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Posted: Aug 23, 2023 - 10:54am

 R_P wrote:

The heat dome is weather and he's using one extreme weather phenomenon to make a point about this summer (climate). From your link:
In most places, weather can change from minute-to-minute, hour-to-hour, day-to-day, and season-to-season. Climate, however, is the average of weather over time and space. An easy way to remember the difference is that climate is what you expect, like a very hot summer, and weather is what you get, like a hot day with pop-up thunderstorms.
Enough (short-term) extreme weather events will make the longer-term (climate) more extreme as well since the latter is based on averages over time.


Yeah, I guess because averages over years are showing these increases and extreme events, etc.  His tweet isn't really careless with that conflation of weather and climate, but I have seen a number of much more alarmist/sensationalist articles and headlines which are.  It just seems like something people need to be very conscious of - as I said "devil's advocate".

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Posted: Aug 23, 2023 - 10:31am

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Just to play devil's advocate: I don't necessarily disagree with his findings and theories but isn't he making the mistake that many climate deniers make - conflating weather with climate?  (i.e. "We had a lot of snow this winter, there's no such thing as global warming.") Shouldn't it be "the weather is this summer", not "the climate is this summer"?  I guess it's just semantics.
Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.

The heat dome is weather and he's using one extreme weather phenomenon to make a point about this summer (climate). From your link:
In most places, weather can change from minute-to-minute, hour-to-hour, day-to-day, and season-to-season. Climate, however, is the average of weather over time and space. An easy way to remember the difference is that climate is what you expect, like a very hot summer, and weather is what you get, like a hot day with pop-up thunderstorms.
Enough (short-term) extreme weather events will make the longer-term (climate) more extreme as well since the latter is based on averages over time.

Edit: He's now in a better position to judge with two-thirds of the summer gone/done.

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Posted: Aug 23, 2023 - 7:35am

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Just to play devil's advocate: I don't necessarily disagree with his findings and theories but isn't he making the mistake that many climate deniers make - conflating weather with climate?  (i.e. "We had a lot of snow this winter, there's no such thing as global warming.") Shouldn't it be "the weather is this summer", not "the climate is this summer"?  I guess it's just semantics.
Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.
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Posted: Aug 22, 2023 - 3:40pm


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Posted: Aug 21, 2023 - 9:41am

What climate change...?   Sure, parking will be tough, but the field is ready.

Dodger Stadium has been turned into an island by the post-tropical cyclone.

Dodger Stadium
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Posted: Aug 20, 2023 - 7:32am

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Space lasers

The bizarre CT that just won't go away.
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Posted: Aug 20, 2023 - 12:02am

Space lasers
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Posted: Aug 19, 2023 - 12:01pm

this is fine
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Posted: Aug 18, 2023 - 10:08am

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Cult.



Articulate
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Posted: Aug 18, 2023 - 8:05am

Cult.
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Posted: Aug 16, 2023 - 10:53pm

Rising Temperatures Are Wreaking Havoc Year-Round
Even small changes in global average temperature are driving environmental and economic consequences.
Nice graphs.
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Posted: Aug 16, 2023 - 11:46am

Despite climate goals, California will let three gas plants keep running


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Posted: Aug 16, 2023 - 10:22am

Go ahead R_P.  Blame the supplier, not the user.   

Finger point like a MAGA Republican.  It suits you well.  

More narcissistic virtue signalling will definitely save the planet.
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Posted: Aug 15, 2023 - 7:03pm


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Posted: Aug 15, 2023 - 3:17pm

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To be clear...2 climate scientists.

And nowhere near the top. Arguably a meteorologist isn't one either.

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Posted: Aug 15, 2023 - 3:12pm

C'mon, guys... y'all know climate change is a libtard, psychobabble oil-hatin' hoax! Drill, baby, drill!
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Posted: Aug 15, 2023 - 2:54pm

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To be clear...2 climate scientists.

#1 - Cliff Mass

University of Washington Meteorologist Cliff Mass, something of a big deal in the Pacific Northwest weather scene and bit player in the climate denial world as someone who’s not-a-denier-but-is-someone-deniers-love, wrote a (now-thrice-edited) blog post comparing the Black Lives Matter protesters in Seattle to the Brownshirts and Nazis who carried out Kristallnacht, calling photos of the two events “eerily similar.”

#2 -  John Christy

During the Trump presidency, Christy helped to compile an analysis for the Environmental Protection Agency. When presenting his analysis to the EPA’s board, he made the claim that carbon levels simply do not affect the climate in a notable way. Christy concluded that restrictions did not matter since carbon levels do not affect the environment anyway. 

Christy’s stance on climate change puts him at odds with many colleagues. The vast majority of climate scientists readily admit that climate change is real, and much of the disagreement revolves around climate models constructed by scientists to project future climate trends based on current climate action. Most climate projection models that scientists agree on are brushed off by Christy as not fully realized and he holds that the warming trends they project are nothing to worry about. In his own words: “There’s a climate establishment, and I’m not in it”. 

Sure...it's not about politics... it just aligns so well.


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Posted: Aug 15, 2023 - 12:31pm

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satellite data apparently suggests that the proportion of the earth burning up in wildfires has been steadily trending down over the past few decades. 

The proportion of earth capable of supporting wildfires has been steadily trending down over the past few decades. 

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Media coverage has dramatically climbed. 

An absolutely worthless comment designed to sow doubt or seem authoritative. Unprovable and unknowable since the actual definition of "media coverage" is so vastly different from just one decade ago, let alone a few. 

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Posted: Aug 15, 2023 - 12:05pm

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Adam Creighton

Sounds like a fellow ideological dinosaur from down under. Murdoch-owned too.

Rising global temperatures and the increased frequency of extreme weather events have led to a surge in the number of wildfires rapidly consuming extensive areas of vegetation and forested lands.


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