Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Dec 21, 2021 - 2:01pm
ScottFromWyoming wrote:
wink wink nudge nudge yeah I get it. Safe to say that every one of the 330 million people in this country gets that it's a metaphor. So if you're speaking metaphorically, literally saying to take "the kill shot" but meaning something like "go ask the nice man a question," it's unreasonable to think that someone might misunderstand? I'm not sure there's a precedent for anything that so you may be right.
Indeed. Fauci has been the recipient of numerous death threats and has security as a result. At best, then, this is a case of extremely poor word choices. Watters would have to be oblivious and stupid, or abjectly dishonest, to assert otherwise â along with anyone else making such a claim.
wink wink nudge nudge yeah I get it. Safe to say that every one of the 330 million people in this country gets that it's a metaphor. So if you're speaking metaphorically, literally saying to take "the kill shot" but meaning something like "go ask the nice man a question," it's unreasonable to think that someone might misunderstand? I'm not sure there's a precedent for anything that so you may be right.
I say that based upon what I read at the link you posted.
Not sure how you can read what he posted and watch the video from TPUSA and not come away thinking this Watters guy is a criminal but hey, you're The Amazing Kurtster™, contortionist extraordinaire.
The "kill shot" I see referenced is regarding taking a video capturing a moment were Fauci is set up and caught as in "dead to rights" Maybe I am the only one here old enough to have heard that expression before.
Its a flipping metaphor. Listen to the shit coming out of the WH regarding the unvaxxed fer chrissakes. You'd think that they were talking about the Jews as scapegoats in the prelude to WW II.
Phony outrage. Kinda like the printing targets blamed on Palin when Giffords got shot.
I say that based upon what I read at the link you posted.
Not sure how you can read what he posted and watch the video from TPUSA and not come away thinking this Watters guy is a criminal but hey, you're The Amazing Kurtsterâ¢, contortionist extraordinaire.
Think this belongs in a homeless thread instead (person who set the fire was homeless). Too many cities are not doing enough to humanely handle the homeless/rampant drug use in our cities. There is a portion of the homeless population who have effectively taken over many of our public spaces - sidewalks, parks... In Denver, Union Station, which received a 1/2 billion dollar makeover a few years ago, is rampant with open drug use, loitering, dangerous behavior, often resulting in garbage left behind when they finally do leave. Most people avoid the area if they can, rather than enjoy the open spaces, outdoor seating, shops and restaurants that is intended for all. The city council seems immobilized to do anything about it...as if this portion of the homeless population are innocent victims of their circumstance. Thereâs a fine line between providing necessary assistance, and enabling. As for most homeless folks, they are trying to get by, and I have much empathy for them. Here again, our systems seem to be failing as too many don't get the resources for a basic existence.
A) A conflation. Vaccines are not therapies. Therapies are treatments post infection, not before. A huge error on your part. Fauci has done everything in his power to prevent the development of therapies for the resulting Covid 19 infection that comes from the SARS-CoV-2 virus . He has denigrated them and anyone pursuing their use and development. With him it has been vaccines are the only way. Natural immunity is worthless. Therapies are misinformation and quackery.
Hogwarts awards MAGA House ten pedantry points for exposing this YUGE error. It will withhold them until you can substantiate anything else in this paragraph. Go ahead, show us where he said any such thing.
And...which therapies are you referring to? Hydroxychloroquine? Ivermectin? Bleach? UV rays? Or is there some Amway product that's this month's miracle cure?
"everything in his power"...what power is that, exactly? What can his office do besides issue a memo?
B) You speak of the FDA. My understanding is that the only way a drug gets emergency approval by the FDA is if there are no alternative treatments available. Fauci has well known financial interests in vaccines. It is in his financial interest to quash any kind of treatments or therapies of the Covid 19 infection. And via his position, he has done everything possible to do just that. A very apparent conflict of interest.
Fauci has been the bottleneck / impediment regarding the development of therapies.
Yes, I speak of the FDA, a federal agency with actual rulemaking and enforcement power. The agency that has the power to prosecute you for shipping a covid test they haven't taken their leisurely time to approve.
If you have some kind of evidence that Fauci has a financial interest in vaccines maybe you should present it. And evidence, btw, is something other people can verify. Go ahead. It's "well-known", right? So produce it.
While you're at it you could show us this astonishing power he has to suppress medicines. Does he oversee the FDA approval process? Does he write regulations? How does he accomplish this nefarious deed? If he's a bottleneck, what's flowing thru him?
He has also lied to Congress regarding his involvement with Gain Of Function research at the Wuhan Lab.
Lying means he would have had to know what he said wasn't true. This is a very detailed article about the controversy by The Intercept, the publication that sued NIH to get the records that everyone else is poring over to find a smoking gun. It definitely contradicts Fauci's testimony, but comes well short of accusing him of lying. You should read it. You won't, but you should.
C) You greatly minimize the impact of Fauci's words and very public advice. The use of authority / force via Public Health concerns using his "advice" has gone as far as overriding the Constitution with illegal mandates of which we are now finally getting some push back as these things are finally moving through the courts.
Yes, good to see at least a few courts recognize that the federal government's power is not infinite. And if Dr. Fauci advocates unconstitutional means to affect public health goals, well, it's a good thing he doesn't have the power to create policy. Or enforce it.
You know why his words have impact? Because he knows what he's talking about. That's damned handy in a situation like this.
Well then. That makes him infallible, above any reproach and the expert of everything he speaks ... Or The newest poster boy for the Peter Principle.
What about it would make him Josef Mengele?C) His position does not have statutory authority. He cannot give an order and compel you to follow it. His role is information, specifically to advise the president—a role he has filled for 7 presidents. His word is not law, it's advice. The demonization of this man baffles me. When a new disease emerges it's a mystery to everyone, including the people who are tasked with understanding it and advising people who make policy.
A) They can try and get ahead of it by doing research to understand possible threats or therapies (like MRNA vaccines, a technique 30 years in the making), and this is a huge help.
But the actual disease will still be new and its behavior unknown. That means when an advisor is asked to give his best guess on what to do it is just that—a guess. An educated guess, but a guess. As we learn we revise those guesses.B) That doesn't make the earlier guesses lies. He has said things you didn't want to hear. That doesn't make him wrong, it doesn't make him a nazi war criminal, and it doesn't make him a movie villain. He is visible in ways that, say, the directors of the CDC and the FDA aren't but these agencies have a lot more to do with the conduct of the government than he does, and they bear a lot of the blame for the progress of the disease in the US. The FDA is why we don't have readily-available home test kits for covid. The CDC was the bottleneck in early testing to track the disease's progress as it emerged. Fauci is not.
A) A conflation. Vaccines are not therapies. Therapies are treatments post infection, not before. A huge error on your part. Fauci has done everything in his power to prevent the development of therapies for the resulting Covid 19 infection that comes from the SARS-CoV-2 virus . He has denigrated them and anyone pursuing their use and development. With him it has been vaccines are the only way. Natural immunity is worthless. Therapies are misinformation and quackery.
B) You speak of the FDA. My understanding is that the only way a drug gets emergency approval by the FDA is if there are no alternative treatments available. Fauci has well known financial interests in vaccines. It is in his financial interest to quash any kind of treatments or therapies of the Covid 19 infection. And via his position, he has done everything possible to do just that. A very apparent conflict of interest.
Fauci has been the bottleneck / impediment regarding the development of therapies.
He has also lied to Congress regarding his involvement with Gain Of Function research at the Wuhan Lab.
C) You greatly minimize the impact of Fauci's words and very public advice. The use of authority / force via Public Health concerns using his "advice" has gone as far as overriding the Constitution with illegal mandates of which we are now finally getting some push back as these things are finally moving through the courts.
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Dec 2, 2021 - 2:58pm
NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
/picks chin up off the floor. You mean the rapid-fire tests, right? We have about 20 stashed here in our pantry. We get them given to us free (government policy) as Nico (nearing 3 years old) is in daycare. But aside from that you can pick up any number you want at the local drugstore, cost about â¬1.75 a pop.
Health care in the US is a profit-oriented enterprise. That is why we have the best health care in the world!
I got a 2-pack for $14 at Walmart last week*; apparently Uncle Joe is pushing to make insurance reimburse that cost.
*Charlie tested negative
We picked up a dozen packs or so a month ago, no problem. (Had a wedding coming up and wanted everyone to be comfy.)
They were about $25 for a pair.
Then we made a quick trip to Iceland and they were everywhere for about $3 a test in grocery stores.
The FDA is why we don't have readily-available home test kits for covid.
I got a 2-pack for $14 at Walmart last week*; apparently Uncle Joe is pushing to make insurance reimburse that cost.
*Charlie tested negative
/picks chin up off the floor. You mean the rapid-fire tests, right? We have about 20 stashed here in our pantry. We get them given to us free (government policy) as Nico (nearing 3 years old) is in daycare. But aside from that you can pick up any number you want at the local drugstore, cost about €1.75 a pop.
My amateur take is that conservative political reaction tends to find a person or people to serve as an evil agent for complex events and the federal government's response to those events.
People don't fully understand Covid or pandemics and aren't convinced that they need to cooperate with everyone else by wearing masks, socially distancing, getting vaccine shots, etc.
Americans are rarely asked to work together, so public health programs and mandates can come across as threats to individual freedoms. It's much easier to whip people up for political gain if you can personify that threat as an elite politician or unelected bureaucrat. Fauci is a prime example. The GOP demonized Nancy Pelosi as a socialist destroyer of family values and lover of fringe minorities. Hillary Clinton got smeared as a power-hungry monster intent on destroying the working class. Obama was a socialist who hated white people.
All these people got fashioned as symbols and promoters of forces that seemed to threaten normalcy and prosperityâforces like gay rights/BLM, economic globalization, challenges to white male power, federally mandated healthcare,
etc.
His position does not have statutory authority. He cannot give an order and compel you to follow it. His role is information, specifically to advise the presidentâa role he has filled for 7 presidents. His word is not law, it's advice.
The demonization of this man baffles me. When a new disease emerges it's a mystery to everyone, including the people who are tasked with understanding it and advising people who make policy. They can try and get ahead of it by doing research to understand possible threats or therapies (like MRNA vaccines, a technique 30 years in the making), and this is a huge help. But the actual disease will still be new and its behavior unknown. That means when an advisor is asked to give his best guess on what to do it is just thatâa guess. An educated guess, but a guess. As we learn we revise those guesses.
That doesn't make the earlier guesses lies.
He has said things you didn't want to hear. That doesn't make him wrong, it doesn't make him a nazi war criminal, and it doesn't make him a movie villain. He is visible in ways that, say, the directors of the CDC and the FDA aren't but these agencies have a lot more to do with the conduct of the government than he does, and they bear a lot of the blame for the progress of the disease in the US. The FDA is why we don't have readily-available home test kits for covid. The CDC was the bottleneck in early testing to track the disease's progress as it emerged. Fauci is not.
Well put.
My amateur take is that conservative political reaction tends to find a person or people to serve as an evil agent for complex events and the federal government's response to those events.
People don't fully understand Covid or pandemics and aren't convinced that they need to cooperate with everyone else by wearing masks, socially distancing, getting vaccine shots, etc.
Americans are rarely asked to work together, so public health programs and mandates can come across as threats to individual freedoms. It's much easier to whip people up for political gain if you can personify that threat as an elite politician or unelected bureaucrat. Fauci is a prime example. The GOP demonized Nancy Pelosi as a socialist destroyer of family values and lover of fringe minorities. Hillary Clinton got smeared as a power-hungry monster intent on destroying the working class. Obama was a socialist who hated white people.
All these people got fashioned as symbols and promoters of forces that seemed to threaten normalcy and prosperity—forces like gay rights/BLM, economic globalization, challenges to white male power, federally mandated healthcare,
etc.
100% correct