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Or are they only figments of my eyes?
And I'm feeling close to when the race is run.
Waiting in our boats to set sail.
Sea of joy.
Once the door swings open into space,
And I'm already waiting in disguise.
Is it just a thorn between my eyes?
Waiting in our boats to set sail.
Sea of joy.
Having trouble coming through,
Through this concrete blocks my view
And it's all because of you.
Oh, is it just a thorn between my eyes?
Waiting in our boats to set sail.
Sea of joy.
Sea of joy.
Sea of joy.
Sailing free.
Sea of joy.
Yeah - whatever happened to free concerts? Also saw Pink Floyd in Hyde Park the following year. Great times.
Free concerts? Not in the good olde USA. Everything comes at a price. I paid 30$US to see PF at Soldier Field in 19 77. Course the lines to get into the TuT exhibit at the Field Museum were even longed and more expensive. So we felt superior.
I believe this is the American cover. The cover you're thinking of is the British one. We are a petty, puritanical bunch for sure.
No, I remember seeing that cover in a Philly record store. Too embarrassed to buy it.
Wait a minute...my copy of this album had a different cover. One which, if released today, might be considered, um, exploitative.
Yeah, a little racy even for back then. I remember raising my eyebrows a little at the local record store when I saw it. Still bought it though.
Yeah - whatever happened to free concerts? Also saw Pink Floyd in Hyde Park the following year. Great times.
I have to say, those vocals are squashed so hard with the compressor and limiter I was starting to picture Disembaudio from Rifftrax (MST3K).
Also, you can not hear the kick drum on this album, in spite of the GREAT DRUMMING!
Maybe you had to be there. But saw Stevie Winwood a year ago and he is still terrific. Started young and didn't burn out - incredible!
Yes, he seems to have just gone about his work, with the minimum fuss, for a long time. I saw him in the early 80's - Arc of a Diver tour - and he was captivating, whether standing out the front with an acoustic guitar, or steaming along with the band. Then saw him with Eric Clapton at Wembley Arena (the old Empire pool?) about 10 or more years ago. On both occasions, a consummate professional
Props to Bill for NOT using that ghastly original cover for this album. This was undeniably one of the best albums of the era, but if you want a window into the sick misogyny of rock and roll, you need look no farther than the Wikipedia article on the band...
Ironically, a couple of hours or so earlier we had Bizet's Habanera, from Carmen, with some controversy about the recording's cover art going on, and Billy heavily criticized for his choice. Someone alluded to this album, too....
Get over it.
Saw them in July1969 at the Philly Spectrum. As I recall, the album hadn't been released yet and they were billed as the 'New Cream' . Certainly wasn't very 'creamy', but I think we all got into it and a good time was had.
Hey....where is the original album cover?
I believe this is the American cover. The cover you're thinking of is the British one. We are a petty, puritanical bunch for sure.
I can´t stand Winwoods squeaky voice .... it ruined the whole LP
Wow! I hope you realize you're in a tiny minority. Most people love the reedy quality in his voice.
I have to agree. After all these years I finally think it's grating. It's as if he thinks he's Ian Gillan in Jesus Christ Superstar.
Wow! I hope you realize you're in a tiny minority. Most people love the reedy quality in his voice.
idiot_wind is just messin' witchu.
Don't take the bait!
Saw them in Philly. Billed as the 'New Cream'.
kingart wrote:
Ginger Baker, I read many disparaging comments about him (and Moon, and
Bonham, too) in Variety and elsewhere. "Hack', 'copycat', 'thumper',
etc. But after hearing tracks like this I have to think, 'what in hell
are these people eating that makes them so dyspeptic and half deaf.'?
Because to my ears that's superb drumming.
Actually, it was Ginger Baker himself that was the one making disparaging comments about Moon and Bonham (as well as Mitch Mitchell, Charlie Watts, and Ringo Starr). Can't say that I agree with him but, he was truly one of the greatest Rock drummers and likely the most talented of the aforementioned group. No disparagement intended.
This is Rock and Roll, not Opera. The original artists can do whatever they like. It's their music. Warts and all. It's the overall synergy where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. If you want perfect music, then stay away from R&R.
Just sayin'
The OP is a regular American Idol watcher. "It's too pitchy!"
was going to respond to this, but got distracted thinking about how sarcasm and orgasm both end in, well, asm.
this tune sounds very much like it belongs on WHEELS OF FIRE except for the strings part
was going to respond to this, but got distracted thinking about how sarcasm and orgasm both end in, well, asm.
Listen to the Ginger Baker Trio (2 albums) if you want to hear really interesting and eclectic jazz/jamming. He was accompanied by Charlie Haden, easily one of the most melodious and inventive acoustic bass players of recent time as well as Bill Frisell. It is puzzling that Ginger Baker is so readily dissed, when he was an innovative and accomplished percussionist, even if also being a rather cantankerous and probably rather unpleasant person (at least that is his reputation). I say go with your instincts on this issue.
Keith Moon and Jaco Pastorius were choirboys? But yeah I agree, he might not have been a nice person, but his body of work puts him in the top ten all-time.
Some of the best musicians/performers have also been rather, uh, 'difficult'*.
*I'm bucking for Understatement of the Year, how am I doing?
c.
Listen to the Ginger Baker Trio (2 albums) if you want to hear really interesting and eclectic jazz/jamming. He was accompanied by Charlie Haden, easily one of the most melodious and inventive acoustic bass players of recent time as well as Bill Frisell. It is puzzling that Ginger Baker is so readily dissed, when he was an innovative and accomplished percussionist, even if also being a rather cantankerous and probably rather unpleasant person (at least that is his reputation). I say go with your instincts on this issue.
Music to my ears
Heavenly
the violins and drums are the only thing that save this song for me to be... acceptable.
I guess.
ouch ... Steve.
But this song is played a lot. And Stevie Winwood must have been doing a lot of coke during this recording. Really grating singing. Not his best work.
I sorta agree about the singing. He really strains to hit that high note and after a few times it becomes grating on my ears. This is a great group though, hands down.
But this song is played a lot. And Stevie Winwood must have been doing a lot of coke during this recording. Really grating singing. Not his best work.
Let's listen to today's rock bands...they are so much better.
was going to respond to this, but got distracted thinking about how sarcasm and orgasm both end in, well, asm.
This is a nine for me only because if I gave it ten how would I score Do What You Like...?
idiot_wind is just messin' witchu.
That's what he/she do. It used to catch me off guard, now I look forward to it.
This is Rock and Roll, not Opera. The original artists can do whatever they like. It's their music. Warts and all. It's the overall synergy where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. If you want perfect music, then stay away from R&R.
Just sayin'
idiot_wind is just messin' witchu.
Don't forget to add Ric Grech to the lineup.
Recorded on what and by who?
Solid 8 from this ol' dog
Merry Xmas you filthy animals
EDIT It's now up to 10. Gotta give it that
This is but one of the many reasons you don't get to pick the music for RP. Thankfully.
You talk real good, and I like it.
I'm not sure Phil Collins is fit to lace Winwood's drinks and certainly not fit to tune Baker's drums...
lizardking wrote:
I helped...7→8!
With drumming of that magnitude, I almost don't care.
I helped...7→8!
It used to be higher. Was a 2, now a 1.
Hey Sunflowerbee, the sun is shining here in the 'other' Hillsborough too and I am remembering this Blind Faith album from my teenage years.
Me too, although it was some years later, in 1976. I didn't hear this for years, maybe decades. I still remember the cover, the other one actually. I didn't know there was a controversy, just read it in Wikipedia.
(I am reading the comment below after having posted this - very sorry for the redundance)
Very interesting concept.
Here are the lines about it :
The cover art was created by photographer Bob Seidemann, a personal friend and former flatmate of Clapton's who is primarily known for his photos of Janis Joplin and the Grateful Dead. In the mid-1990s, in an advertising circular intended to help sell lithographic reprints of the famous album cover, he explained his thinking behind the image.
I could not get my hands on the image until out of the mist a concept began to emerge. To symbolize the achievement of human creativity and its expression through technology a spaceship was the material object. To carry this new spore into the universe, innocence would be the ideal bearer, a young girl, a girl as young as Shakespeare's Juliet. The spaceship would be the fruit of the tree of knowledge and the girl, the fruit of the tree of life.
The spaceship could be made by Mick Milligan, a jeweller at the Royal College of Art . The girl was another matter. If she were too old it would be cheesecake, too young and it would be nothing. The beginning of the transition from girl to woman, that is what I was after. That temporal point, that singular flare of radiant innocence. Where is that girl?
Seidemann wrote that he approached a girl reported to be 14 years old on the London Underground about modelling for the cover, and eventually met with her parents, but that she proved too old for the effect he wanted. Instead, the model he used was her younger sister Mariora Goschen, who was reported to be 11 years old. Mariora initially requested a horse as a fee but was instead paid £40.
Bizarre rumours both contributed to and were fuelled by the controversy, including that the girl was Baker's daughter or was a groupie kept as a slave by the band. The image, titled "Blind Faith" by Seidemann, became the inspiration for the name of the band itself, which had been unnamed when the artwork was commissioned. According to Seidemann: "It was Eric who elected to not print the name of the band on the cover. The name was instead printed on the wrapper, when the wrapper came off, so did the type." This had been done previously for The Rolling Stones' 1964 debut album, The Beatles' albums Rubber Soul in 1965 and Revolver in 1966, and Traffic's self-titled 1968 debut album.
Hey Sunflowerbee, the sun is shining here in the 'other' Hillsborough too and I am remembering this Blind Faith album from my teenage years.
Thanks for the bump. Look, I made a gross generalization. Based on a quick guess/assumption that the cover had been changed because somebody objected to see a nude frontal of pre-adolescent/young adolescent girl.
On this flimsy or non-evidence, I addressed a well-known caricature of American puritanical morality. No, I did not address the fact that Americans are the most socially and politically diverse people you could imagine.
Besides, today, in the light of more recent developments, I am OK hanging' with folks who have prudish views on child nudity as long as we share a bunch of other values when it comes to protecting women and children and vulnerable men from those prepared to assault and harass or use indiscriminate deadly means.
kingart, I am not a fan of the drone strikes on so-called terrorists in Pakistan and elsewhere because I know the ex-ante probability of killing civilians is high and the potential of costly blow back is great. Costly blow back includes dead Americans or creations like ISIS/Da'esh. And dead Israelis even if they are relatively few in number.
I worry that the USA maintains these endless wars, and continues to lend serious support to Israeli despite the nuclear weapons arsenal and the on-going settlement of the West Bank and East Jerusalem. I worry that the US hegemony erodes over time as economic, diplomatic and political strength ebbs.
The clear preference of small NATO members is that the USA stays strong and self-confident. That the USA retains the ability to get things done with minimal fanfare, minimal demonization of others and minimal additional polarization.
For many of us in small, rich western countries, the Trump era is one of increased uncertainty and worry. Thankfully, a good chunk of voting American adults seem to share the same view and concerns and are figuratively dusting off their behinds and getting involved.
As for you, westslope, that's kind of a derogatory comment nonetheless. What is with you Americans?
Excuse me, but ALL Americans don't see a bunch of pre-adolescents, in Scandanavia or anywhere else, and feel compelled to shag them. That's not horny, that's pathological and Humbert Humbert Donald Trumpert gnarly, thank you gracias merci beaucoup.
As for the cover art, it's less the imagery itself than the theme or aesthetic. WTF does it have to do with faith, blind or keen eyed?
westslope wrote:
Why?
What is with you Americans? If you walk down a beach in Scandinavia and see a bunch of pre-adolescents with no clothes on, do you all get that irresistible urge to MUST HAVE SEX?
Jesus......
Aerial bombing civilians is so much more socially acceptable.
?????
The guy who designed this cover must have been a paedo masquerading as an artist, and luckily never got to design a second album cover for the band!
Well drews...methinks some people are way too fucking uptight about a mere pair of tits, and a toy airplane that some want to imagine as a phallic symbol. Maybe we're all embarrassed or want to have queer sex after seeing the Statue of David as well?
Some of you should try to get over it, or just move to Saudi Arabia.
Why?
What is with you Americans? If you walk down a beach in Scandinavia and see a bunch of pre-adolescents with no clothes on, do you all get that irresistible urge to MUST HAVE SEX?
Jesus......
Aerial bombing civilians is so much more socially acceptable.
?????
Why?
What is with you Americans? If you walk down a beach in Scandinavia and see a bunch of pre-adolescents with no clothes on, do you all get that irresistible urge to MUST HAVE SEX?
Jesus......
Aerial bombing civilians is so much more socially acceptable.
Well, instead of playing the coy smart ass, why don't you simply explain YOUR interpretation of the lyrics?
I want to thank Bill for playing this - I listened up recognizing Winwood, I know him from later hits - and thank the commenters as well for telling me to listen to the whole album. That's what I intend to do!
Holds up reasonably well. Could be my well socialized ear though.
I grew up in the 60's and the bands back than were great and still are. There are also great bands today. You have to mix it up
idiot_wind is just messin' witchu.
Let's listen to today's rock bands...they are so much better.
Eric Clapton - Steve Winwood - Ginger Baker ...What planet are you on
I grew up in the 60's and the bands back than were great and still are. There are also great bands today. You have to mix it up
Gotta agree with Kingart. This album was a concept album from start to finish. And if you weren't there from the start to finish, as we all heard it in the beginning, you might not get it. And just because it was a one album group does not diminish the the quality or value of any work. Buy the album, get baked, chill and just listen in the solitude of your mind and the sound. It's a worth-while trip-in my estimation.
Let's listen to today's rock bands...they are so much better.
"To symbolize the achievement of human creativity and its expression through technology a space ship was the material object. To carry this new spore into the universe innocence would be the ideal bearer, a young girl, a girl as young as Shakespeare's Juliet. The space ship would be the fruit of the tree of knowledge and the girl, the fruit of the tree of life.
The space ship could be made by Mick Milligan, a jeweler at the Royal College of Art. The girl was another matter. If she were too old it would be cheesecake, too young and it would be nothing. It was the beginning of the transition from girl to woman, that is what I was after."
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The guy who designed this cover must have been a paedo masquerading as an artist, and luckily never got to design a second album cover for the band!
The cover was artwork and thought provoking. Sadly, the world is full of prudes looking under every rock for pedophiles and perverts... when perhaps they should be looking in the mirror. Dirty minds think alike. Perhaps you protest too much.
It wasn't the "best" they could have done Back in The Day and unfortunately the actual Master Mix of this album is believed to be Lost. I've been told that the original was beyond wonderful. Perhaps someday it will show up?
See RP are using the nanny knows best cover.
Gone again!
Not long and you say your grand-parents had
"Ummagumma".
Careful with Granny - in Eugene!
wow. it took me a long time to see this comment. (I've taken to reading the old comments.)
My mom had both the Blind Faith album and a couple of Traffic albums (she was a hippie). She didn't have any Pink Floyd that I can remember...
she was born after WW2 and I was born in '62 she used to hang in Hollywood and danced at the Whiskey!
Formation and early history
The beginnings of Blind Faith date from mid-1968, with the break-up of Cream. In retrospect as the first "super-group", Cream had become a financial powerhouse, selling millions of records within a few years and raising the group's (and each member's) repertoire to international popularity. Despite that success, the band were crumbling from within because of frequent animosity between Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker, with Eric Clapton doing his best to mediate<citation needed>. In addition, Clapton had been tired of being coerced into playing commercially driven blues and hoped to move forward with a new, experimental, less straitjacketed approach to the genre<citation needed>.
Steve Winwood was facing similar problems in The Spencer Davis Group, where he had been the lead singer for three years. Winwood wanted to experiment with the band's sound by infusing jazz elements, but left due to his musical differences, instead forming a new band — Traffic — in 1967. That band split temporarily in 1969, and Winwood started to jam with his good friend Clapton in Clapton's basement in Surrey,England. Winwood and Clapton had previously collaborated on the "Powerhouse" project.
Clapton was pleased with the jam sessions, but was hesitant to start a serious group. Ginger Baker turned up one day to sit in with them in 1969, and the band took near-final form. Clapton questioned letting Baker in the band, because he had promised Jack Bruce that, if they were to work with one another again, all three of them would play. Moreover, Clapton didn't want to reunite with Cream barely nine weeks after the break-up, and also didn't want to deal with another "Cream-like" super-stardom situation. Winwood ultimately persuaded Clapton to finalize Baker's inclusion in the line-up, arguing that Ginger Baker strengthened their musicianship and that it would be hard to find an equally talented drummer.<citation needed>
By May 1969, Ric Grech, bassist with Family, was invited to join them (leaving Family, mid-tour). Andy Johns (engineer) recorded most of the Blind Faith backing tracks at Morgan Studios and the album was finished at Olympic studios with Alan O'Duffy (engineer) who recorded some further tracks, all of the overdubs and mixed the album. This was done under the supervision of producer Jimmy Miller. Jimmy Miller provided focus to the band, who often preferred jamming over the standard commercial 3–5 minute track. By then the group was known collectively as Blind Faith, a slyly cynical reference by Clapton to his outlook on the new group.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_Faith
1969! Yes! Yes!.....the old that is always new ....... a good opportunity for bands and artists that are releasing right now, they are here as reference may be the construction and development of music and songs with "beginning, middle and end" ...
** 9/10 **
(Edited: 15-12-2010)
Just to review (zap) by radio stations scattered around world like mushrooms (radio only have the same name), by television stations, distribution channels over the web, live-concerts, called rock festivals (which rock only in name), publishers hungry greed for easy profits (the music is an attractive medium) that promote and accept any barefoot, beardless and inexperienced, completely devoid of musical creativity, non-domain instruments, (and make much noise, so fast scratch the strings of guitars, so that in the swirl of distorted sounds, it seems that "playing)", unable to sing decently and coordinated (so scream and yell a lot), producing albums for routine and boost market (if there no inspiration and creativity, then invents itself, repeats itself, is simulated), industry (!) and the distribution chain can not stop.
In the past, criticized the artists because themselves used drugs, and therefore, many paid a heavy price with their lives. But masterpieces are conceived and created music. These days, taking in drugs or not, just "leave shit".
And to prove that there Music renewal in the new generations, are the artists with more than 20, 30 or 40 year career, but who are currently still on the scene and produce new musical works (and I will not say the names, because all we know who are!!) that constitute a true "stone in the pond"...
I suspect, and rightly so, the bands and singers who throw (or make up, or they are required by publishers) new disks every year without having the artistic support and preparation to make that possible. Then what is the result? "the devil is" to find a single song from that album with some artistic value. And the public is deceived into paying for a full CD just to hear, at best, a single song. Badly.
Even the radio producers honest and conscientious, even for very lenient and generous, have great difficulty in selecting one or two songs both worthwhile and interesting to include in their programming (not in sponsored playlist).
I also think, at present, an artist or band honest and conscientious, even the most reputable and proven, even with several years of career, only should launch a new disc for the public when the conditions are met in quality, creativity innovation and maturity required for this new job.
And we have several of these names have already stated that only quality launch a new work every two or three years, sometimes longer. The musical creativity is not a product of any supermarket, consumer goods, where many times just change the label to be more attractive. It's art.
And the publishers expect this time? No. Have necessarily to earn money. And as the novelty is selling, what toothpaste, soap or perfume, saturates the market for hearing crap, masquerading as music. But I think we can and should be a compromise between the timings of the industry and quality required for musical creativity. For reasons not here to discriminate or favor nobody, i will not mention names of artists or bands around (5, 10 and more years of his career), but I felt like, felt like.
Call me old fashioned, clinging to the past, nostalgic, sentimental, that does not evolve, they did not follow the course of time. I do not care. I'm not worried that some consider me a "hostage of the past", because what is really good, never goes out of fashion, nor has an expiration date.
And iI understand that no, this is not the case. Appreciate what I know today is produced interesting and artistic quality. And I'm not alone. And one need not go very far....
Not long and you say your grand-parents had
"Ummagumma".
Careful with Granny - in Eugene!
"To symbolize the achievement of human creativity and its expression through technology a space ship was the material object. To carry this new spore into the universe innocence would be the ideal bearer, a young girl, a girl as young as Shakespeare's Juliet. The space ship would be the fruit of the tree of knowledge and the girl, the fruit of the tree of life.
The space ship could be made by Mick Milligan, a jeweler at the Royal College of Art. The girl was another matter. If she were too old it would be cheesecake, too young and it would be nothing. It was the beginning of the transition from girl to woman, that is what I was after."
https://www.angelfire.com/wi/blindfaith/vvcov69.html
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The guy who designed this cover must have been a paedo masquerading as an artist, and luckily never got to design a second album cover for the band!
1955 Chevrolet BelAir hood ornament
Great find - than k you!
Congrats too to the person who posted the adult-girli some time ago.
That one of the great features of RP.
I just wish we all could be 20-40 years younger
and meet on a moonlit night in Anjuna!
Correct - just reading CLEO ODZER!
Stingray
a favorite song, now and before.
1955 Chevrolet BelAir hood ornament
"To symbolize the achievement of human creativity and its expression through technology a space ship was the material object. To carry this new spore into the universe innocence would be the ideal bearer, a young girl, a girl as young as Shakespeare's Juliet. The space ship would be the fruit of the tree of knowledge and the girl, the fruit of the tree of life.
The space ship could be made by Mick Milligan, a jeweler at the Royal College of Art. The girl was another matter. If she were too old it would be cheesecake, too young and it would be nothing. It was the beginning of the transition from girl to woman, that is what I was after."
https://www.angelfire.com/wi/blindfaith/vvcov69.html
1969! Yes!.....old that is always new .......
"And the end of all our exploring
will be to arrive where we started
and know the place for the first time.
Through the unknown, remembered gate
when the last of earth left to discover
is that which was the beginning."
Excerpt from T.S. Elliot's Little Gidding
Yeah, a little racy even for back then. I remember raising my eyebrows a little at the local record store when I saw it. Still bought it though.
The story behind the photo: Mariora Goschen: The Young Girl Featured on the Controversial “Blind Faith” Album Cover in 1969