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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 1:37pm

 zipper wrote:

Whoa, kids can vote in MA? {#Lol} Seriously, the teachers were instructed to wear them?

Did you see the letter from the Sec of Ed to the nation's principals regarding the historic speech? Note the follow-up classroom activities listed under question 3. Despite the fact that few kids will be paying attention to the speech, all of them will be required to participate in projects to discuss and explain what they learned from the president's words. We can rest assured that it will amount to blatant partisan indoctrination.

 

{#Clap}
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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 1:36pm

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Oh, what's wrong with a little "education" ?? Afterall, children need to be taught what to think, don't they? {#Lol}

I am not sure some of the students got "the message." Perhaps she should have worn the Obama button in class like all the teachers were instructed to do in Massachusetts during Deval Patrick's campaign for governor?

 
Whoa, kids can vote in MA? {#Lol} Seriously, the teachers were instructed to wear them?

Did you see the letter from the Sec of Ed to the nation's principals regarding the historic speech? Note the follow-up classroom activities listed under question 3. Despite the fact that few kids will be paying attention to the speech, all of them will be required to participate in projects to discuss and explain what they learned from the president's words. We can rest assured that it will amount to blatant partisan indoctrination.


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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 1:32pm

 Mugro wrote:


I am not sure some of the students got "the message." Perhaps she should have worn the Obama button in class like all the teachers were instructed to do in Massachusetts during Deval Patrick's campaign for governor?

 

Maybe every kid in the country should be given a Top Cat button to wear if they so choose too & if their parents allow them to wear one, of course.   {#Lol}

Seems to me that its all the adults that are in a big kerfuffle over presidents talking with school children that are making this in to a Kilkenny Cat fight as DMax mentioned.   Just sounds like more paranoid goofeyness to me.  Most little kids don't view people as Repubs or Dems; just as people like themselves.

"There once were two cats of Kilkenny
Each thought there was one cat too many
So they fought and they fit
And they scratched and they bit
'Til (excepting their nails
And the tips of their tails)
Instead of two cats there weren't any! "

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 1:25pm

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Its time for open revolt against these stupid motherfucking fundamentalist idiots.

 

jade,
'Open revolt'? And that would entail?
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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 1:16pm

 zipper wrote:

Because the country's educators are above reproach. What could go wrong? It's just a little indoctrination.


 

Oh, what's wrong with a little "education" ?? Afterall, children need to be taught what to think, don't they? {#Lol}

I am not sure some of the students got "the message." Perhaps she should have worn the Obama button in class like all the teachers were instructed to do in Massachusetts during Deval Patrick's campaign for governor?


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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 1:09pm

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Funny, because they think it's time to reclaim the country from liberal communist hippies facist greedy money-grubbers

I'm thinking of the Kilkenny cats

 

Yup, its' the old Top Cat dilemma   {#Lol}


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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 12:51pm

 jadewahoo wrote:
Its time for open revolt against these stupid motherfucking fundamentalist idiots.
 
Funny, because they think it's time to reclaim the country from liberal communist hippies.

I'm thinking of the Kilkenny cats
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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 12:45pm

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Washington Post October 3, 1991:

House Democrats criticized President Bush yesterday for using Education Department funds to produce and broadcast a speech that he made Tuesday at a Northwest Washington junior high school.

The Democratic critics accused Bush of turning government money for education to his own political use, namely, an ongoing effort to inoculate himself against their charges of inattention to domestic issues. The speech at Alice Deal Junior High School, broadcast live on radio and television, urged students to study hard, avoid drugs and turn in troublemakers.

 


...didn't Communist Party Chairman Mao use that same tactic on the Chinese citizens during the bloodbath that was the Cultural Revolution.

Each turning in the other

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 12:10pm

 jadewahoo wrote:
Its time for open revolt against these stupid motherfucking fundamentalist idiots.

 
Because the country's educators are above reproach. What could go wrong? It's just a little indoctrination.



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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 10:02am


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That speech in 1991 was different; it was done by a real American with good intentions. (God Bless the Bush's)

It is said Obamas speech will be done in a futuristic hall with crowds of perfectly lined people dressed identical in societal garb; chanting with perfectly orchestrated cadence at the Supreme Leaders pauses!
 


Hmmm...   Sounds like another article from The Onion.

(Or is it, perhaps, another ACORN rally?)
 

Or I coulda just been making a joke about this real news piece!{#Chillpill}

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 9:55am

 sirdroseph wrote:

That speech in 1991 was different; it was done by a real American with good intentions. (God Bless the Bush's)

It is said Obamas speech will be done in a futuristic hall with crowds of perfectly lined people dressed identical in societal garb; chanting with perfectly orchestrated cadence at the Supreme Leaders pauses!{#Wink}


 
Hmmm...   Sounds like another article from The Onion.

(Or is it, perhaps, another ACORN rally?)

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 9:45am

 jadewahoo wrote:
Its time for open revolt against these stupid motherfucking fundamentalist idiots.

 
Douglas Adams had that character (Wonko from "So Long and Thanks For All the Fish") with the inside-out house so he could be "outside the asylum" while comfortably at home.

I think I'm just going to find a place like that to hole up I'll come out when the shooting stops.

If America is The Asylum then the Vegas airport is definitely a good representation of The Day Room.

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 9:43am

 jadewahoo wrote:
Its time for open revolt against these stupid motherfucking fundamentalist idiots.

 
We're already doing that, it's just overseas.

Wait, which fundamentalists are you talking about? They're all pretty much the same.

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 9:39am

Its time for open revolt against these stupid motherfucking fundamentalist idiots.
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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 8:37am

 Mugro wrote:

Democrats objected to the 1991 Bush41 speech in a similar partisan alarmist way. Consider the children! Same sh*t, different day, my friend.
 

Hardly similar.  I don't recall anyone speculating that Bush41 was going to indoctrinate young minds in much the same way Hitler would.  Nor do I remember any Democrat parents pulling their kids from school on that day.

I really think this says more about parents and their relationship with their kids.  Are parents that paranoid and distrustful of their kids that they can't let them listen to the president and discuss the topic later at the dinner table?  What in the hell are these parents afraid of?  Children have to be exposed to things that are different and may be an affront to their sensibilities.  That's life and you can't sheild your children from life's realities.  They are going to be exposed to much worse in life than a speech that might offend them. ( It's doubtful that this speech would offend, unless parents nitpick and convince the kids that they should be offended.)

The WH should not have caved in and rewrote the speech.  They really should have held their ground and suggested that parents have a discussion about the speech at the dinner table that evening.  I'm sure, at some point, the kids will grow up and recognize their parents' irrational distrust.  It won't make them love mom and dad any less. 

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 8:37am

Now this is nuts.  I cant imagine what the right wing would say if democrats tried to block a repub prez from speaking in schools.  got to hand it to the repub machine though in spreading the "socialist" threat.  All the crap that Bush pulled, and the left could barely register a response outside of its core.

 

National Desk; SECTA Obama's Plan For School Talk Ignites a Revolt By JAMES C. McKINLEY Jr. and SAM DILLON 824 words 4 September 2009 The New York Times NYTF Late Edition - Final 1 English Copyright 2009 The New York Times Company. All Rights Reserved.

HOUSTON — President Obama's plan to deliver a speech to public school students on Tuesday has set off a revolt among conservative parents, who have accused the president of trying to indoctrinate their children with socialist ideas and are asking school officials to excuse the children from listening.

The uproar over the speech, in which Mr. Obama intends to urge students to work hard and stay in school, has been particularly acute in Texas, where several major school districts, under pressure from parents, have laid plans to let children opt out of lending the president an ear.

Some parents said they were concerned because the speech had not been screened for political content. Nor, they said, had it been reviewed by the State Board of Education and local school boards, which, under state law, must approve the curriculum.

''The thing that concerned me most about it was it seemed like a direct channel from the president of the United States into the classroom, to my child,'' said Brett Curtiss, an engineer from Pearland, Tex., who said he would keep his three children home.

''I don't want our schools turned over to some socialist movement.''

The White House has said the speech will emphasize the importance of education and hard work in school, both to the individual and to the nation. The message is not partisan, nor compulsory, officials said.

''This isn't a policy speech,'' said Sandra Abrevaya, a spokeswoman for the Department of Education. ''It's designed to encourage kids to stay in school. The choice on whether to show the speech to students is entirely in the hands of each school. This is absolutely voluntary.''

Mr. Obama's speech was announced weeks ago, but the furor among conservatives reached a fever pitch Wednesday morning as right-wing Web sites and talk show hosts began inveighing against it.

Mark Steyn, a Canadian author and political commentator, speaking on the Rush Limbaugh show on Wednesday, accused Mr. Obama of trying to create a cult of personality, comparing him to Saddam Hussein and Kim Jong-il, the North Korean leader.

The Republican Party chairman in Florida, Jim Greer, said he ''was appalled that taxpayer dollars are being used to spread President Obama's socialist ideology.''

And Chris Stigall, a Kansas City talk show host, said, ''I wouldn't let my next-door neighbor talk to my kid alone; I'm sure as hell not letting Barack Obama talk to him alone.''

Previous presidents have visited public schools to speak directly to students, although few of those events have been broadcast live. Mr. Obama's address at noon, Eastern time, at a high school in Virginia, will be streamed live on the White House Web site.

The first President George Bush, a Republican, made a similar nationally broadcast speech from a Washington high school in 1991, urging students to study hard, avoid drugs and to ignore peers ''who think it's not cool to be smart.'' Democrats in Congress accused him of using taxpayer money — $27,000 to produce the broadcast — for ''paid political advertising.''

This week, school officials were hearing from parents about the issue not only in Texas, but in other parts of the country as well — California, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Illinois, South Carolina and Utah.

Herb Garrett, executive director of the Georgia School Superintendents Association, said many of his members felt that the controversy had put them in an awkward situation, vulnerable to attacks from conservative talk-show hosts if they open up instructional time for Mr. Obama's speech, and open to accusations that they have disrespected the president if they do not.

''It's one of those no-wins,'' Mr. Garrett said.

In Texas, calls and e-mail messages flooded into the offices of many local school officials. ''I didn't get a positive call all day,'' said Susan Dacus, a spokeswoman for the Wylie Independent School District outside Dallas.

School officials in Wylie decided to record the speech, review it and then let individual teachers show it, offering students the opportunity to avoid listening if they wished.

In Houston, teachers have been asked to tell parents if they intend to show the speech and the schools will provide an alternative class for those whose parents object, a spokesman for the district, Lee Vela, said.

Some Houston parents, however, said telling children they should not hear out the president of the United States, even if their parents dislike his policies, sends the wrong message — that one should not listen to someone with whom you disagree.

''It's difficult for me to understand how listening to the president, the commander in chief, the chief citizen of this country, is damaging to the youth of today,'' said Phyllis Griffin Epps, an analyst for the city who has two children in public school.


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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 8:24am

 Mugro wrote:


Washington Post October 3, 1991:

House Democrats criticized President Bush yesterday for using Education Department funds to produce and broadcast a speech that he made Tuesday at a Northwest Washington junior high school.

The Democratic critics accused Bush of turning government money for education to his own political use, namely, an ongoing effort to inoculate himself against their charges of inattention to domestic issues. The speech at Alice Deal Junior High School, broadcast live on radio and television, urged students to study hard, avoid drugs and turn in troublemakers.

"The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," House Majority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) said. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.' "

Two House committees demanded that the department explain the use of its funds for the speech, an explanation that Deputy Secretary David T. Kearns provided late in the day in a letter to Rep. William D. Ford (D-Mich.), chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee. Education Secretary Lamar Alexander was out of town. 



 

It seems the criticism was over the use of funds, criticism over the speech itself was secondary.
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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 8:17am

 Mugro wrote:


 and turn in troublemakers.


 
Uhoh- Looks like Hitler youth{#Lol}

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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 8:14am

 maryte wrote:


Sources please.

 

Washington Post October 3, 1991:

House Democrats criticized President Bush yesterday for using Education Department funds to produce and broadcast a speech that he made Tuesday at a Northwest Washington junior high school.

The Democratic critics accused Bush of turning government money for education to his own political use, namely, an ongoing effort to inoculate himself against their charges of inattention to domestic issues. The speech at Alice Deal Junior High School, broadcast live on radio and television, urged students to study hard, avoid drugs and turn in troublemakers.

"The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," House Majority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) said. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.' "

Two House committees demanded that the department explain the use of its funds for the speech, an explanation that Deputy Secretary David T. Kearns provided late in the day in a letter to Rep. William D. Ford (D-Mich.), chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee. Education Secretary Lamar Alexander was out of town. 


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Posted: Sep 4, 2009 - 7:52am

 maryte wrote:


Sources please.

 
A Modest Proposal - Jonathan Swift

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