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Posted: Jan 24, 2023 - 9:10am

 miamizsun wrote:
in various news feeds i see where the current president seems to have classified docs stashed around his circle
i haven't been keeping up with this saga
on a scale of one to ten how accurate is this reporting?
 
To the best of my knowledge, this is accurate.  There has been discoveries at 3 different locations so far that I know of.  The Biden Center think tank in DC and in two of his personal homes.  Some were just discovered at his Wilmington home when the FBI went in and searched for 12 hours.  They found multiple groups and some or from when he was a US Senator serving on the Intelligence Committee and may date as far back as Nixon.  The Biden team has not allowed the FBI to search anywhere until this last one this weekend.  There is talk about his home at Rehoboth Beach being searched soon.

I also just heard of an email from 2014 from Hunter discussing his access to classified documents for some business dealings.  This according to the NY Post.

Other than this, no big deal.  Joe's not worried.  He has already said that he has "no regrets" about any of this.
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Posted: Jan 24, 2023 - 6:41am

in various news feeds i see where the current president seems to have classified docs stashed around his circle
i haven't been keeping up with this saga
on a scale of one to ten how accurate is this reporting?
VV

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Posted: Jan 16, 2023 - 4:55pm

 kurtster wrote:
Several things.

Yes it was a riot as far as I am concerned. To call it an insurrection is a far fetched fantasy in that there is no way it would have succeeded even if it was the way it went down. Hardly anyone was armed and while it slowed things down, there is no way I can see where it would have either worked or lasted longer than it did if this was an actual attempt to nullify the vote, take over the government or any part of it.

You want to talk about a real insurrection ? How about the raid on Harper's Ferry ? You do know about Harper's Ferry or should. It was taught in our HS in 11th grade and for all I know, we probably had the same history teacher with the school being as small as it was.

The label "raid" was not used at the time. A month after the attack, a Baltimore newspaper listed 26 terms used, including "insurrection", "rebellion", "treason", and "crusade". "Raid" was not among them.<3>: 4 

In this context, tell me why the assault on the Federal Courthouse in Portland was not an attempted "Insurrection" ? You refuse to call that an insurrection. What is the difference between that and Harper's Ferry ? Both are federal government structures and part of the federal government.

Moving on, I have never condoned this riot in any way, shape or form. I have always said that the rioters should be prosecuted and the procedures involving security at the Capitol be investigated. It may be just me, but considering what was going on inside, it would warrant a much higher level of security than was present.

I didn't say the Capitol Policeman that shot the protestor was wrong, just that he did and the protestor shot was the only person who actually died that day during the protest. And that the protestor was unarmed. Is this not factually correct ? And that it needed to be investigated along with everything else.

This is pretty much all that I have ever said about January 6, 2021.

Not sure what you are rattling on about, but you could have saved yourself a lot of time by just saying: “Yes, what you wrote pretty much sums up my thoughts about January 6th.”


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Posted: Jan 16, 2023 - 12:48pm

 ColdMiser wrote:


anybody not named Harris


agreed
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Posted: Jan 16, 2023 - 12:17pm

 kurtster wrote:


" To call it an insurrection is a far fetched fantasy in that there is no way it would have succeeded even if it was the way it went down."

Kurt, none of Trump's attempts to overturn the election were going to succeed.

Doomed to failure:

* The calls to Raffensperger and other officials in battleground states to "find" votes for Trump. 

* The  attempts to create slates of alternate Electors who'd vote for Trump. 

* The attempt to have DOJ void the election. 

* The merit-less lawsuits alleging massive voting fraud.

* Trump's demand that VP Pence void the Electoral College votes.

* The attempt to disrupt the pro-forma  counting of Electoral College votes with a riot and invasion of the Capitol building.

AFAICT, the legally salient factor here is the intent driving these attempts, NOT chances of their success. 

If I walk into a bank with a big goofy Super soaker water gun and demand the tellers give me all the money, I can still be tried for attempted bank robbery.

As for Trump, it may be difficult to gather sufficient evidence that he helped plan in advance the storming of the Capitol, so he may not be charged with seditious conspiracy. But that was not a spontaneous riot with no clear purpose. 

Sorry.

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Posted: Jan 16, 2023 - 10:41am

 kurtster wrote:

Several things. . . .

Several members of the Oath Keepers recently were found guilty of seditious conspiracy for their plans for and actions on January 6. A trial of several members of the Proud Boys on the same charge is ongoing.

I will keep it simple: What were those who forcibly entered the Capitol and searched for members of Congress trying to achieve? What was their goal?  

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Posted: Jan 16, 2023 - 7:21am

 Red_Dragon wrote:


So, who are the Dems gonna stand up? Elizabeth Warren? Cory Booker?


anybody not named Harris
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Posted: Jan 16, 2023 - 5:34am

 kurtster wrote:
I didn't say the Capitol Policeman that shot the protestor was wrong, just that he did and the protestor shot was the only person who actually died that day during the protest.  And that the protestor was unarmed.  Is this not factually correct ?  And  that it needed to be investigated along with everything else.

Your argument is a bit like saying "only a few dozen people were killed when the planes crashed into the twin towers on 9/11".  

Factually correct.... as long as you're willing to ignore the damage inflicted by those actions that killed another 2,700 or so people.  

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Posted: Jan 16, 2023 - 1:22am

 VV wrote:
 
Well, that's because he's never acknowledged the insurrection as being such. Things there were never as bad as others have made them to be. A relatively innocent protester lost their life as a result of an overzealous and unnecessarily deadly Capitol Security person's response which has never been properly investigated. 
 
These aren't my thoughts mind you... just "channeling" the dark side. 
 
Several things.

Yes it was a riot as far as I am concerned.  To call it an insurrection is a far fetched fantasy in that there is no way it would have succeeded even if it was the way it went down.  Hardly anyone was armed and while it slowed things down, there is no way I can see where it would have either worked or lasted longer than it did if this was an actual attempt to nullify the vote, take over the government or any part of it.

You want to talk about a real insurrection ?  How about the raid on Harper's Ferry ?  You do know about Harper's Ferry or should.  It was taught in our HS in 11th grade and for all I know, we probably had the same history teacher with the school being as small as it was.

The label "raid" was not used at the time. A month after the attack, a Baltimore newspaper listed 26 terms used, including "insurrection", "rebellion", "treason", and "crusade". "Raid" was not among them.[3]: 4 

In this context, tell me why the assault on the Federal Courthouse in Portland was not an attempted "Insurrection" ?  You refuse to call that an insurrection.  What is the difference between that and Harper's Ferry ?  Both are federal government structures and part of the federal government.  

Moving on, I have never condoned this riot in any way, shape or form.  I have always said that the rioters should be prosecuted and the procedures involving security at the Capitol be investigated.  It may be just me, but considering what was going on inside, it would warrant a much higher level of security than was present.

I didn't say the Capitol Policeman that shot the protestor was wrong, just that he did and the protestor shot was the only person who actually died that day during the protest.  And that the protestor was unarmed.  Is this not factually correct ?  And  that it needed to be investigated along with everything else.

This is pretty much all that I have ever said about January 6, 2021.
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Posted: Jan 15, 2023 - 1:24pm

 Steely_D wrote:


I will accept any ticket with Buttigieg, Whitmer, or Klobuchar on it.




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Posted: Jan 15, 2023 - 1:16pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


So, who are the Dems gonna stand up? Elizabeth Warren? Cory Booker?


I will accept any ticket with Buttigieg, Whitmer, or Klobuchar on it.
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Posted: Jan 15, 2023 - 1:01pm

 Steely_D wrote:

The good thing about all this is that he shouldn't run again - and this will seal the deal. Exactly what the Demoncrats need. (And it doesn't at all stop the investigation into TFG) 



So, who are the Dems gonna stand up? Elizabeth Warren? Cory Booker?
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Posted: Jan 15, 2023 - 11:50am

The good thing about all this is that he shouldn't run again - and this will seal the deal. Exactly what the Demoncrats need. (And it doesn't at all stop the investigation into TFG) 
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Posted: Jan 13, 2023 - 9:37am


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Posted: Jan 13, 2023 - 9:25am

 VV wrote:

Well, that's because he's never acknowledged the insurrection as being such. Things there were never as bad as others have made them to be. A relatively innocent protester lost their life as a result of an overzealous and unnecessarily deadly Capitol Security person's response which has never been properly investigated. 


Don't forget, all of this happened following the BLM summer when "y'all" supported the destruction of property and looting by the woke mob and Antifa.

To appreciate the similarities, you just need to normalize all riots. 

Ignore the difference of one being part of a coup d’état that proceeded on two fronts: As the rioters occupied the Capitol and disrupted the process of certifying the Electoral College votes, Trump’s legal minions sought madly for some pretext upon which to nullify the election.  All based on a lie.
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Posted: Jan 13, 2023 - 9:12am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

It's more of you failing to make the connection. I was okay with the toy-gun-guy getting shot (right up until the coup de grace, when it became murder). I was also 100% okay with capitol guards opening fire and to this day I don't understand how or why more (100s more) weren't dropped before they had a chance to even break in. When I see an armed police officer, I assume I will be shot in the face if I attack him or whatever he's protecting. That's why they carry guns. If they're going to carry guns, they have to back it up. But here you are, cheerleading a guy who unloaded on a thug, but not cheerleading a guy who unloaded on a thug. 


Well, that's because he's never acknowledged the insurrection as being such. Things there were never as bad as others have made them to be. A relatively innocent protester lost their life as a result of an overzealous and unnecessarily deadly Capitol Security person's response which has never been properly investigated. 
 
These aren't my thoughts mind you... just "channeling" the dark side. 

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Posted: Jan 13, 2023 - 8:14am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

It's more of you failing to make the connection. I was okay with the toy-gun-guy getting shot (right up until the coup de grace, when it became murder). I was also 100% okay with capitol guards opening fire and to this day I don't understand how or why more (100s more) weren't dropped before they had a chance to even break in. When I see an armed police officer, I assume I will be shot in the face if I attack him or whatever he's protecting. That's why they carry guns. If they're going to carry guns, they have to back it up. But here you are, cheerleading a guy who unloaded on a thug, but not cheerleading a guy who unloaded on a thug. 



His only consistency is inconsistency. 
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Posted: Jan 13, 2023 - 7:30am

 kurtster wrote:

No, this is a response to Scott's comments in another thread where he made this connection.  I inquired to what he meant but never got a reply.  So I said this as an assumption to the point he was trying to make.

CLICKY

I've had enough excitement for today.  Time for a nap.


It's more of you failing to make the connection. I was okay with the toy-gun-guy getting shot (right up until the coup de grace, when it became murder). I was also 100% okay with capitol guards opening fire and to this day I don't understand how or why more (100s more) weren't dropped before they had a chance to even break in. When I see an armed police officer, I assume I will be shot in the face if I attack him or whatever he's protecting. That's why they carry guns. If they're going to carry guns, they have to back it up. But here you are, cheerleading a guy who unloaded on a thug, but not cheerleading a guy who unloaded on a thug. 

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Posted: Jan 12, 2023 - 8:46pm

 islander wrote:

You mean by not having protesters storm the capital right? And calling them protesters after they broke windows/doors, assaulted guards, and went into the nations capitol causing havoc and vandalism is VERY generous. At the point they were breaking into the capitol, more of them deserved harsher treatment. 

If only they had lined up to go through the metal detectors
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Posted: Jan 12, 2023 - 7:20pm

 steeler wrote:

You keep bringing up in several contexts this “unarmed protester” shot on January 6. She and others were attempting to break through a substantial barricade to gain entry to an area where members of Congress were located.  The Capitol Police officer who shot her after she ignored warnings viewed it as a “last resort” to save lives of those members. He was not aware she was unarmed. Threats had been made by those seeking to break through. It was an unfortunate tragedy, and, in hindsight, it could have been avoided, but, under the circumstances, she was not an innocent murdered by the Capitol Police.



You mean by not having protesters storm the capital right? And calling them protesters after they broke windows/doors, assaulted guards, and went into the nations capitol causing havoc and vandalism is VERY generous. At the point they were breaking into the capitol, more of them deserved harsher treatment. 
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