Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Jul 12, 2020 - 9:09am
Lazy8 wrote:
sirdroseph wrote:
Depends on who you talk to within the movement. The most diplomatic side of the movement wants as you say, but the spectrum goes all the way to abolish the police completely and all ranges in between those two. And again:
de·fund/dÄËfÉnd/ Learn to pronounce verbUSverb: defund; 3rd person present: defunds; past tense: defunded; past participle: defunded; gerund or present participle: defunding; verb: de-fund; 3rd person present: de-funds; past tense: de-funded; past participle: de-funded; gerund or present participle: de-funding
prevent from continuing to receive funds."the California Legislature has defunded the Industrial Welfare Commission"
Takes me about 2 seconds to say reform or reduce the budget and then you have a grown up conversation. Maybe I should be a movement leader or pr person.
Stick a microphone in random faces at a protest and you'll eventually get someone to say something incendiary you can use on that night's broadcast to cast the movement in whatever light you want.
Even the folks calling for disbanding police forces (which has actually happened in a number of places, generally to positive effect) aren't talking about sending the 911 operators home and leaving the streets to gangs of roaming looters. They generally mean starting over with the police department, getting rid of an entrenched culture of brutality and domination. This often means firing the entire force and rehiring new officers and leadership, hopefully with a structure more responsive to the community. When a tree is rotten you don't prune the branches, you cut it down and replant.
Depends on who you talk to within the movement. The most diplomatic side of the movement wants as you say, but the spectrum goes all the way to abolish the police completely and all ranges in between those two. And again:
de·fund/dÄËfÉnd/ Learn to pronounce verbUSverb: defund; 3rd person present: defunds; past tense: defunded; past participle: defunded; gerund or present participle: defunding; verb: de-fund; 3rd person present: de-funds; past tense: de-funded; past participle: de-funded; gerund or present participle: de-funding
prevent from continuing to receive funds."the California Legislature has defunded the Industrial Welfare Commission"
Takes me about 2 seconds to say reform or reduce the budget and then you have a grown up conversation. Maybe I should be a movement leader or pr person.
Stick a microphone in random faces at a protest and you'll eventually get someone to say something incendiary you can use on that night's broadcast to cast the movement in whatever light you want.
Even the folks calling for disbanding police forces (which has actually happened in a number of places, generally to positive effect) aren't talking about sending the 911 operators home and leaving the streets to gangs of roaming looters. They generally mean starting over with the police department, getting rid of an entrenched culture of brutality and domination. This often means firing the entire force and rehiring new officers and leadership, hopefully with a structure more responsive to the community. When a tree is rotten you don't prune the branches, you cut it down and replant.
While the amount is significant ($1.4B), be careful about assumptions regarding the insurance world. I have spent the last 15 years at a few of the largest insurance companies going.
"Catastrophe" (or Cat) for insurance organizations is important for reporting purposes. Cat losses are "isolated" and discussed as something "outside the normal course of business". It's a useful tool when explaining performance within the industry. If it weren't a Cat event, insurance companies would have to explain higher loss ratios without the sort of "get out of jail free" card a CAT provides.
Losses are not always a bad thing. Rates will "harden" or increase now for everyone, and without similar events over the next few years, the BLM riots will be a revenue event for the industry...not a loss.
For comparison purposes... the California wildfires in "Paradise" and other CA towns in 2017 cost insurance companies $12B, and forced bankruptcy proceedings for PG&E.
"No, I don't support defunding the police. I support conditioning federal aid to police based on whether or not they meet certain basic standards of decency and honorableness," he said.
Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill were adopting a similar position.
âI canât imagine that happening in a federal way,â Rep. Karen Bass (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, said when asked about efforts to defund the police.
The messaging for this campaign is so sloppy it almost looks like they wanted to fail.
"Defund" in this context does not mean "zero the budget", it means "shift some of the police budget to social services". That's an awful lot to try and explain when someone as already decided you're a revolutionary kook. Speaking English would have been so much easier.
Biden has probably decided it's either not worth the time to explain or that it would cost him more in support with public employee unions than it would get among urban voters.
Or he just can't comprehend the concept of reducing a budget, ever.
I wonder if anyone would have paid attention without the incendiary rhetoric? It certainly got the idea noticed.
Oh I don't know I think some other stuff might have gotten some attention too:
"No, I don't support defunding the police. I support conditioning federal aid to police based on whether or not they meet certain basic standards of decency and honorableness," he said.
Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill were adopting a similar position.
âI canât imagine that happening in a federal way,â Rep. Karen Bass (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, said when asked about efforts to defund the police.
The messaging for this campaign is so sloppy it almost looks like they wanted to fail.
"Defund" in this context does not mean "zero the budget", it means "shift some of the police budget to social services". That's an awful lot to try and explain when someone as already decided you're a revolutionary kook. Speaking English would have been so much easier.
Biden has probably decided it's either not worth the time to explain or that it would cost him more in support with public employee unions than it would get among urban voters.
Or he just can't comprehend the concept of reducing a budget, ever.
Depends on who you talk to within the movement. The most diplomatic side of the movement wants as you say, but the spectrum goes all the way to abolish the police completely and all ranges in between those two. And again:
de·fund/dÄËfÉnd/ Learn to pronounce verbUSverb: defund; 3rd person present: defunds; past tense: defunded; past participle: defunded; gerund or present participle: defunding; verb: de-fund; 3rd person present: de-funds; past tense: de-funded; past participle: de-funded; gerund or present participle: de-funding
prevent from continuing to receive funds."the California Legislature has defunded the Industrial Welfare Commission"
Takes me about 2 seconds to say reform or reduce the budget and then you have a grown up conversation. Maybe I should be a movement leader or pr person.
"No, I don't support defunding the police. I support conditioning federal aid to police based on whether or not they meet certain basic standards of decency and honorableness," he said.
Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill were adopting a similar position.
âI canât imagine that happening in a federal way,â Rep. Karen Bass (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, said when asked about efforts to defund the police.
The messaging for this campaign is so sloppy it almost looks like they wanted to fail.
"Defund" in this context does not mean "zero the budget", it means "shift some of the police budget to social services". That's an awful lot to try and explain when someone as already decided you're a revolutionary kook. Speaking English would have been so much easier.
Biden has probably decided it's either not worth the time to explain or that it would cost him more in support with public employee unions than it would get among urban voters.
Or he just can't comprehend the concept of reducing a budget, ever.
I wonder if anyone would have paid attention without the incendiary rhetoric? It certainly got the idea noticed.
"No, I don't support defunding the police. I support conditioning federal aid to police based on whether or not they meet certain basic standards of decency and honorableness," he said.
Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill were adopting a similar position.
âI canât imagine that happening in a federal way,â Rep. Karen Bass (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, said when asked about efforts to defund the police.
The messaging for this campaign is so sloppy it almost looks like they wanted to fail.
"Defund" in this context does not mean "zero the budget", it means "shift some of the police budget to social services". That's an awful lot to try and explain when someone as already decided you're a revolutionary kook. Speaking English would have been so much easier.
Biden has probably decided it's either not worth the time to explain or that it would cost him more in support with public employee unions than it would get among urban voters.
Or he just can't comprehend the concept of reducing a budget, ever.
"No, I don't support defunding the police. I support conditioning federal aid to police based on whether or not they meet certain basic standards of decency and honorableness," he said.
Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill were adopting a similar position.
âI canât imagine that happening in a federal way,â Rep. Karen Bass (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, said when asked about efforts to defund the police.
"No, I don't support defunding the police. I support conditioning federal aid to police based on whether or not they meet certain basic standards of decency and honorableness," he said.
Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill were adopting a similar position.
“I can’t imagine that happening in a federal way,” Rep. Karen Bass (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, said when asked about efforts to defund the police.
George Will wrote a good column about a solid VP candidate, Karen Bass. His recommendation is backed with specifics about her qualifications too. Interesting read. c.
Not for nothing, but the subject of this thread is Joe Biden. You have to scroll down pretty far to find a comment remotely related to him. Perhaps you can take your little party here to a new thread for Democratic Socialism? As it stands, Joe Biden isn't even remotely close to being a Democratic Socialist. For those of you playing at home, that would have been Bernie Sanders.
Unless the goal is to hijack every single thread even slightly related to politics with personal axes to grind. If so - fabulous job.
I'm not the hall monitor, just interested in the actual topic, which started here 12 years ago. I'm not going to play the game of posting something relevant here just to have it pulled off topic, again and again and again.....
LOL
Well maybe if Joe would get out the basement more and give us some news to chatter about.
And maybe if you had the balls to attempt an actual civil dialog on topic rather than post clips from your favorite far right wind sources, you wouldn't be the joke you are out here.
You first!
If & when you can manage to demonstrate that interacting with you is anything other than a waste of time, I might give it a shot. At this point, your show is blatantly obvious (not mention tediously boring) & I'm not remotely interested in being an actor in your little passion play.
If & when you can manage to demonstrate that interacting with you is anything other than a waste of time, I might give it a shot. At this point, your show is blatantly obvious (not mention tediously boring) & I'm not remotely interested in wasting my time with your unwavering adherence to liberal doctrine and contempt for any non-liberal opinion, particularly conservative. #NEWRULES
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Jun 29, 2020 - 8:36am
cc_rider wrote:
buddy wrote:
Not for nothing, but the subject of this thread is Joe Biden. You have to scroll down pretty far to find a comment remotely related to him. Perhaps you can take your little party here to a new thread for Democratic Socialism? As it stands, Joe Biden isn't even remotely close to being a Democratic Socialist. For those of you playing at home, that would have been Bernie Sanders.
Unless the goal is to hijack every single thread even slightly related to politics with personal axes to grind. If so - fabulous job.
I'm not the hall monitor, just interested in the actual topic, which started here 12 years ago. I'm not going to play the game of posting something relevant here just to have it pulled off topic, again and again and again.....
Thanks, Speaking of Mr. Biden, apparently his former boss plans to come out of hiding and support his campaign. Finally. I get it, Obama doesn't want to overshadow the guy, but still.
Not to mention, Obama has been far nicer to his successor than his successor ever was to him. Obama occupies a special place in Trump's head. Rent free. c.
Obama has been and is presidential. I think he has shown remarkable restraint the past 3 1/2 years.
if I were the Biden campaign, I would be having he and Michelle campaign regularly in Milwaukee, Detroit, Philadelphia in the fall election run-up. Hilary did not do as well as her campaign thought it would in turning out voters in those cities. And she did not lose those swing states by all that much.
Not for nothing, but the subject of this thread is Joe Biden. You have to scroll down pretty far to find a comment remotely related to him. Perhaps you can take your little party here to a new thread for Democratic Socialism? As it stands, Joe Biden isn't even remotely close to being a Democratic Socialist. For those of you playing at home, that would have been Bernie Sanders.
Unless the goal is to hijack every single thread even slightly related to politics with personal axes to grind. If so - fabulous job.
I'm not the hall monitor, just interested in the actual topic, which started here 12 years ago. I'm not going to play the game of posting something relevant here just to have it pulled off topic, again and again and again.....
LOL
Well maybe if Joe would get out the basement more and give us some news to chatter about.
And maybe if you had the balls to attempt an actual civil dialog on topic rather than post clips from your favorite far right wind sources, you wouldn't be the joke you are out here.
Not for nothing, but the subject of this thread is Joe Biden. You have to scroll down pretty far to find a comment remotely related to him. Perhaps you can take your little party here to a new thread for Democratic Socialism? As it stands, Joe Biden isn't even remotely close to being a Democratic Socialist. For those of you playing at home, that would have been Bernie Sanders.
Unless the goal is to hijack every single thread even slightly related to politics with personal axes to grind. If so - fabulous job.
I'm not the hall monitor, just interested in the actual topic, which started here 12 years ago. I'm not going to play the game of posting something relevant here just to have it pulled off topic, again and again and again.....
LOL
Well maybe if Joe would get out the basement more and give us some news to chatter about.
Not for nothing, but the subject of this thread is Joe Biden. You have to scroll down pretty far to find a comment remotely related to him. Perhaps you can take your little party here to a new thread for Democratic Socialism? As it stands, Joe Biden isn't even remotely close to being a Democratic Socialist. For those of you playing at home, that would have been Bernie Sanders.
Unless the goal is to hijack every single thread even slightly related to politics with personal axes to grind. If so - fabulous job.
I'm not the hall monitor, just interested in the actual topic, which started here 12 years ago. I'm not going to play the game of posting something relevant here just to have it pulled off topic, again and again and again.....
Thanks, Speaking of Mr. Biden, apparently his former boss plans to come out of hiding and support his campaign. Finally. I get it, Obama doesn't want to overshadow the guy, but still.
Not to mention, Obama has been far nicer to his successor than his successor ever was to him. Obama occupies a special place in Trump's head. Rent free. c.
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