innovations: with decades of dead ends, rejections and battles over potential profits, but also generosity, curiosity and dogged persistence against scepticism and doubt. “It’s a long series of steps,” says Paul Krieg, a developmental biologist at the University of Arizona in Tucson, who made his own contribution in the mid-1980s, “and you never know what’s going to be useful”. (...)

Hoerr was the first to achieve success. While at the University of Tübingen in Germany, he reported in 2000 that direct injections could elicit an immune response in mice12. He created CureVac (also based in Tübingen) that year. But few scientists or investors seemed interested. At one conference where Hoerr presented early mouse data, he says, “there was a Nobel prizewinner standing up in the first row saying, ‘This is completely shit what you’re telling us here — completely shit’.” (Hoerr declined to name the Nobel laureate.)


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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 11:56am

2 week shutdown of construction due to violent anti-vaccine protests at the union hall

Interesting to see how the Labor government will navigate this one. Actually, Australia has a long history of clashes between union factions
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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 11:34am

 steeler wrote:

The question I would ask: Would the recent surge in deaths in U.S. have occurred anywhere near these numbers if the percentage of eligible adults in the country who were vaccinated had been, say,  80 percent as of July 1? I think they would not be.


The Australians models say 80 percent vaccination makes a huge difference but it depends a lot on your starting case numbers. Even at 70% our hospitals could be stretched to the limit. The downside to our healthcare system is that they don't build in much surge capacity. So in that way the US is better prepared. The plan here is to start easing restrictions at 70% and pretty much open up except for local response to outbreaks at 80%. We will pass the US in vaccination numbers in the next few weeks, in spite of the government's botched rollout that could have kept us out of the current situation.

Remember when it was shocking near the beginning of the pandemic, even to trump, that they were predicting there might be 50,000 US covid deaths. Such innocent times. 
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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 11:15am

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Question:  If the pandemic runs its course, as some suggest it will or should, will the electoral maps of the USA have to be redrawn? 


That all depends on how many voting laws are enacted.
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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 10:38am

Question:  If the pandemic runs its course, as some suggest it will or should, will the electoral maps of the USA have to be redrawn? 
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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 10:35am

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How many deaths per week will be ok with you?  I'm thinking 2,000 will be alright by me, and I have lost two dentists already.

Zero.

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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 10:15am

The question I would ask: Would the recent surge in deaths in U.S. have occurred anywhere near these numbers if the percentage of eligible adults in the country who were vaccinated had been, say,  80 percent as of July 1? I think they would not be.

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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 9:04am

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You won't have that constant rate. Sorry.


That's the metric used by rhahl a few days ago and it's not going to be constant of course but it works for comparison because it magnifies the difference between somewhat similar daily numbers (for better or worse—easy to misapply, so using the 7-day average is better but hey). And it keeps us talking apples/apples.
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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 7:25am

American Stupidity.  It is a thing.  It is cool 'n groovy.

Careful now, all the neighbours will be jealous.   Canadians will be asking themselves:  How can we cool 'n groovy too?  With some hard work, we managed to acquire our very own drive-by-shootings — something that every advanced nation wants — how about higher ICU bed occupation rates and death rates from COVID?  

Now if only Alberta can spread some of the "personal liberty" love across the nation!  

I see an emerging solution to social housing here.  

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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 7:11am

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That works out at a constant rate to 780,000 dead for the year.

Big improvement over Trump's paltry 540,000 or what ever it was.

Good to see we are getting better at this. 

We will run out of unvaccinated to kill, I mean die, sooner rather than later and this will problem will finally resolve itself.

Kurt,

That's actually one of your most inspirational posts to date.   You compare apples and oranges, you target Biden for "failure" using tainted facts, and then you literally concede that people are dying to prove a point.  Bravo.

The 15,000 per week averages 2,142 per day.  That's roughly the worst single day of deaths under Biden.  Trump's worst day...Jan 12th had 4,406 deaths.  That would project to 1.6M in a year.  Obviously, that didn't happen, nor will the 780k used above, but you really like the idea that you can twist numbers to make a point.  Things are getting better and would be much better if getting a jab wasn't seen as political dissent by so many on the right.

Killing the unvaccinated?  They are martyrs in the fight to protecting freedom, personal rights, and stupidity.   

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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 6:45am

 R_P wrote:
 Cases and hospitalizations are falling, deaths will follow. You won't have that constant rate. Sorry.
 
How many deaths per week will be ok with you?  I'm thinking 2,000 will be alright by me, and I have lost two dentists already.
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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 4:37am



Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine generates robust antibody response in children, without serious safety issues, company says

Pfizer and its partner BioNTech said Monday that they would file for authorization of their Covid-19 vaccine for use in children after clinical trial results showed encouraging antibody levels in volunteers and side effects similar to those in teens and young adults.

The pediatric study, in children ages 5 to 11, is the first to disclose results in young children.

It used a lower dose of the vaccine than the one currently being administered, because earlier studies showed that the adult dose could cause more side effects. Adults receive two 30 microgram doses of the vaccine three weeks apart. In school-aged children, this was lowered to 10 micrograms.






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Posted: Sep 19, 2021 - 2:59pm

I can’t put India on the same graph, because no one in India even keeps track of how many people die in a year.
Maybe no one ever really dies of COVID in India. When they finally "succumb" to COVID, they are simply reincarnated as their former neighbour's new tapeworm or a dung beetle.

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Posted: Sep 19, 2021 - 2:10pm

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because science!




So
much
nitpicking.

Wear a good mask (not a gaiter)
Keep your distance
Get vaccinated
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Posted: Sep 19, 2021 - 1:38pm

Current disinformation highlight:

Allegedly, Ivermectin saved the Indian province of Uttar Pradesh from Covid.

The source is an article from May (!) this year when the local government announced this.

What is the data situation for this claim? Well there aren't any data. This province once screwed up everything they could screw up in the fight against Covid. There is a Wikipedia article on their Covid pumping.

It was the usual thing they screwed up. Too few cases reported, too little vaccine, terrible conditions in the Covid hospitals. So what did the government do in a state of panic? They handed out Ivermectin to make it look like they were doing something, at least.

Did that help? There is no evidence of this. Their Covid cases went down, but not because of Ivermectin but because they imposed a full-blown lockdown, including curfews. These were loosened only now (!), a few days ago!

Does the government think Ivermectin saved them? No. You can see that very well from the fact that they are running a vaccination campaign at full speed. (Attention: They do the math in crore, which is a Hindi word for 10 million. 9 crore is 90 million. The value with the 9 crore was on September 16. On August 20th it was 6 crore.)

But let's forget all the data and facts for a brief moment:

Covidiots, who smell a massive conspiracy behind the government, who want to kill all of us, who don't believe a word that comes from a government employee ... they didn't hesitate for a second to believe, the Ivermectin bull**** of the currently massively failing regional government of an obscure Indian province.
And unlike our government officials, the Indians didn't even pretend there was a proper scientific study. It was just a round of campaign bull**** by the governor, and it was based on the gut feeling of a government that had its back up against the wall and now urgently needed to show that it did not completely slip away... and yet, covidiots keep buying the story thankfully!
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Posted: Sep 19, 2021 - 12:11pm

 kurtster wrote:
That works out at a constant rate to 780,000 dead for the year.

Big improvement over Trump's paltry 540,000 or what ever it was.

Good to see we are getting better at this. 

We will run out of unvaccinated to kill, I mean die, sooner rather than later and this will problem will finally resolve itself.

Trumpers sticking it to The Man! Keep going...

Cases and hospitalizations are falling, deaths will follow. You won't have that constant rate. Sorry.
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Posted: Sep 19, 2021 - 12:06pm

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NakedCapitalism.com does a round-up of Covid news every day, scientific and political. Here is one from today:
 
 
So American isn't it? We'll win the war somehow just by doing more of what's been losing it. That is the real Vietnam Syndrome.

I think we are up to 15,000 deaths per week and rising. 
 
That works out at a constant rate to 780,000 dead for the year.

Big improvement over Trump's paltry 540,000 or what ever it was.

Good to see we are getting better at this. 

We will run out of unvaccinated to kill, I mean die, sooner rather than later and this will problem will finally resolve itself.
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Posted: Sep 19, 2021 - 10:54am

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i've always had trouble with distance, say two meters versus three meters

good thing i wasn't in charge because society could have shut down


I'm with you. We shut have shut EVERYTHING down completely for a month. No bills, no rent, no mortgages, no paychecks. Your license plate ends in 0 or 1, you can drive up to the store on Monday to get your food box after you make your gas stop. 2-3=Tuesday ect.  Workers are 1st in line for vaccines/treatement. Everyone else isolates. We would still have had problems, but this could have been done in March/April/May/June(maybe) of last year and we would have gotten through it and been done by now. 

Trump would probably still be president, maybe even getting a little praise for brave decisive action.  We would be on to his 5th impeachment, this one over his selling MAGA swag from the trunk of the presidential limousine.
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