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Posted: Oct 19, 2021 - 8:22am

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LOL. Don't get bogged down in my sediment. Wait, I mean sentiment!  I can master disaster with but a thought; often misunderstood...
{#Wink}

Wasn't even taking it personal. Love, honey...  
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Posted: Oct 19, 2021 - 8:19am

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 oldviolin wrote:

It means I missed my calling and rather than think for myself I should defer to all things demonstrably toothsome...



At that young age, I was torn und unwissend, as all young men of the age are, I guess. Finally decided to consciencE obJect. 
For me, it was seeing my Grandma, perhaps living with her... the lady who raised me by the sea (where I live now), or follow closer ideals - staying near parents and girlfriend. Makes me an Angsthase, Pfeffernase?

 
LOL. Don't get bogged down in my sediment. Wait, I mean sentiment!  I can master disaster with but a thought; often misunderstood...{#Wink}
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Posted: Oct 19, 2021 - 8:06am

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It means I missed my calling and rather than think for myself I should defer to all things demonstrably toothsome...



At that young age, I was torn und unwissend, as all young men of the age are, I guess. Finally decided to consciencE obJect. 
For me, it was seeing my Grandma, perhaps living with her... the lady who raised me by the sea (where I live now), or follow closer ideals - staying near parents and girlfriend. Makes me an Angsthase, Pfeffernase?

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Posted: Oct 19, 2021 - 7:59am

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oldviolin wrote:
Gosh I should have read Mintpress News for the true scoop. My bad...

What's your suggestion? Not sooo much differing from the MSM, are they?
MintPress News is an ostensibly left-leaning American online news website founded and edited by Mnar Adley (née, Muhawesh) which was launched in January 2012 and employs many Russia Today affiliates. (Wikipedia)
They could be more American in distributing 'sensitive issues'? ...sensitivity and all, remembering the phalanx appearing in the western media back then, to me C.P. appeared much less demonized (i.e. obsessed by demons), as compared to others brightly shining in the limelight, too.

*Cheers* bud.

 
It means I missed my calling and rather than think for myself I should defer to all things demonstrably toothsome...

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Posted: Oct 19, 2021 - 7:42am

oldviolin wrote:
Gosh I should have read Mintpress News for the true scoop. My bad...

What's your suggestion? Not sooo much differing from the MSM, are they?
MintPress News is an ostensibly left-leaning American online news website founded and edited by Mnar Adley (née, Muhawesh) which was launched in January 2012 and employs many Russia Today affiliates. (Wikipedia)
They could be more American in distributing 'sensitive issues'? ...sensitivity and all, remembering the phalanx appearing in the western media back then, to me C.P. appeared much less demonized (i.e. obsessed by demons) than others, brightly shining in the limelight. Rather he seemed being 'played' through the chain of command. Of course, todays' wokes won't even sense the slightest smell of this, due to a lack of sensivity, plus their huge in historical experience, it seems to me.

*Cheers* bud.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2021 - 7:30am

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Gosh I should have read Mintpress News for the true scoop. My bad...
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Posted: Oct 19, 2021 - 6:28am

Colin Powell’s Own Staff Had Warned Him Against His War Lies
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Posted: Oct 19, 2021 - 5:43am

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I don't see how Powell was misled unless he more incompetent than I believe he was. The Department of Energy is the US agency that deals with nuclear non-proliferation and you heard nothing attributed to them in the lead up to the war. I think it is clear they didn't believe Iraq had an active nuclear weapon development program of any consequence and were sidelined. 

No, he didn't cause the war, but he was trusted by even Democrats and he squandered that trust. I expect he knew full well that was going to be the end of his political career. 


Colin Powell will be most remembered for the act he most regretted, his 2003 presentation to the UN security council laying out US evidence of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, which turned out not to exist.


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Posted: Oct 19, 2021 - 2:20am

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Powell was misled about the intelligence but he should have known that his case on WMDs was circumstantial. I can't remember whether Powell supported invading Iraq instead of pressing for inspections. 

However, Powell only contributed to war with Iraq. He did not cause it and wasn't even a primary cause of it. Powell provided a fig leaf of respectability and some hazy rationale to the war. Dick Cheney was far more responsible, ignoring the American intelligence community's assessment that Saddam likely did not have WMD stockpiles or a working alliance with Al Qaeda. Instead, Cheney told lie after lie to push the US into war with Iraq. He was also one of the major promoters of our torturing Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere. 


I don't see how Powell was misled unless he more incompetent than I believe he was. The Department of Energy is the US agency that deals with nuclear non-proliferation and you heard nothing attributed to them in the lead up to the war. I think it is clear they didn't believe Iraq had an active nuclear weapon development program of any consequence and were sidelined. 

No, he didn't cause the war, but he was trusted by even Democrats and he squandered that trust. I expect he knew full well that was going to be the end of his political career. 

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Posted: Oct 18, 2021 - 10:06pm

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We are all very complex animals, and often defined by those acts most at odds with our character.  As you said, he was a soldier at heart, so he followed orders. He did a lot of good things, that that one speech and all that followed (because of the speech and the integrity of the speaker) are on him. It was a mistake, and he owns the bodies on all sides of it.  


Powell was misled about the intelligence but he should have known that his case on WMDs was circumstantial. I can't remember whether Powell supported invading Iraq instead of pressing for inspections. 

However, Powell only contributed to war with Iraq. He did not cause it and wasn't even a primary cause of it. Powell provided a fig leaf of respectability and some hazy rationale to the war. Dick Cheney was far more responsible, ignoring the American intelligence community's assessment that Saddam likely did not have WMD stockpiles or a working alliance with Al Qaeda. Instead, Cheney told lie after lie to push the US into war with Iraq. He was also one of the major promoters of our torturing Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere. 

https://www.theatlantic.com/po...

The disturbing thing is that back in 1994 Cheney said in an interview that invading Iraq after the Gulf War would have been disastrous and would have led to a quagmire. 

https://www.chicagotribune.com...

https://www.salon.com/2014/07/...

Yet after pushing for an invasion based on bad intelligence and leading to disaster for the US, Cheney insisted that invading and controlling Iraq was the right thing to do. 

https://time.com/2919765/dick-...


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Posted: Oct 18, 2021 - 6:23pm

 islander wrote:

We are all very complex animals, and often defined by those acts most at odds with our character.  As you said, he was a soldier at heart, so he followed orders. He did a lot of good things, that that one speech and all that followed (because of the speech and the integrity of the speaker) are on him. It was a mistake, and he owns the bodies on all sides of it.  


Ayup.
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Posted: Oct 18, 2021 - 6:20pm

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It's a shame.  

I truly believe Powell always tried to act with integrity. I think he failed in one supremely important instance and attribute that to him being too military for that moment as Secretary of State. I cannot forget that, even with his death but recognise his greatness in other areas. I guess that's the same as one of my other American heroes, Harry Truman. I sadly accept the bombing of Hiroshima (my father probably would have been part of the Tokyo invasion), but think Nagasaki was unnecessary. No one will ever know.

We are all very complex animals, and often defined by those acts most at odds with our character.  As you said, he was a soldier at heart, so he followed orders. He did a lot of good things, that that one speech and all that followed (because of the speech and the integrity of the speaker) are on him. It was a mistake, and he owns the bodies on all sides of it.  
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Posted: Oct 18, 2021 - 3:57pm

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My personal choice for first Black American POTUS. Way before Obama was ever heard of in the national politic. How ironic him being fully vaccinated. The guy just had integrity; a sorely missed quality going into the future of darker days...
 
Yes he would of had my vote. A classy and honorable human being and a great leader of men. 

To General Powell, one of the few men of history  I would have liked to have met.
 {#Cheers}
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Posted: Oct 18, 2021 - 3:30pm

 oldviolin wrote:

My personal choice for first Black American POTUS. Way before Obama was ever heard of in the national politic. How ironic him being fully vaccinated. The guy just had integrity; a sorely missed quality going into the future of darker days...


It's a shame.  

I truly believe Powell always tried to act with integrity. I think he failed in one supremely important instance and attribute that to him being too military for that moment as Secretary of State. I cannot forget that, even with his death but recognise his greatness in other areas. I guess that's the same as one of my other American heroes, Harry Truman. I sadly accept the bombing of Hiroshima (my father probably would have been part of the Tokyo invasion), but think Nagasaki was unnecessary. No one will ever know.
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Posted: Oct 18, 2021 - 10:38am

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 oldviolin wrote:

My personal choice for first Black American POTUS. Way before Obama was ever heard of in the national politic.  . How ironic him being fully vaccinated. The guy just had integrity; a sorely missed quality going into the future of darker days...

I'm not sure I see the irony?  He has been fighting cancer and had a weakened immune system.  It's a PSA for getting a booster if you're at risk / over 65 / were vaccinated early (April and prior).
 
A life story absolutely full of irony, on several levels, especially with the Covid, including your suggestion of a PSA. Perhaps we have a different understanding of a bigger picture, or the breadth of ironic notions. Not good/bad right/wrong. Just different. Instructively. Creatively. Any way you wish to view it. {#Good-vibes}
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Posted: Oct 18, 2021 - 10:29am

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My personal choice for first Black American POTUS. Way before Obama. How ironic him being fully vaccinated. The guy just had integrity; a sorely missed quality going into the future of darker days...

I'm not sure I see the irony?  He has been fighting cancer and had a weakened immune system.  It's a PSA for getting a booster if you're at risk / over 65 / were vaccinated early (April and prior).

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Posted: Oct 18, 2021 - 10:03am

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 Proclivities wrote:I saw him speak when Hillary was Sec of State, and he was hysterical, really. After his speech, some buddies asked if I was gonna make his second set at the Comedy Club that night. Great line: "General, what do you think of Hillary as Sec of State?"
response: "She's in my plane!" And he told a story about how he was passing through a city (Dallas?) and decided he needed to fly to DC, so he pulled into the airport and paid for his ticket with cash. 
This was pretty soon after 9/11, so that triggered the extra-special TSA check (flight to capital, last minute, no luggage, paid in cash), so they pulled him out of line and were wanding him - knowing exactly who he was - and he remembered thinking "Who made up these stupid rules?!? Oh...it was me."
 
My personal choice for first Black American POTUS. Way before Obama was ever heard of in the national politic. How ironic him being fully vaccinated. The guy just had integrity; a sorely missed quality going into the future of darker days...
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Posted: Oct 18, 2021 - 9:55am

 Proclivities wrote:

I saw him speak when Hillary was Sec of State, and he was hysterical, really. After his speech, some buddies asked if I was gonna make his second set at the Comedy Club that night.

Great line: "General, what do you think of Hillary as Sec of State?"
response: "She's in my plane!"

And he told a story about how he was passing through a city (Dallas?) and decided he needed to fly to DC, so he pulled into the airport and paid for his ticket with cash. 
This was pretty soon after 9/11, so that triggered the extra-special TSA check (flight to capital, last minute, no luggage, paid in cash), so they pulled him out of line and were wanding him - knowing exactly who he was - and he remembered thinking "Who made up these stupid rules?!? Oh...it was me."




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Posted: Oct 18, 2021 - 7:38am

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Definitely one of the more imposing Secretaries of State in our time.   Agree or disagree, Powell was likeable and was even respected by those who disagreed.  

It is unfortunate that an otherwise fine career was blemished by the Iraq 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' lie.  

The invasion of Kuwait to dislodge Iraqi troops was perhaps the best US military intervention of the post-war period.  In.  Do the job (kick out the Iraqis).  Exit.  

I am not sure that the invasion of Panama was absolutely necessary but for whatever reason, the civilians killed during that operation never stuck to the US brand and reputation.

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Posted: Oct 18, 2021 - 5:26am

Colin Powell dead at 84 from COVID-19 complications
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