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Posted: May 6, 2020 - 2:14pm



 KarmaKarma wrote:
Creepy AF


I felt him get closer to me from behind. He leaned further in and inhaled my hair. I was mortified. I thought to myself, “I didn’t wash my hair today and the vice-president of the United States is smelling it. And also, what in the actual fuck? Why is the vice-president of the United States smelling my hair?


https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/an-awkward-kiss-changed-how-i-saw-joe-biden.html

 

I'll see your creepy and raise you felonious.  
rgio

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Posted: May 6, 2020 - 2:09pm



 KarmaKarma wrote:
Creepy AF
 
Yeah...it's pretty creepy...but it's amusing to see the supporters of a guy with 25+ assaults, start a character debate.   Creepy is saying...

"She's Got The Best Body"
"Is she a Piece Of Ass?" "Yeah."
"Perhaps I'd Be Dating Her"
"Kiss her?... As Often As I Can"
"She's Always Been Very Voluptuous"

and the all timer...

"If I Weren't, Ya Know, Her Father" 


Do I need to tell you who said those things about his little girl?

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Posted: May 6, 2020 - 1:38pm

Creepy AF


I felt him get closer to me from behind. He leaned further in and inhaled my hair. I was mortified. I thought to myself, “I didn’t wash my hair today and the vice-president of the United States is smelling it. And also, what in the actual fuck? Why is the vice-president of the United States smelling my hair?


https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/an-awkward-kiss-changed-how-i-saw-joe-biden.html

kcar

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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 7:40pm



 sirdroseph wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 sirdroseph wrote:
(...) but I agree with what Biden says above and have never wavered from this notion regardless of the political party of the accused. You should try it, there is no confusion.

Unless there's the threat of a socialist getting the Democratic nomination, in which case you'd feel compelled to vote (expediently) for the lesser evil alleged rapist (aka Trump)...
 
This is true, it would take something that dangerous, but that is about the only thing.
{#Yes}
 Though sadly it looks like the pandemic has pushed us into socialism anyway.  How ironic that we are destroying our grandchildren's hope by having them foot the tab for shutting the economy down and it is helping the environment which was the concern of our grandchildren as well.  Seems like either way, we are screwing our descendants.
{#Cry}
 

You should be far more worried about global warming than the coronavirus or public debt. 


Paul Krugman has this to say:



Peacocks and Vultures Are Circling the Deficit

Still, hypocrisy aside, should we be worried about the effects of Covid-19 on debt? No.

It’s true that we’re headed for some eye-popping numbers. Last week the Congressional Budget Office released preliminary economic and budget projections for the next two years, which were both shocking and unsurprising.

That is, the numbers were grim but more or less in line with what many independent economists have been predicting. In particular, the budget office expects the Covid-19 crisis to drive the unemployment rate to 16 percent in a few months, which might even be on the low side.

Soaring unemployment will cause federal revenues to plunge, and also lead to a surge in spending on safety-net programs like unemployment insurance, Medicaid and food stamps. Add in the large relief packages Congress has passed, and the budget office projects a deficit that will temporarily rise to levels we haven’t seen since World War II, and it expects federal debt to rise to 108 percent from 79 percent of G.D.P., which sounds scary.

But the government will be able to borrow that money at incredibly low interest rates. In fact, real interest rates — rates on government bonds protected against inflation — are negative. So the burden of the additional debt as measured by the rise in federal interest payments will be negligible. And no, we don’t have to worry about paying off the debt; we never will, and that’s OK.

The bottom line is that right now, the only thing we have to fear from deficits is deficit fear itself. Pay no attention to the peacocks and vultures: In this time of pandemic, we can and should spend whatever it takes to limit the damage.




The link that's embedded in "we never will" in the excerpt above leads to a piece that gives good historical perspective and the big takeaway: 



Who Pays For This?

As long as nominal GDP growth is higher than the annual budget deficit, debt to GDP goes down, and spending more than you take in leaves you with a lower debt burden.

This is so simple, but it’s easily overlooked because it doesn’t apply to people.

What matters for countries isn’t the amount of debt they hold. It’s how burdensome that debt is to maintain over time.


R_P

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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 4:06pm

If Trump is a Pathological Liar, What Type of Liar is Biden?
I’ll get to Biden—whose lies, not his gaffes, are what the Blue Team should worry most about. But first, some of what makes Trump an exceptional and extraordinary liar, even for a US president. Trump is obviously not the first politician to have zero allegiance to the truth, but he remains extraordinary—not merely in the sheer quantity of his lies but also in other ways.

The most obvious area of Trump’s extraordinariness as a liar is his staggering number of lies. “President Trump Made 16,241 False or Misleading Claims in His First Three Years” was the headline of the Washington Post in January 2020, which reports, “He averaged six such claims a day in 2017, nearly 16 a day in 2018 and more than 22 a day in 2019.” This was before his 2020 epidemic of false and misleading claims around COVID-19.

In addition to the sheer number of lies, what makes Trump extraordinary is his striking incapacity to gage how easily and quickly his lies will be detected. For some psychiatrists, assertions that are “easily verifiable to be untrue” indicate a pathological liar, but for me, it just means that Trump is a child-like liar. Trump is no different than the five-year old with chocolate cake smeared all over his face who, when confronted by his parents for eating his brother’s last piece of birthday chocolate cake, tells his parents that he has never had chocolate cake in his life.

One of many examples of this child-like lying occurred on March 7, 2020, when Trump stated about COVID-19 testing, “Anybody that wants a test can get a test. That’s what the bottom line is.” Even Trump supporters—who believe that all news that Trump doesn’t like is “fake news” —had themselves experienced or had heard from family and friends that Trump’s COVID-19 test availability assertion was false.

We can always count on Trump to have regard only for himself and to have no regard for the truth, but part of what makes him especially anxiety producing is that we can’t count on him to be smart enough to know what falsehood will in fact be self-serving. The Trump combination of being both an unrelentingly self-serving liar and a poor judge of what in fact is self-serving creates a unique kind of uncertainty.

What also distinguishes Trump as a liar compared to other liar US presidents is that Trump is unbothered by the consequences of being caught lying. Trump’s arrogance has been, in a perverse sense, justified. Trump is not extraordinary in the sense that he believes he is above the law—that’s par for the course for most US presidents—but he is extraordinary in his belief that there are no consequences for being caught lying. This makes Trump different than most of our well-known liar US presidents.

rgio

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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 1:19pm



 sirdroseph wrote:

 How ironic that we are destroying our grandchildren's hope by having them foot the tab for shutting the economy down and it is helping the environment which was the concern of our grandchildren as well.  Seems like either way, we are screwing our descendants.
 
All with a running head start...Tax cuts and a Trillion dollar deficit per year during the greatest economy the world has ever seen. 

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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 1:07pm

 sirdroseph wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 sirdroseph wrote:
(...) but I agree with what Biden says above and have never wavered from this notion regardless of the political party of the accused. You should try it, there is no confusion.

Unless there's the threat of a socialist getting the Democratic nomination, in which case you'd feel compelled to vote (expediently) for the lesser evil alleged rapist (aka Trump)...
 
This is true, it would take something that dangerous, but that is about the only thing.
{#Yes}
 Though sadly it looks like the pandemic has pushed us into socialism anyway.  How ironic that we are destroying our grandchildren's hope by having them foot the tab for shutting the economy down and it is helping the environment which was the concern of our grandchildren as well.  Seems like either way, we are screwing our descendants.
{#Cry}
 
Just goes to show that almost everyone has a price (or a fear) that might make them put their principles on hold.

If you actually had socialism, workers would be prioritized (in any bailout scheme), not capital...
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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 12:09pm

 R_P wrote:
 sirdroseph wrote:
(...) but I agree with what Biden says above and have never wavered from this notion regardless of the political party of the accused. You should try it, there is no confusion.

Unless there's the threat of a socialist getting the Democratic nomination, in which case you'd feel compelled to vote (expediently) for the lesser evil alleged rapist (aka Trump)...
 
This is true, it would take something that dangerous, but that is about the only thing.{#Yes} Though sadly it looks like the pandemic has pushed us into socialism anyway.  How ironic that we are destroying our grandchildren's hope by having them foot the tab for shutting the economy down and it is helping the environment which was the concern of our grandchildren as well.  Seems like either way, we are screwing our descendants.{#Cry}
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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 10:44am

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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 10:39am

 sirdroseph wrote:
(...) but I agree with what Biden says above and have never wavered from this notion regardless of the political party of the accused. You should try it, there is no confusion.

Unless there's the threat of a socialist getting the Democratic nomination, in which case you'd feel compelled to vote (expediently) for the lesser evil alleged rapist (aka Trump)...
sirdroseph

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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 10:25am

 rgio wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

That's what I thought, that is what you did.  You did not even address anything I said.
 
Trump rule #3 - Project, gaslight, ignore, repeat until exhaustion sets in

 
I can't hear you, you should probably come closer:

 

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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 10:17am

 sirdroseph wrote:

And if he doesn't then all is lost just like the election before this and the one before that and the one before that and.............?  I think Trump is an ignorant buffoon, but my life has never been better under his administration.  Does this have anything to do with Trump and his policies?  Possibly, but probably not.  Take solace in this disconnect.  We will survive regardless of who is elected President and if we do go down, it will probably be due to something far greater than who is the American President say like a pandemic or something.
 
Oh, please.
rgio

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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 10:10am



 sirdroseph wrote:

That's what I thought, that is what you did.  You did not even address anything I said.
 
Trump rule #3 - Project, gaslight, ignore, repeat until exhaustion sets in

sirdroseph

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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 9:54am

 rgio wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

Gymnastics team might have some openings after all this pandemic stuff blows over, you should check into that.
 
Trump rule #2 - When cornered by facts or logic, threaten a lawsuit, insult the other party, and/or ignore it and talk about something else.

 
That's what I thought, that is what you did.  You did not even address anything I said.
rgio

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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 9:22am



 sirdroseph wrote:

Gymnastics team might have some openings after all this pandemic stuff blows over, you should check into that.
 
Trump rule #2 - When cornered by facts or logic, threaten a lawsuit, insult the other party, and/or ignore it and talk about something else.

sirdroseph

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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 9:16am

 rgio wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
you either believe the women or you don't....
 
That's correct, after hearing the evidence.  Her making a claim doesn't automatically make him guilty. 

He didn't say "all claims made by a woman are accurate and truthful".  He was acknowledging that it is generally hard to say things like this out loud, and so there is likely a reason.  When women said he was getting too close and making them uncomfortable, he accepted that their feelings were the only measure for that and apologized.  In this instance, when she's making very specific accusations about physical contact, he's saying it never happened.

I don't know who to believe...but don't we generally still believe in "Innocent til proven guilty"?  Worked for the Republicans.
 
Gymnastics team might have some openings after all this pandemic stuff blows over, you should check into that.
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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 9:15am

 ScottN wrote:

The dems are very good at letting the perfect become the enemy of the good.  Biden will be the candidate.  Trump is a monumental disaster.  Biden must win for the good of the country and world.
 
And if he doesn't then all is lost just like the election before this and the one before that and the one before that and.............?  I think Trump is an ignorant buffoon, but my life has never been better under his administration.  Does this have anything to do with Trump and his policies?  Possibly, but probably not.  Take solace in this disconnect.  We will survive regardless of who is elected President and if we do go down, it will probably be due to something far greater than who is the American President say like a pandemic or something.
rgio

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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 9:14am



 sirdroseph wrote:
you either believe the women or you don't....
 
That's correct, after hearing the evidence.  Her making a claim doesn't automatically make him guilty. 

He didn't say "all claims made by a woman are accurate and truthful".  He was acknowledging that it is generally hard to say things like this out loud, and so there is likely a reason.  When women said he was getting too close and making them uncomfortable, he accepted that their feelings were the only measure for that and apologized.  In this instance, when she's making very specific accusations about physical contact, he's saying it never happened.

I don't know who to believe...but don't we generally still believe in "Innocent til proven guilty"?  Worked for the Republicans.
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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 9:04am

 rgio wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you've got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real."

Joe Biden during confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh.
 
If you listen to Biden, he has never wavered on this point.  There seems to be some sort of "gotcha" by people saying this, which is blatantly wrong.  He still says that.

Starting from the presumption that something did indeed happen, you then have to look at the facts and circumstances of the situation.  Since there is likely never going to be a known set of agreed facts, it then comes down to who you believe.  

This is exactly why Democrats lose so much.  They destroy their own in the name of honesty and fairness, and the Republicans vote Idoit Pussygrabbing Satin into the white house to support their beliefs and desires at any cost.  Kavanaugh did something wrong 30 years ago....Republicans say "who cares".  Joe did something wrong 27 years ago...and the liberals want to execute him.  I'm not supporting assault and if something did happen he was wrong and should have been called out for it as a Senator, but the guy was VP for 8 years and she never thought "I should tell someone at this point"?  Now, post #metoo, the Republicans actually are encouraging a character debate because they know so many Democrats will fall on their sword for even the slightest possible infraction.   
 
Nice try buddy, but no dice.  I think that Trump, Kavanaugh, Clinton, Biden and many more of the accused have probably engaged in this type of behavior and have to do no calisthenics to explain this.   It is called being unencumbered by at all cost partisanship, you either believe the women or you don't. Now of course I am sure some women lie in some of these cases, but I agree with what Biden says above and have never wavered from this notion regardless of the political party of the accused. You should try it, there is no confusion.   If you try to make it more complicated than that then you should ask yourself why.  Also just an aside, if you were honest with yourself you could easily see all the above mentioned people engaging in this type of activity just by following their personalities and behaviors.  Just like Trump, Got knows Biden has plenty of red flags on video.  You either see it or you don't,  you should probably stay away from women claiming abuse subjects, seems to be too complicated for you.
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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 8:51am

 rgio wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you've got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real."

Joe Biden during confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh.
 
If you listen to Biden, he has never wavered on this point.  There seems to be some sort of "gotcha" by people saying this, which is blatantly wrong.  He still says that.

Starting from the presumption that something did indeed happen, you then have to look at the facts and circumstances of the situation.  Since there is likely never going to be a known set of agreed facts, it then comes down to who you believe.  

This is exactly why Democrats lose so much.  They destroy their own in the name of honesty and fairness, and the Republicans vote Idoit Pussygrabbing Satin into the white house to support their beliefs and desires at any cost.  Kavanaugh did something wrong 30 years ago....Republicans say "who cares".  Joe did something wrong 27 years ago...and the liberals want to execute him.  I'm not supporting assault and if something did happen he was wrong and should have been called out for it as a Senator, but the guy was VP for 8 years and she never thought "I should tell someone at this point"?  Now, post #metoo, the Republicans actually are encouraging a character debate because they know so many Democrats will fall on their sword for even the slightest possible infraction.   
 
The dems are very good at letting the perfect become the enemy of the good.  Biden will be the candidate.  Trump is a monumental disaster.  Biden must win for the good of the country and world.
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