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westslope

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Posted: Oct 12, 2021 - 10:11am

 rgio wrote:


Sure...the CDC has been a mess, but we're approaching the 2-year mark, and we have vaccines that do amazing things managed by people who have only really read about managing this stuff in papers and listened to "experts" at conferences.  All-in-all...things have gone pretty well.
....

+1  

In an unprecedented crisis like this SARS2 pandemic, mistakes will be make.  They are always made.  

What matters is how quickly the institutions in charge evolve as new information comes in the door.  In that respect I would argue that the CDC has done a good job.   A really good job.  To the benefit of not only Americans but for folks living outside the USA.

black321

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Posted: Oct 12, 2021 - 10:09am

 rgio wrote:


Sure...the CDC has been a mess, but we're approaching the 2-year mark, and we have vaccines that do amazing things managed by people who have only really read about managing this stuff in papers and listened to "experts" at conferences.  All-in-all...things have gone pretty well.

As Mark Twain said...  â€œData is like garbage. You’d better know what you are going to do with it before you collect it.”

I guess I differ... from the CDC incompetence, to the GOP anti-science and misguided self liberty, to the obvious left wing knee jerk and overplayed reaction to the right's b.s. 

Not to mention, the hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths, fights/attacks with waitresses, store clerks, and airlines stewards, parent shoutdowns taking kids to school. No, unfortunately not to0 good. 

But we were lucky we had the mRNA vaccine work as far along as it was. 
And I suppose your point may be, things could have been a lot better, if we had let them be. 

rgio

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Posted: Oct 12, 2021 - 9:58am

 black321 wrote:


You have to throw in a dose of incompetence at the CDC. 

Former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb said in a recent interview with CBS News that the CDC was never prepared to handle a crisis on the scale of COVID-19, and that the U.S. government suffered from "a failure of vision" since the start of the pandemic. The agency thought to be the gold standard for public health is better equipped for data analysis than decisive action, he said.



Sure...the CDC has been a mess, but we're approaching the 2-year mark, and we have vaccines that do amazing things managed by people who have only really read about managing this stuff in papers and listened to "experts" at conferences.  All-in-all...things have gone pretty well.

As Mark Twain said...  â€œData is like garbage. You’d better know what you are going to do with it before you collect it.”
westslope

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Posted: Oct 12, 2021 - 9:39am

+3

The Trump regime's fumble on this issue is another piece of evidence strongly suggesting that the Head of Government and the Head of State should not be the same individual. 

black321

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Posted: Oct 12, 2021 - 9:02am

 rgio wrote:

+2

All of this pandering to stupid is just exhausting.  If Trump had been pro-vaccine from the start...pro mask...pro-science... no issue.  Instead, the Right has made this into some sort of "rugged individualism" battle for freedom and liberty.  Look at the stupid shit Kurt just posted.

The site - American Greatness
The title - "Freedom Flyers" ... fighting evil mandates
The inflammatory statements - "strip citizens of their right to medical freedom", "bend to the Biden regime", "experimental vaccine"

Kurt, if you would have read that shit in the '50s, '60s, '70s coming out of Russia, you would have thought "how stupid do the people have to be to believe that crap"?  It's not about vaccines...it's about selling the tribe on resistance.  Enough already.

I've stayed away from the "pile on Kurt" conversation because it would have been just that...piling on... but at some point, you might want to read your own posts and consider a bit of thinking...before it becomes a completely lost art on the Right.


You have to throw in a dose of incompetence at the CDC. 

Former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb said in a recent interview with CBS News that the CDC was never prepared to handle a crisis on the scale of COVID-19, and that the U.S. government suffered from "a failure of vision" since the start of the pandemic. The agency thought to be the gold standard for public health is better equipped for data analysis than decisive action, he said.

rgio

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Posted: Oct 12, 2021 - 8:45am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
+1

+2

All of this pandering to stupid is just exhausting.  If Trump had been pro-vaccine from the start...pro mask...pro-science... no issue.  Instead, the Right has made this into some sort of "rugged individualism" battle for freedom and liberty.  Look at the stupid shit Kurt just posted.

The site - American Greatness
The title - "Freedom Flyers" ... fighting evil mandates
The inflammatory statements - "strip citizens of their right to medical freedom", "bend to the Biden regime", "experimental vaccine"

Kurt, if you would have read that shit in the '50s, '60s, '70s coming out of Russia, you would have thought "how stupid do the people have to be to believe that crap"?  It's not about vaccines...it's about selling the tribe on resistance.  Enough already.

I've stayed away from the "pile on Kurt" conversation because it would have been just that...piling on... but at some point, you might want to read your own posts and consider a bit of thinking...before it becomes a completely lost art on the Right.
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Posted: Oct 12, 2021 - 8:27am

 Steely_D wrote:


There is no honor in “fighting” a vaccine mandate. We’ve required them for decades. These are people easily led through social media by America’s enemies to refuse medical care for a preventable infectious disease. This isn’t about “freedom” but really about propaganda aimed at the most gullible. And they exist at all levels.



+1
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Posted: Oct 12, 2021 - 8:23am

 kurtster wrote:

So when the whole supply chain comes tumbling down because key personnel refuse to get vaccinated and fired, how are you going to get your food, clothing, travel, etc. ?
US Freedom Flyers Group Forms to Help Transportation Employees Fight Vaccine Mandates


There is no honor in “fighting” a vaccine mandate. We’ve required them for decades. These are people easily led through social media by America’s enemies to refuse medical care for a preventable infectious disease. This isn’t about “freedom” but really about propaganda aimed at the most gullible. And they exist at all levels.

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Posted: Oct 12, 2021 - 5:46am

 Steely_D wrote:
So, IIRC, the Republican Party used to be all about free enterprise and capitalism and business and deregulation. Right? So this is just another proof that they're now just the party of hypocritical assholes who really don't know what they believe in, except to be frustrating.
Besides taking away women's right to choose, they've taken away businesses' right to decide how they want to do business. This is the exact opposite of their usual philosophy of taking away business regulations and keeping government small.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott orders a ban on all COVID-19 vaccine mandates in the state

 
So when the whole supply chain comes tumbling down because key personnel refuse to get vaccinated and fired, how are you going to get your food, clothing, travel, etc. ?
US Freedom Flyers Group Forms to Help Transportation Employees Fight Vaccine Mandates
Steely_D

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Posted: Oct 11, 2021 - 10:15pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


They're a death cult.


They’re a “I hope you die, poor person that’s not white and rich - but your unwanted baby has to live and then we do everything we can to make it suffer” cult.


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Posted: Oct 11, 2021 - 8:24pm

 Steely_D wrote:

So, IIRC, the Republican Party used to be all about free enterprise and capitalism and business and deregulation. Right?

So this is just another proof that they're now just the party of hypocritical assholes who really don't know what they believe in, except to be frustrating.
Besides taking away women's right to choose, they've taken away businesses' right to decide how they want to do business. This is the exact opposite of their usual philosophy of taking away business regulations and keeping government small.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott orders a ban on all COVID-19 vaccine mandates in the state





They're a death cult.
Steely_D

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Posted: Oct 11, 2021 - 8:01pm

So, IIRC, the Republican Party used to be all about free enterprise and capitalism and business and deregulation. Right?

So this is just another proof that they're now just the party of hypocritical assholes who really don't know what they believe in, except to be frustrating.
Besides taking away women's right to choose, they've taken away businesses' right to decide how they want to do business. This is the exact opposite of their usual philosophy of taking away business regulations and keeping government small.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott orders a ban on all COVID-19 vaccine mandates in the state



Steely_D

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Posted: Oct 11, 2021 - 7:34pm

 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:
Premium was right at $5.00 a gallon.

Well, picking premium as an example isn't an objective thing to do. It's gonna be more expensive than what most people use. Should've compared Regular. And, as everyone paying attention knows, the President doesn't really affect gas prices. It's a red herring. Still using petroleum just puts people at the whims of the oil producing nations, including the Saudis and the rest of the Middle East. Smart Americans would find a way to get off the oil teat.


The people, a short distance east of the coast of California, to the border of Nevada, are thoroughly disgusted with the over the top policies coming from Sacramento.
There's signs all over farm lands about water being diverted away from their farms. And not very flattering comments about our wonderful governor.

Oh, those "State of Jefferson" guys? They're ALWAYS disgusted. So much so that they want to secede.
 And they bitch about water restrictions? Fun fact - https://www.wired.com/2006/03/...


...a High Speed Rail line. ..And very poor planning. 

Like civilized nations have? Why the heck would USA do something thoughtful like that? Let's keep the crowded dangerous commute on 5, shall we? An upgrade based on successes around the globe is too hard for Americans. And the planning is poor, which is why it's taking so long and so much $. But there's also the idiotic reluctance for 'Merica to make progress in any field. Other countries have us beat by a mile in certain things (public transport, health care, even bringing the credit card machine to your table instead of you handing over your card to some kid and he takes it back into another room).


No matter what the polls say... people are fleeing this State. It's too bad that these professional politicians are oblivious to what's going on.

You think that's it, that every single human in politics is instantly oblivious? Or that they're up against so much inertia and logistical issues (and illogistical issues) that they can't get the massive state to change direction? Which of those is more likely...?


Update! A new law passed just recently... Gas powered lawn mowers and leaf blowers will not be sold anymore in California after 2022. 

Excellent. They cause an incredible amount of pollution, rely of fossil fuels, and have an easy replacement. I certainly wouldn't want "Gimme my damn gas leaf blower on a Sunday morning" to be the hill I die on.
















haresfur

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Posted: Oct 11, 2021 - 6:25pm

 R_P wrote:

But, but, but, "we are very energy independent."

If you believed the orange man, you were bound to be disappointed...



A Machiavellian would say the best strategy is to use as much foreign oil as soon as you can, and keep your internal production just high enough to keep them from jacking up the prices, like in the 1970s. When theirs is gone yours is worth a lot more*.

* except if renewables kick in and keep prices low while saving the planet
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Oct 11, 2021 - 4:44pm

 haresfur wrote:

Don't you think the rise in prices is primarily due to people driving more after covid hunkering down? And I'm a bit confused because you seem to be saying Biden is responsible for increasing fuel prices but your previous post seemed like it was criticising him for trying to keep prices down by importing more. What should he be doing?



This shit happens every time the rethuglicans control the Whitehouse/congress/etc. They throw wrenches into the works of as many things as possible so that when they find a Democrat in the Whitehouse/control of congress, etc. they can blame it on him/them. They've been doing this shit since Ronnie Raygun & Company.
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Posted: Oct 11, 2021 - 4:22pm

 haresfur wrote:
Don't you think the rise in prices is primarily due to people driving more after covid hunkering down? And I'm a bit confused because you seem to be saying Biden is responsible for increasing fuel prices but your previous post seemed like it was criticising him for trying to keep prices down by importing more. What should he be doing?

But, but, but, "we are very energy independent."

If you believed the orange man, you were bound to be disappointed...

haresfur

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Posted: Oct 11, 2021 - 4:04pm

 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:

This was on a gas pump I filled up at in Marysville, California weekend before last.
Premium was right at $5.00 a gallon.



The people, a short distance east of the coast of California, to the border of Nevada, are thoroughly disgusted with the over the top policies coming from Sacramento.
There's signs all over farm lands about water being diverted away from their farms. And not very flattering comments about our wonderful governor.
I saw some majestic, beautiful structures for the new High Speed Rail system costing, I'm sure, millions and millions of dollars. All for a line from Bakersfield to Madera. A really great place to put a High Speed Rail line. Sarcasm intended. It's being built there first because it's the cheapest area to build. This line has been riddled with massive cost over runs. And very poor planning. It is at a standstill at the moment. Until more funding comes in.
No matter what the polls say... people are fleeing this State. It's too bad that these professional politicians are oblivious to what's going on.
Update! A new law passed just recently... Gas powered lawn mowers and leaf blowers will not be sold anymore in California after 2022. 


Don't you think the rise in prices is primarily due to people driving more after covid hunkering down? And I'm a bit confused because you seem to be saying Biden is responsible for increasing fuel prices but your previous post seemed like it was criticising him for trying to keep prices down by importing more. What should he be doing?

KurtfromLaQuinta

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Posted: Oct 11, 2021 - 3:09pm

 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:

Or President Joe Biden telling us he's talking to Saudi Arabia about increasing oil imports quickly. What the *&%$! What's wrong with that picture?

This was on a gas pump I filled up at in Marysville, California weekend before last.
Premium was right at $5.00 a gallon.



The people, a short distance east of the coast of California, to the border of Nevada, are thoroughly disgusted with the over the top policies coming from Sacramento.
There's signs all over farm lands about water being diverted away from their farms. And not very flattering comments about our wonderful governor.
I saw some majestic, beautiful structures for the new High Speed Rail system costing, I'm sure, millions and millions of dollars. All for a line from Bakersfield to Madera. A really great place to put a High Speed Rail line. Sarcasm intended. It's being built there first because it's the cheapest area to build. This line has been riddled with massive cost over runs. And very poor planning. It is at a standstill at the moment. Until more funding comes in.
No matter what the polls say... people are fleeing this State. It's too bad that these professional politicians are oblivious to what's going on.
Update! A new law passed just recently... Gas powered lawn mowers and leaf blowers will not be sold anymore in California after 2022. 
black321

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Posted: Oct 11, 2021 - 6:44am

 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:
Welcome to the Machine. Floyd, Pink

There definitely needs to be a balance.
Unfortunately there are to many things way off balance.
Like the comment Jen Psaki made a few days ago about the raising of corporate tax. When mentioned to her that they will pass those raises along to the consumer. She said "Oh, they wouldn't do that". Okay. What world does she live in?
Or President Joe Biden telling us he's talking to Saudi Arabia about increasing oil imports quickly. What the *&%$! What's wrong with that picture?
Or Alejandro Mayorkas assuring us "Our borders are closed." What? Maybe he was referring to our neighbor to the North?


All I see is the prices rising to a point where major inflation is coming soon to your neighborhood.
Nothing is free. Somebody will pay for all these "free" things.






A little whataboutism, because we need balance...
Psaki's comment made as much sense as "the chinese pay for the tariffs."

Prices are rising because of a massive shift in spending from services, to goods, and a relentless pursuit of "efficiencies" over the past few decades, which stretched our supply chains to thin. So like you say, nothing is free, there is always a cost.

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Posted: Oct 10, 2021 - 7:40pm

 haresfur wrote:

I agree with you that this was a stupid statement about raising corporate tax but if it was that straightforward, businesses wouldn't bitch about it and when they cut corporate taxes, the savings would have actually been passed on to the consumers. In a true free market system, businesses would raise prices as much as they possibly could without losing business to other companies who want to be more competitive. And those other companies would take a little smaller profit percent if they could still make more money. In actuality, I expect some industries will do a sort of quiet price fixing where they do more passing along the costs instead of competing.

One thing's for sure, when you put more and more of the tax burden on employees they end up with less income unless they have a really strong union to get the companies to agree to raise wages until people can live a somewhat secure life. 

I'm no economist but it looks like there is some re-balancing happening after a long period of reducing corporate taxes with little trickle down to everyone else.

I also wouldn't be surprised if inflation was going to increase and that will be painful for many people.

Probably the biggest difference the government could make would be to reduce military spending.






Please.
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