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Posted: Jan 5, 2012 - 1:58pm

 oldslabsides wrote:


they found the freemen, didn't they?

 

Ah, the freemen!  Asserted the right to declare themselves sovereign — and to engage in check-kiting!  {#Lol}
{#Whisper} Sorry, couldn't resist. I always think that each time I hear them mentioned . . .been a while.   

 
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Posted: Jan 5, 2012 - 1:33pm

 oldslabsides wrote:


how long do you think the feds will let that stand?

 

Technically, it requires someone with legal standing to appeal the decision for the Supremes to get involved, but it's likely the corporate interests that were party to the suit in Montana may in fact do that.
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Posted: Jan 5, 2012 - 1:31pm

 cc_rider wrote:

Are you kidding? The Feds don't even know where Montana is.
 

they found the freemen, didn't they?
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Posted: Jan 5, 2012 - 1:27pm

 oldslabsides wrote:
how long do you think the feds will let that stand?
 
Are you kidding? The Feds don't even know where Montana is.

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Posted: Jan 5, 2012 - 1:24pm

 aflanigan wrote:
Finally, something (other than Lazy8's dance moves) that Montanans can be really, really proud of.

In Montana, Corporations Aren't People

 

how long do you think the feds will let that stand?
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Posted: Jan 5, 2012 - 1:15pm

Finally, something (other than Lazy8's dance moves) that Montanans can be really, really proud of.

In Montana, Corporations Aren't People
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Posted: Jan 2, 2012 - 11:06am



Montana high court upholds ban on election spending by corporations

by Matt Gouras
Great Falls Tribune
December 30, 2011


HELENA — The Montana Supreme Court restored the state's century-old ban on direct spending by corporations on political candidates or committees in a ruling Friday that interest groups say bucks a high-profile U.S. Supreme Court decision granting political speech rights to corporations.

The decision grants a big win to Attorney General Steve Bullock, who personally represented the state in defending its ban that came under fire after the "Citizens United" decision last year from the U.S. Supreme court.

"The Citizens United decision dealt with federal laws and elections — like those contests for president and Congress," said Bullock, who is now running for governor. "But the vast majority of elections are held at the state or local level, and this is the first case I am aware of that examines state laws and elections."

The corporation that brought the case and is also fighting accusations that it illegally gathers anonymous donations to fuel political attacks, said the state Supreme Court got it wrong. The group argues that the 1912 Corrupt Practices Act, passed as a citizen's ballot initiative, unconstitutionally blocks political speech by corporations...


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Posted: Sep 22, 2011 - 1:05pm

 Lazy8 wrote:


That would have been a problem too, but that isn't what he apologized for and that isn't what troubles me about his (and the various courts') ruling.

Sympathy with one of the parties in a suit must never be the basis for a decision—it has to be driven by the law regardless of who wins or loses. Otherwise we lose the rule of law, and the law might as well not be there. Trials would just be popularity contests.

My problem with his apology was that it resulted from the outcome. He ruled that Conneticut could seize her house (and her neighbor's houses) and hand the land over to a private party based on the vague assumption that that private party would bring in more tax revenue. That revenue never materialized and that's the basis for his regret, but that was a possibility when he ruled. He's saying that if he could have predicted that outcome he'd have ruled otherwise.

The precedent would have been made the other way, but not based on the law—just the shifting fortunes of the the company who got the sweetheart deal. That has many layers of wrong all over it.

The Kelo decision was bad law because it was a faulty reading of the constitution, not because the taxpayers got screwed just as badly as the people their government screwed.
  I agree, the ruling never made sense on its face, no matter the outcome. Taking private property away from one group of citizens, giving it to another group of private citizens, for the express purpose of a for-profit commercial venture? That's what our country has come to? That's practically the definition of fascism.

And we're supposed to think that judge is qualified to rule on matters of Constitutionality? He sheds crocodile tears over a ruling that ruined a bunch of peoples' lives, because they had the audacity to buy property someone else might eventually want to build a strip-mall on? Worse, it set a very dangerous precedent: your property can be seized, by force if necessary, if your government decides somebody else should have it. Not for public use, mind you, but for a privately-owned business.

This is the stuff revolutions are made of.


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Posted: Sep 22, 2011 - 12:46pm

For some reason reply isn't working on your post, but well said Lazy8.
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Posted: Sep 22, 2011 - 12:30pm

 cc_rider wrote:
Wow. When a sitting Judge discovers his rulings affect actual people, all of a sudden he has a change of heart. Thanks a lot, asshole. 

That would have been a problem too, but that isn't what he apologized for and that isn't what troubles me about his (and the various courts') ruling.

Sympathy with one of the parties in a suit must never be the basis for a decision—it has to be driven by the law regardless of who wins or loses. Otherwise we lose the rule of law, and the law might as well not be there. Trials would just be popularity contests.

My problem with his apology was that it resulted from the outcome. He ruled that Conneticut could seize her house (and her neighbor's houses) and hand the land over to a private party based on the vague assumption that that private party would bring in more tax revenue. That revenue never materialized and that's the basis for his regret, but that was a possibility when he ruled. He's saying that if he could have predicted that outcome he'd have ruled otherwise.

The precedent would have been made the other way, but not based on the law—just the shifting fortunes of the the company who got the sweetheart deal. That has many layers of wrong all over it.

The Kelo decision was bad law because it was a faulty reading of the constitution, not because the taxpayers got screwed just as badly as the people their government screwed.

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Posted: Sep 22, 2011 - 12:04pm

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It's important to understand exactly what he's apologizing for, but the revelation is illuminating.
 
Wow. When a sitting Judge discovers his rulings affect actual people, all of a sudden he has a change of heart. Thanks a lot, asshole.

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Posted: Sep 21, 2011 - 5:27pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
It's important to understand exactly what he's apologizing for, but the revelation is illuminating.

Apology Adds An Epilogue To Kelo CasIe 

 
Good read. 
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Posted: Sep 21, 2011 - 4:30pm

It's important to understand exactly what he's apologizing for, but the revelation is illuminating.

Apology Adds An Epilogue To Kelo CasIe

Supreme Court Justice's Startling Apology Adds Human Context To Tough Ruling

Susette Kelo

Though she lost the eminent domain case against New London and her home, Susette Kelo, seen at an eminent domain protest at the Capitol in 2006, became a compelling figure in the property rights movement. (Rick Hartford, The Hartford Courant / September 18, 2011)

If a state Supreme Court judge approaches a journalist at a private dinner and says something newsworthy about an important decision, is the journalist free to publish the statement?

I faced that situation at a dinner honoring the Connecticut Supreme Court at the New Haven Lawn Club on May 11, 2010. That night I had delivered the keynote address on the U.S. Supreme Court's infamous 5-4 decision in Kelo v. New London. Susette Kelo was in the audience and I used the occasion to tell her personal story, as documented in my book "Little Pink House."

Afterward, Susette and I were talking in a small circle of people when we were approached by Justice Richard N. Palmer. Tall and imposing, he is one of the four justices who voted with the 4-3 majority against Susette and her neighbors. Facing me, he said: "Had I known all of what you just told us, I would have voted differently."

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Posted: Jun 29, 2011 - 9:17am

BUSH v. GORE

(no, not THAT  Bush v. Gore)
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Posted: Jun 2, 2011 - 11:46am

 ankhara99 wrote:

This is one the Court got right.  The only problem with this law is that it relies on the E-Verify database, which by the accounts I've heard is sketchy and inaccurate.  Hopefully the feds won't cut the funding to it and make things even worse. 

 
You've heard about the budget crisis, right?

But you're right, this is the sort of thing the GOP will not touch. Along with Defense spending, tax cuts, corporate handouts. We NEED those things. Those are not luxuries like, oh, safe food, clean water, kids in school, stuff like that.

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Posted: Jun 2, 2011 - 11:43am

 kurtster wrote:
How come no one is talking about this ruling handed down last week ? 

The left got its wish by putting businesses on the defensive over hiring illegals, a major point of the left in the debate over solving illegal immigration.  In fact many on the left here have supported the notion that scrutinizing businesses should be the first action taken in slowing down the things that draw illegals here. 

Where is the celebration ?  The law was even signed into law by then Arizona governor and now HLS chief, Janet Napolitano. 

The silence is deafening ...

High court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

Our newest Justice, Kagan, recused herself because she was the solicitor for the administration, but is not planning on recusing herself when Obama's HC Bill arrives for a ruling, even though she advised on the construction of the Bill.

 
This is one the Court got right.  The only problem with this law is that it relies on the E-Verify database, which by the accounts I've heard is sketchy and inaccurate.  Hopefully the feds won't cut the funding to it and make things even worse. 
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Posted: Jun 2, 2011 - 11:01am

 kurtster wrote:
No one talkin' bout it here, yet we can talk so much about how bad a mommy Palin is.

Here's my search, took 3 pages before a hit on ABC, nothing but blogs after CNN.

clicky here    
I guess its how you ask the question ...
 
Hadn't heard due to being tied up with other things, fun & not-so-fun. Now that I know, good for AZ! Hopefully, CA has the balls to follow suit, though I doubt it. AZ got tired of the rhetoric and took action. CA politicians like to hear themselves talk and solving a problem gives them less to talk about. You see where I'm going with this.

I think the possibility exists that several midwestern states will copy AZ's law. Then you will hear the coasties say things like how racist the plains staters are while they look down their noses. {#Rolleyes} Oftentimes, people on the coasts lead the way with reforms.  This is a case where you can bet they won't quickly hop on the bandwagon even though they would benefit from it more than the central states! That accusation of racism linked to enforcing businesses to obey existing laws causes some serious blindness to the facts. Others will see thru the BS, but that word will still keep them from following their hearts out of fear of being mislabeled.

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Posted: Jun 1, 2011 - 6:52pm

 hippiechick wrote:

Hardly ignored, here is a google search page

http://www.google.com/search?q=High+court+Arizona+immigration+law&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Don't you get tired of just making shit up Kurt?
 
No one talkin' bout it here, yet we can talk so much about how bad a mommy Palin is.

Here's my search, took 3 pages before a hit on ABC, nothing but blogs after CNN.

clicky here    
I guess its how you ask the question ...

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Posted: Jun 1, 2011 - 6:22pm

 kurtster wrote:

Quite frankly, I am thrilled with this ruling for the reasons you stated above.  Its right for the right reasons.  And it also reinforces State's Rights and the 10th as well.

I admit to the cheap shot on the left, but the silence over this ruling everywhere has had me a bit mystified, and as we know that doesn't take too much to accomplish.  {#Wink}
 
Hardly ignored, here is a google search page

http://www.google.com/search?q=High+court+Arizona+immigration+law&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Don't you get tired of just making shit up Kurt?

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Posted: Jun 1, 2011 - 6:20pm

 kurtster wrote:

Quite frankly, I am thrilled with this ruling for the reasons you stated above.  Its right for the right reasons.  And it also reinforces State's Rights and the 10th as well.

I admit to the cheap shot on the left, but the silence over this ruling everywhere has had me a bit mystified, and as we know that doesn't take too much to accomplish.  {#Wink}
 
Silent? Hmm... I have run into it across the board in (legitimate) news sites. Yeah, those cheap shots will do nothing but leave you with ragged hangovers, buddy. {#Lol}
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