What dead policemen? Brian D. Sicknick,Gunther Hashida, Kyle deFreytag, Jeffrey Smith, Howard Liebengood. Does knowing their exact names make it more concrete for you?
Please cite the quote from the FBI official that said it was not an insurrection.
Let me make this clear for you. Trump instigated an insurrection (based on a lie that the election was stolen from him) that he hoped would interfere with Congressâ certification of Joe Bidenâs victory. Nothing could be clearer than that and the only lunacy being demonstrated is by your ignorant blind allegiance to a twice impeached liar. You gobble up the lies of the great orange orb like a small baby bird⦠always needy and always hungry for more.
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Posted:
Aug 28, 2021 - 9:10am
steeler wrote:
Has this gone well? No, it has not. Is that all you were seeking to elicit, an acknowledgment that this has not gone well?
A little elaboration. There was a huge intelligence failure that exacerbated what followed. The Biden administration was taken by surprise at how quickly the Taliban were able to take over the country, including Kabul. It was surprised that the Afghanistan armed forces, in many instances, essentially surrendered. It was surprised even though it has been reported that the Taliban had been negotiating terms of surrender with local officials and leaders for weeks, if not months. Because of this intelligence failure, the Biden administration thought it had time for a relatively orderly withdrawal that it did not have. The die was cast.
Given that it was now stuck between a rock and a hard place (and not to excuse it), the administration executed relatively well. I have heard a retired general a couple times now say that this kind of evacuation (non-combatant evacuation operation) is among the toughest military operations, if not the toughest, because planning simply cannot be done with anything remotely close to military precision. Inherently, he said, it is going to be chaotic. He said that it was âremarkableâ that the US and its allies have been able to evacuate close to 100,000 people.
The ISIS attack would have been near impossible to foreclose â short of ending the evacuation mission. There were throngs of Afghans and others hanging around the gates, desperate to get out of the country. The US military had to man those gates. The situation was ripe for the kind of attack that occurred. The Biden administration knew that it was operating under this peril, but was determined to continue the mission until August 31. In fact, many, including allies, were critical of the US withdrawing by even that date if the evacuations were not completed.
A blunder and then a mess that was made messier because of that blunder.
None of these policeman died as a result of any injuries sustained in the riot.
Try again. One most certainly did (unless the timing of his strokes was incidental) and the others Iâm sure all had plans to commit suicide on their personal calendars shortly after the insurrection happened. I guess you must have have also missed the the first-hand testimony of the Capitol police guards and how they were beaten and in fear for their personal well-being when this all went down?
I guess they were all liars too?
You love to play word games when you donât have much of an argument to make.
What dead policemen? Brian D. Sicknick,Gunther Hashida, Kyle deFreytag, Jeffrey Smith, Howard Liebengood. Does knowing their exact names make it more concrete for you?
Try again.
None of these policeman died as a result of any injuries sustained in the riot.
Which dead policeman ? Name them or find a reference.
While some were beaten and injured, none were killed or died as a result of any injuries.
Let's make this clear, once again ... There was a riot and all who broke laws should be prosecuted.
I saw the entire speech and kept on watching afterwards long into the evening. I saw a Capitol building with almost zero police guarding it and those who were, were letting people into the building and even taking selfies with the protesters. How many protesters were found carrying guns ? If this was an insurrection by your standards, you set a bar that is so low that no one would even stub a toe coming into contact with it.
I chose not to engage in the ongoing cry of insurrection because all of you lunatics were beyond obsessed with it and incapable of reasoning. You've been repeating the story so long, you believe it is true no matter what anyone else has to say about it. Now that the FBI has come forward and said after their investigation that this was not an insurrection, I will take you on about this and argue back. Your new found party and its friend and overseer, the MSN has lied to you and leads you around by your nose and you happily oblige.
What dead policemen? Brian D. Sicknick,Gunther Hashida, Kyle deFreytag, Jeffrey Smith, Howard Liebengood. Does knowing their exact names make it more concrete for you?
Please cite the quote from the FBI official that said it was not an insurrection.
Let me make this clear for you. Trump instigated an insurrection (based on a lie that the election was stolen from him) that he hoped would interfere with Congressâ certification of Joe Bidenâs victory. Nothing could be clearer than that and the only lunacy being demonstrated is by your ignorant blind allegiance to a twice impeached liar. You gobble up the lies of the great orange orb like a small baby bird⦠always needy and always hungry for more.
Which dead policeman ? Name them or find a reference.
While some were beaten and injured, none were killed or died as a result of any injuries.
Let's make this clear, once again ... There was a riot and all who broke laws should be prosecuted.
I saw the entire speech and kept on watching afterwards long into the evening. I saw a Capitol building with almost zero police guarding it and those who were, were letting people into the building and even taking selfies with the protesters. How many protesters were found carrying guns ? If this was an insurrection by your standards, you set a bar that is so low that no one would even stub a toe coming into contact with it.
I chose not to engage in the ongoing cry of insurrection because all of you lunatics were beyond obsessed with it and incapable of reasoning. You've been repeating the story so long, you believe it is true no matter what anyone else has to say about it. Now that the FBI has come forward and said after their investigation that this was not an insurrection, I will take you on about this and argue back. Your new found party and its friend and overseer, the MSN has lied to you and leads you around by your nose and you happily oblige.
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Aug 27, 2021 - 6:27pm
kurtster wrote:
Which dead policeman ? Name them or find a reference.
While some were beaten and injured, none were killed or died as a result of any injuries.
Let's make this clear, once again ... There was a riot and all who broke laws should be prosecuted.
I saw the entire speech and kept on watching afterwards long into the evening. I saw a Capitol building with almost zero police guarding it and those who were, were letting people into the building and even taking selfies with the protesters. How many protesters were found carrying guns ? If this was an insurrection by your standards, you set a bar that is so low that no one would even stub a toe coming into contact with it.
I chose not to engage in the ongoing cry of insurrection because all of you lunatics were beyond obsessed with it and incapable of reasoning. You've been repeating the story so long, you believe it is true no matter what anyone else has to say about it. Now that the FBI has come forward and said after their investigation that this was not an insurrection, I will take you on about this and argue back. Your new found party and its friend and overseer, the MSN has lied to you and leads you around by your nose and you happily oblige.
What was the riot about? What triggered it?
Why was the Capitol the target? Was it a coincidence that Congress was in joint session at the time to certify the election results?
No insurrection? Go tell that to the families of the dead policemen.
Which dead policeman ? Name them or find a reference.
While some were beaten and injured, none were killed or died as a result of any injuries.
Let's make this clear, once again ... There was a riot and all who broke laws should be prosecuted.
I saw the entire speech and kept on watching afterwards long into the evening. I saw a Capitol building with almost zero police guarding it and those who were, were letting people into the building and even taking selfies with the protesters. How many protesters were found carrying guns ? If this was an insurrection by your standards, you set a bar that is so low that no one would even stub a toe coming into contact with it.
I chose not to engage in the ongoing cry of insurrection because all of you lunatics were beyond obsessed with it and incapable of reasoning. You've been repeating the story so long, you believe it is true no matter what anyone else has to say about it. Now that the FBI has come forward and said after their investigation that this was not an insurrection, I will take you on about this and argue back. Your new found party and its friend and overseer, the MSN has lied to you and leads you around by your nose and you happily oblige.
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Aug 27, 2021 - 3:11pm
kurtster wrote:
That is not at all what I am saying. Just talking about Biden's handling of this problem. It doesn't need to be compared to anything else. The most previously experienced person ever elected to POTUS to take office and with the bonus of all of his foreign policy expertise. This is his plan and he is executing it all by himself. It is unfolding exactly as he expected and planned and prepared for according to his repeated statements. This is Biden's Plan A. That the best that the USA can do is what we have been and are doing now. Couldn't have been done any better by anyone else. Great plan.
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Or are you saying that it would not be any different regardless of who was making the decisions ?
Has this gone well? No, it has not. Is that all you were seeking to elicit, an acknowledgment that this has not gone well?
It is a made up wet dream by all of you crazy people out there, just like the hookers and golden showers in Moscow. Putin's puppet and all the other outright bullshit.
That you still believe that the spontaneous riot on January 6 was actually a planned and coordinated insurrection tells me all I need to know regarding you going forward.
You probably still believe that there was a Capitol Hill policeman beaten to death with a fire extinguisher during your insurrection.
Have a nice day.
No insurrection? Go tell that to the families of the dead policemen. It was a televised reality witnessed by all of America. I guess the impeachment for "said" insurrection was fictitious too? It doesn't matter how much or little planning might be behind it... Trump's intent to hold onto power was clear and he was trying to use the crowd as a means to that end. Insurrection?... of course there was one... nothing could be clearer.
The fact that you don't believe Trump was inciting an insurrection tells me all I need to know about your profound and bottomless ignorance. You and Mike Lindell ought to consider getting some sort of matching tattoos. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid my friend.
Congrats, I crown thee "King of the Dumbasses" go see Guliani to pick up your crown.
Not vote for Biden. Those who did vote for Biden voted for what is going on right now.
Congrats on uttering perhaps the stupidest statement ever made.
So I guess those who voted for Trump voted for the insurrection as well?
There was no insurrection.
The FBI has spoken on this.
It is a made up wet dream by all of you crazy people out there, just like the hookers and golden showers in Moscow. Putin's puppet and all the other outright bullshit.
That you still believe that the spontaneous riot on January 6 was actually a planned and coordinated insurrection tells me all I need to know regarding you going forward.
You probably still believe that there was a Capitol Hill policeman beaten to death with a fire extinguisher during your insurrection.
It is quite clear that any plans left behind by Trump were discounted and tossed. It has been Biden's plan from day one to undo everything that Trump accomplished over the last four years. Afghanistan is no different. Trump was to have us out by the end of May. Biden disregarded that and came up with his own plan.
On day one Biden killed the Keystone pipeline and just earlier this month was begging OPEC to increase oil production. Defend that one.
Very ironic that you say Biden is working to undo Trump's accomplishments given that was exactly what Trump was doing but I digress...
Please cue me in on Trumpâs plan. The fact is that Trump doesnât plan anything. Never did⦠never will. You had an early taste of that when he threw out Chris Chistieâs transition plan and replaced it with nothing which was a fitting way to usher in Trumpâs sh*t show of an administration. He had a plan for handling a pandemic handed to him which he also ignored because it came from the Obama administration. Plans are his personal kryptonite.
You are dealing in areas that aren't quite as black & white as you would like to believe they are. Even you don't believe that Biden was sitting down on his iPad working out the bullet points of an extraction plan. Yes, the extraction is turning out to be a mess. One big issue is what information was Biden being fed leading to the extraction from his top level military advisors? If different scenarios were mapped out to him and recommendations made as to the best scenario and he chose that scenario based on those recommendations... isn't that what most leaders would do? Was there information that was withheld from him? He ultimately will be responsible for his decision (and will undoubtedly suffer for it) but unless it becomes known that he ignored recommendations that could have resulted in a different outcome... what can one really expect?