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Posted: May 16, 2024 - 1:02am

 Red_Dragon wrote:


You know, you're talking about folks who now proudly wear t-shirts proclaiming "real men wear diapers". Trump can (and probably will) be utterly incoherent during any debate, and they will hail him as The Winner.


That’s the summary
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Posted: May 15, 2024 - 3:29pm

 steeler wrote:

I think Trump definitely has more to lose in a debate with Biden. As I have stated here before, the refrain of Trump and his supporters is and has been that Biden is so cognitively impaired that he essentially is out of it.  If that were true, it should be readily apparent to all during a debate. Trump should not only easily “win” the debate, Biden should look and sound pathetic. If true and exposed in a public debate, it would not just swing the election to Trump, it would raise 25th Amendment issues for Biden. Of course it is not true. Trump and his supporters already have their explanation for how and why the cognitively impaired Biden could hold his own with — or do better than — Trump in a debate: Joe is on performance-enhancing drugs! Yeah, that’s the ticket!



You know, you're talking about folks who now proudly wear t-shirts proclaiming "real men wear diapers". Trump can (and probably will) be utterly incoherent during any debate, and they will hail him as The Winner.
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Posted: May 15, 2024 - 3:03pm

 rgio wrote:

I think people have forgotten how incoherent he is.  They aren't watching his rallies... they aren't seeing him on the news unless they watch Fox/conservative media.  His post-convention return to mainstream media is going to generate a lot of PTSD.  

He thinks that Biden is going to look too old, but I think Trump is setting himself up for a major fall if they do debate.  Joe isn't going to win any awards for debating, but if the mics go off and he gets a chance to show that he's much more of a statesman and leader than Trump, the debates could swing things more for Biden than for Trump (IMO).  We'll see....maybe.

I think Trump definitely has more to lose in a debate with Biden. As I have stated here before, the refrain of Trump and his supporters is and has been that Biden is so cognitively impaired that he essentially is out of it.  If that were true, it should be readily apparent to all during a debate. Trump should not only easily “win” the debate, Biden should look and sound pathetic. If true and exposed in a public debate, it would not just swing the election to Trump, it would raise 25th Amendment issues for Biden. Of course it is not true. Trump and his supporters already have their explanation for how and why the cognitively impaired Biden could hold his own with — or do better than — Trump in a debate: Joe is on performance-enhancing drugs! Yeah, that’s the ticket!

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Posted: May 15, 2024 - 2:56pm

This video of two analytical psychologists discussing Trump's decline with a cognitive psychologist is pretty interesting. Yes it's long but the clinical psychologist Vince Greenwood shows up at around 26:30 and compares Biden's "aging brain" with Trump's dementia. 

AGING AND DEMENTIA are not the same.  Greenwood states that Biden is showing normal signs of aging but Trump is showing worsening signs of dementia, assertions that he backs up by analysis of their public statements. 

Again, this is long—about an hour. But the meat of the discussion starts with Greenwood. If you're so inclined, you can speed up the video to watch it more quickly. 

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Posted: May 15, 2024 - 2:54pm

 steeler wrote:

After the debate between these two in 2020 ended, the one in which Trump would not stop talking/babbling, the video switched to a stunned CNN panel and Dana Bash blurted: “That was a shit show.” 

I think people have forgotten how incoherent he is.  They aren't watching his rallies... they aren't seeing him on the news unless they watch Fox/conservative media.  His post-convention return to mainstream media is going to generate a lot of PTSD.  

He thinks that Biden is going to look too old, but I think Trump is setting himself up for a major fall if they do debate.  Joe isn't going to win any awards for debating, but if the mics go off and he gets a chance to show that he's much more of a statesman and leader than Trump, the debates could swing things more for Biden than for Trump (IMO).  We'll see....maybe.
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Posted: May 15, 2024 - 2:52pm

Interior Dept staffer becomes first Jewish Biden appointee to publicly resign over war in Gaza
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Posted: May 15, 2024 - 1:58pm

 rgio wrote:

He wants nothing to do with the issues... he just wants to complain.  

Moderator:  President Trump, how will you deal with inflation? 

Trump:  "We've got a great big beautiful plan that is going to lower prices on everything... it'll be amazing... you'll see... only I know how to do this... it'll be amazing".

Moderator: "When will we see the details"?

Trump: "We're going to tell everyone how we're gonna do it in 2 weeks, but we don't wanna give away everything, because we don't want to tell Chi-Nah what we're up to... but it'll be amazing... and prices will be lower than ever.  How we let the Soros-funded, radical democrats ruin this place is beyond me... but we'll fix it... and make America great again... it'll be amazing".

He has no plan.  He hasn't a clue.  All he talked about was the stock market...which is at historic highs.  Unemployment... historic lows.  The US economy has grown at twice the rate of the other G7 countries in the past year... Joe just has to deliver some context and facts.  Things under Trump the past 4 years would have been worse.  He is reactionary and ignores advice.

I think the non-MAGA folks have forgotten how terrible his briefings, press conferences, and announcements can be.   They'll remember by November.

After the debate between these two in 2020 ended, the one in which Trump would not stop talking/babbling, the video switched to a stunned CNN panel and Dana Bash blurted: “That was a shit show.” 



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Posted: May 15, 2024 - 1:32pm

 Steely_D wrote:
He’s already saying he wants the crowd. He’ll find a reason. “Oh, I hear my mother calling me.”

He wants nothing to do with the issues... he just wants to complain.  

Moderator:  President Trump, how will you deal with inflation? 

Trump:  "We've got a great big beautiful plan that is going to lower prices on everything... it'll be amazing... you'll see... only I know how to do this... it'll be amazing".

Moderator: "When will we see the details"?

Trump: "We're going to tell everyone how we're gonna do it in 2 weeks, but we don't wanna give away everything, because we don't want to tell Chi-Nah what we're up to... but it'll be amazing... and prices will be lower than ever.  How we let the Soros-funded, radical democrats ruin this place is beyond me... but we'll fix it... and make America great again... it'll be amazing".

He has no plan.  He hasn't a clue.  All he talked about was the stock market...which is at historic highs.  Unemployment... historic lows.  The US economy has grown at twice the rate of the other G7 countries in the past year... Joe just has to deliver some context and facts.  Things under Trump the past 4 years would have been worse.  He is reactionary and ignores advice.

I think the non-MAGA folks have forgotten how terrible his briefings, press conferences, and announcements can be.   They'll remember by November.
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Posted: May 15, 2024 - 1:16pm

 rgio wrote:

He's debating a corpse.  Just ask him.  Prep...for what?   If we know anything, it's that Donnie doesn't do prep, and he doesn't read.

We'll see if he agrees to the no-crowd, mic shutoff rules.  We're a long way from the debate stage.



He’s already saying he wants the crowd. He’ll find a reason. “Oh, I hear my mother calling me.”
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Posted: May 15, 2024 - 1:13pm

 Steely_D wrote:
So now the failed real estate salesman, unwanted for President by most Americans when he failed at a second term, has to juggle all his court battles (he shouldn’t have any, right?) as well as his campaign, as well as - now - “prep” however he does it, for these two debates. His team must look like a stepped on anthill.

He's debating a corpse.  Just ask him.  Prep...for what?   If we know anything, it's that Donnie doesn't do prep, and he doesn't read.

We'll see if he agrees to the no-crowd, mic shutoff rules.  We're a long way from the debate stage.

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Posted: May 15, 2024 - 1:08pm

 rgio wrote:

Trump accepts Biden offer to debate him in June and September

"I'm ready to go," Trump said. "The dates that they proposed are fine. Anywhere. Anytime. Any place. Let's see if Joe can make it to the stand-up podium."

I'll believe it when I see it.  Microphones that cut off are OK, but in a room with 3 people... the microphone won't stop the distraction of Trump talking every 10 seconds.

I think the debates should be on PBS.  Networks shouldn't get a dime.  Also... non-news folks should be the moderators.  Bill Maher and Jon Stewart for example.  Guys who know facts, are comfortable in a conversation and will call BS more than others.  Stewart would be really good at it.


So now the failed real estate salesman, unwanted for President by most Americans when he failed at a second term, has to juggle all his court battles (he shouldn’t have any, right?) as well as his campaign, as well as - now - “prep” however he does it, for these two debates. His team must look like a stepped on anthill.

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Posted: May 15, 2024 - 5:51am

 Steely_D wrote:
Nice move. (Free link) Take the lead and call the bluff. Now he just needs to insist on substantive content instead of answers so vague that no one’s seen anything like it. They’re all saying it. 

Trump accepts Biden offer to debate him in June and September

"I'm ready to go," Trump said. "The dates that they proposed are fine. Anywhere. Anytime. Any place. Let's see if Joe can make it to the stand-up podium."

I'll believe it when I see it.  Microphones that cut off are OK, but in a room with 3 people... the microphone won't stop the distraction of Trump talking every 10 seconds.

I think the debates should be on PBS.  Networks shouldn't get a dime.  Also... non-news folks should be the moderators.  Bill Maher and Jon Stewart for example.  Guys who know facts, are comfortable in a conversation and will call BS more than others.  Stewart would be really good at it.
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Posted: May 15, 2024 - 5:35am

Nice move. (Free link) Take the lead and call the bluff. Now he just needs to insist on substantive content instead of answers so vague that no one’s seen anything like it. They’re all saying it. 
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Posted: May 14, 2024 - 8:37pm

Bidenomics at work ...
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Posted: May 10, 2024 - 9:46pm

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Did you not argue that there was genocide prior to the Hamas terrorist attack that justified explained the attack? Correct me if I am wrong.

But I tell you what is a strawman - using Beaker's posts here as if they somehow have any bearing on Biden's policies. You sure suffer from fuzzy thinking and even fuzzier writing.

Edited to give you the benefit of the doubt. Not sure it is warranted.

I gave you the start of the Oct. 7 posts. So you could be helpful and show (me) where I said what you claim.

Not the brightest kangaroo in the mob...

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Posted: May 10, 2024 - 9:40pm

 R_P wrote:

Fixed it. Misrepresentation of other people's arguments. Your thing I guess.



Did you not argue that there was genocide prior to the Hamas terrorist attack that justified explained the attack? Correct me if I am wrong.

But I tell you what is a strawman - using Beaker's posts here as if they somehow have any bearing on Biden's policies. You sure suffer from fuzzy thinking and even fuzzier writing.

Edited to give you the benefit of the doubt. Not sure it is warranted.
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Posted: May 10, 2024 - 9:01pm

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Fail to see how what you I said is a strawman

Fixed it. Misrepresentation of other people's arguments. Your thing I guess.

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Posted: May 10, 2024 - 8:32pm

 R_P wrote:

Self-serving straw man that's (still) providing cover for a far-right Israeli government (and a complicit US, etc.).

You will find genocidal rhetoric from the usual Israeli suspects and some of our resident RWNs.

Oct. 7




Fail to see how what you said is a strawman
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