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Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 2:08pm

 Ivanhoe wrote:

It is ok. You guys all are ok.
Manufactured consent dominates this place, and I have no intent to engage in more war. I am a pacifist at heart, seemingly unwanted here. 

That's it for me. Hey guys...



Please mean it. So long!
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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 1:25pm

 Ivanhoe wrote:

You happily jumped on it, by answering that post of mine. Perhaps without reading what you're answering to... 
Tsss....

Ok, wait... upon second reading you were hinting around at the fact that the site was full of Russian propaganda and therefore not a reputable source.

...my bad.
steeler

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 1:22pm

 Ivanhoe wrote:

It is ok. You guys all are ok.
Manufactured consent dominates this place, and I have no intent to engage in more war. I am a pacifist at heart, seemingly unwanted here. 

That's it for me. Hey guys...


Here again you have dismissed contrasting views of others as a starting point while inexplicably stating the opposite to be the case. This forum is not a monolith. 


VV

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 1:18pm

 Ivanhoe wrote:

Nope. I named it as an alternative 'narrative'. No more, no less. Try to be fair, please. Always ready to judge, some of you guys seem to be. Always ready to CANCEL any different viewpoint. 
This does not make the world a better place, but the oppposite.

Is this a place to discuss, as a forum should be, or is it only a place to attack any views differing from the corporate media and politics agenda, I wonder.

I'm happy to say that any narrative on a Russian propaganda site gets an "auto-cancel" from me. Even if that narrative would lean a little pro-NATO. Just like I would apply an auto-cancel to anything anyone might send me on a site that is affiliated with White Supremacy and/or Hate Groups. Be forewarned Flat Earthers... same goes for you guys as well.   


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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 1:03pm

 Ivanhoe wrote:

Nope. I named it as an alternative 'narrative'. No more, no less. Try to be fair, please. Always ready to judge, some of you guys seem to be. Always ready to CANCEL any different viewpoint. 
This does not make the world a better place, but the oppposite.

Is this a place to discuss, as a forum should be, or is it only a place to attack any views differing from the corporate media and politics agenda, I wonder.


It seems to me that you are the one dismissing other “narratives” as “propaganda.” 
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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 1:01pm

 Ivanhoe wrote:

Nope. I named it as an alternative 'narrative'. No more, no less. Try to be fair, please. Always ready to judge, some of you guys seem to be. Always ready to CANCEL any different viewpoint. 
This does not make the world a better place, but the opposite.

Is this a place to discuss, as a forum should be, or is it only a place to attack any views differing from the corporate media and politics agenda, I wonder.


And - as seems obvious at this point - no one in this forum seems at all willing to buy your "alternative narratives", why are you still here? Why not abandon us closed-minded fools to our own devices and take your valuable perspectives elsewhere, where they might be better received?
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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 1:00pm

 VV wrote:

No you didn't.  Where was that stated?

Unless you have made that statement in a past post. Sorry, I don't necessarily back-scroll to try and catch up on every post made.

You happily jumped on it, by answering that post of mine. Perhaps without reading what you're answering to... 
Tsss....
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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 12:57pm

 steeler wrote:
The “MSM” reporting on the war in Ukraine is “propaganda” and the analysis of the Strategic Culture Foundation is an “alternative view” and, presumably, the “truth.” Got it. 

Nope. I named it as an alternative 'narrative'. No more, no less. Try to be fair, please. Always ready to judge, some of you guys seem to be. Always ready to CANCEL any different viewpoint. 
This does not make the world a better place, but the oppposite.

Is this a place to discuss, as a forum should be, or is it only a place to attack any views differing from the corporate media and politics agenda, I wonder.
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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 12:55pm

 Ivanhoe wrote:


You're absolutely not getting 'my points'. I was not trying to 'score any one point' here, at all. I told you before it is a pro-Russian think-tank within the US, that I quoted. So, no Russians. And no need for you to repeat that in a long Wiki quote. If you read my post. And the article. I don't quote anything unread. Perhaps you do, at times? But what the heck. 
What I tried was, to deliver an alternative view to the MSM propaganda. Remember, the first victim of an ongoing war is truth.
'nough said.

No you didn't.  Where was that stated?

Unless you have made that statement in a past post. Sorry, I don't necessarily back-scroll to try and catch up on every post made.

FYI, I can make as long as a WikiPost as I like comrade. Here in America and on RP we have that right.

So... let me get this straight... you answer to MSM "propaganda" is Russian propaganda? If you are really ambitious maybe you can locate and translate some Chinese propaganda articles while you are at it. Besides I don't even know what MSM "propaganda" you have an objection with that you felt you needed to counter it with Russian propaganda. You want to sell the "Putin was pushed/justified into what he is doing" argument... sorry I'm not buying. 

Yes, the first victim of an ongoing war is truth which is why Putin has done his best to kill off "figuratively and literally" those sources that would seek to expose it. Your source: Strategic Culture Foundation connected (as it is) to Russian propaganda isn't interested in truth. Seems that you're in need of a "strategic" rethinking of your geo-political views.  

'nough said. 


steeler

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 12:49pm

 Ivanhoe wrote:


You're absolutely not getting 'my points'. I was not trying to 'score any one point' here, at all. I told you before it is a pro-Russian think-tank within the US, that I quoted. So, no Russians. And no need for you to repeat that in a long Wiki quote. If you read my post. And the article. I don't quote anything unread. Perhaps you do, at times? But what the heck. 
What I tried was, to deliver an alternative view to the MSM propaganda. Remember, the first victim of an ongoing war is truth.
'nough said.


The “MSM” reporting on the war in Ukraine is “propaganda” and the analysis of the Strategic Culture Foundation is an “alternative view” and, presumably, the “truth.” Got it. 

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 12:12pm

Here's another, non Russian source you keep asking for at this time:

By using Ukraine to fight Russia, the US provoked Putin's war


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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 11:58am

 VV wrote:

No need to check those articles... as you will need to find other "valid" non-Russian propaganda sources to try and make your points. 



You're absolutely not getting 'my points'. I was not trying to 'score any one point' here, at all. I told you before it is a pro-Russian think-tank within the US, that I quoted. So, no Russians. And no need for you to repeat that in a long Wiki quote. If you read my post. And the article. I don't quote anything unread. Perhaps you do, at times? But what the heck. 
What I tried was, to deliver an alternative view to the MSM propaganda. Remember, the first victim of an ongoing war is truth.
'nough said.

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 11:38am

In Europe, the reaction to Biden’s Putin comments is mixed.
After President Biden called President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia a “butcher” and said that he could not remain in power, European officials reacted with a mix of rejection and admiration. The French and British governments distanced themselves from Mr. Biden’s remarks and the prospect of regime change, while others welcomed his blunt tone.

“I wouldn’t use this kind of words,” President Emmanuel Macron of France said in a television interview on Sunday after he was asked to comment on Mr. Biden’s speech. He said he hoped to obtain a cease-fire and the withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine through diplomacy.

“If we want to do this, we mustn’t escalate,” he said, “neither with words nor with actions.”

Britain’s government took a similar stance. (...)

The comment risked “turning the war for the defense of Ukraine to a familiar one of American aggression,” Patrick Wintour, the Guardian’s diplomatic editor, wrote on Sunday, “Any unseating of Russia’s president is that country’s business, not that of the U.S. president.” He called the remarks “a badly needed gift” to a Russian government that is skilled at depicting the United States as an “imperialistic bully.” (...)

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 11:19am

 Ivanhoe wrote:


Correctamundo. Yet, the thoughts given in that article are part of a greater narrative, detailing western hegemony, Maidan, etc. If one follows that (greater) narrative, the conclusion I gave seems quite evident (maybe not only to me).

If in doubt, check their articles here.


No need to check those articles... as you will need to find other "valid" non-Russian propaganda sources to try and make your points. 

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 11:16am

 steeler wrote:

I tried to. It is possible it is way over my head . . . Or it essentially is gibberish.



Yea, unfortunately I wasted on my time on it and unless you wish to read and support Russian propaganda... not worth spending any time on. This is what I found about the online site it is posted on:

Strategic Culture Foundation
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Strategic Culture Foundation is a Russian think tank that primarily publishes an online current affairs magazine of the same name. It is regarded as an arm of Russian state interests by the United States government.

According to a 2020 United States Department of State report, the Strategic Culture Foundation is directed by Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service, and is closely affiliated with Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

It has been characterized as a conservative, pro-Russian propaganda website by U.S. media.

Strategic Culture Foundation has a pattern of sharing articles with other Russia-controlled outlets such as Global Research, New Eastern Outlook, and SouthFront.

The Washington Post reported in September 2020 that Facebook had banned a Russian disinformation network operated by the Strategic Culture Foundation — a network that “helped spread conspiracy theories aimed at English-speaking audiences, including by fueling false rumors that the coronavirus was produced as a bioweapon and that a potential vaccine would include tracking technology.” The Post’s report stated that the Strategic Culture Foundation “also spread false information that Bill Gates, the tech executive and philanthropist, was leading efforts to create a vaccine with surveillance capabilities.” The Post’s report called the Strategic Culture Foundation “a phony think tank”.

In April 2021, the United States Department of the Treasury imposed sanctions on the Strategic Culture Foundation because of their efforts to influence US elections.



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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 11:11am

 kurtster wrote:
Still no buyers remorse ?

Didn't buy anything. Already stumpin' for more Trump?
steeler

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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 9:43am

 VV wrote:

Read the article. Saw nothing in it about Putin being baited to do anything. Sounds like you are pushing that conclusion… not the author.


I tried to. It is possible it is way over my head . . . Or it essentially is gibberish.


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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 9:40am

 Ivanhoe wrote:
 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
psst... you're dealing with a German neo-Nazi who for months saw in Putin a possible strong-man to save us all from the terrors of pluralism and liberal democracy - the kind of guy who will bring us all back to the straight and narrow. 
Just Ivanhoe hasn't got the balls to admit openly that he is actually a fascist and now that Putin has unmasked the dark side of the whole fascist enterprise, laying siege to civilian populations and killing civilians in a direct rerun of Nazi Germany's occupation of Russia/Ukraine in 1941, all Ivanhoe can do is grasp for a ridiculously incoherent argument that paints Putin as some kind of victim of the "heinous liberal order".

Your accusation has been recorded and forwarded to the board management. I am not talking to you anymore, since this is only one in a number of ad-hominems you played on me, pretending you have the sole right of 'truth' and 'glory' in yo little shameful ass.
 
oh, I am sorry, I thought you thought that bolded part was a good thing! 

You don't think so? My bad. 
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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 9:37am


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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 9:32am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
psst... you're dealing with a German neo-Nazi who for months saw in Putin a possible strong-man to save us all from the terrors of pluralism and liberal democracy - the kind of guy who will bring us all back to the straight and narrow. 
Just Ivanhoe hasn't got the balls to admit openly that he is actually a fascist and now that Putin has unmasked the dark side of the whole fascist enterprise, laying siege to civilian populations and killing civilians in a direct rerun of Nazi Germany's occupation of Russia/Ukraine in 1941, all Ivanhoe can do is grasp for a ridiculously incoherent argument that paints Putin as some kind of victim of the "heinous liberal order".

You don't seem to be able to discuss politics beyond your own bias.
Your accusation has been recorded and forwarded to the board management. I am not talking to you anymore, since this is only one in a number of ad-hominems you played on me, pretending you have the sole right of 'truth' and 'glory' in yo little shameful ass.

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