JustineFromWyoming wrote: 

I often have dreams about plane crashes, which are very emotional (I can feel my emotions when I dream) and sometimes come true.  I had one of these dreams Thursday night, then this happened and the Fed Ex plane, which crashed yesterday as well.  

Some will say this is coincidence; maybe it is.  But it's happened so many times over the past 20 years that maybe it's more than just coincidence.  Whenever I have these dreams, I always tell people that morning so there are people out there that have been witness to this happening to me on numerous occasions.  It really sucks that I know there's a good possibility something will happen after I have these dreams but can't do anything about it.       

We just watched the Billings, Montana, newscast. No one seems to know where there passengers were from - the flight came from Oroville, but may have been initially from San Diego area.

LA Times article 

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
Very sad.

A small plane crashed Sunday as it approached an airport in Montana, killing 14 to 17 people, including several children, a Federal Aviation Administration spokesman said.

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
More details here.

Natasha Richardson

 mzpro5 wrote: 
Hmmm...and a mounted camera so we could all watch and listen. A new reality show!

 hippiechick wrote: 
There is still a bit of justice in the world.  Now let's give his wife an adjoining cell.

Madoff pleads guilty and goes to jail in handcuffs

NEW YORK — Bernard Madoff pleaded guilty Thursday to an epic fraud that robbed investors worldwide of billions of dollars, avoiding eye contact with swindled investors before he was led out of court with his hands cuffed behind his back.

U.S. District Judge Denny Chin denied bail for Madoff, 70, and ordered him to jail, noting that he had the means to flee and an incentive to do so because of his age.

Madoff spoke steadily in court as he addressed the judge before his guilty plea was accepted.

"I am actually grateful for this opportunity to publicly comment about my crimes, for which I am deeply sorry and ashamed," he said.

"As the years went by, I realized my risk, and this day would inevitably come. I cannot adequately express how sorry I am for my crimes."

Madoff did not look at any of the three investors who spoke at the hearing, even when one of them turned in his direction and tried to address him.

After arguments began as to whether Madoff should remain free on bail, his lawyer Ira Sorkin described the bail conditions and how Madoff had, "at his wife's own expense," paid for private security at his $7 million penthouse.

Loud laughter erupted among some of the more than 100 spectators crammed into the large courtroom on the 24th floor of the federal courthouse in lower Manhattan. The judge warned the spectators to remain silent.

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: 

I thought of you folks when I saw this - terrible to have happened, but I'm glad you're all okay. 

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: 
crazy shit.   headlines today both germany and alabama. 

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
now 16 dead including the guman:

son of a successful businessman
graduated from "Realschule" last year (mid-stream) sounds like he felt like a total loser
fled in his Dad's Porsche..
Dad had 18 guns at home.. bet he's regretting that now.

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: 
Scary random shit. They had one in Alabama yesterday too.

just the other side of town to us...

my wife grew up near here.

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 



Lazy mentions Pickle Barrel—was in bar, maybe?

 Xeric wrote: 

 

Wasn't there a sandwich shop in there too? I can't quite picture it all correctly.

IT'S FRIDAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 Lazy8 wrote: 
Really—I only remembered shaking my head over Boodles' dinner menu prices and walking on down the street.  May just possibly have some personal bias, maybe, since the dirty rotten bastard who ran off with my girlfriend used to work there. 

Also, the shoe place (see below) is only three blocks away.  Still. . . .

But I stand by the R Bar's demise as being no great loss—what a dump!  (Disclaimer: I was last in there in about 1985.  It's since been remodeled.  I have no idea what I'm talking about.)

Holy crap!

 Rod wrote:
 
No kidding. The explosion threw a parked car out into the street, blew out windows for blocks, threw bricks over a block away. At the lunch rush it could have easily caught a hundred people.

Still no word on the missing.

These pictures don't show as much damage as the stories describe, but it's still pretty bad.