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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 1:29pm

 R_P wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
So what about the CO² emissions from humans ? The average human exhales about 2.3 pounds of carbon dioxide on an average day. ... Take this number and multiply by a population of 7 billion people, breathing away for 365.25 days per year, and you get an annual CO2 output of 2.94 billion tons. Time to reduce the human population, too ?

Unsourced kurtsterian blather.
 
Also from my unsourced source way farther down is this little tid bit ...
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Physiologically speaking, the existence of people and our livestock is removing carbon from the atmosphere, albeit at an incredibly slow rate.

That shoots down the whole cow thing, which is foundation to so many arguments against raising cows as a food source, eh ?  Turns out the opposite is true, like so many of the canned climate change fear mongering "facts" y'all like to use.
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 1:27pm

 Manbird wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

So what about the CO² emissions from humans ?

The average human exhales about 2.3 pounds of carbon dioxide on an average day. ... Take this number and multiply by a population of 7 billion people, breathing away for 365.25 days per year, and you get an annual CO2 output of 2.94 billion tons.

Time to reduce the human population, too ?



Do you think the number of people on this planet is:
A. Too few
B. Just right
C. Too many
 
{#Lol}
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 1:22pm

 kurtster wrote:

So what about the CO² emissions from humans ?

The average human exhales about 2.3 pounds of carbon dioxide on an average day. ... Take this number and multiply by a population of 7 billion people, breathing away for 365.25 days per year, and you get an annual CO2 output of 2.94 billion tons.

Time to reduce the human population, too ?



Do you think the number of people on this planet is:
A. Too few
B. Just right
C. Too many
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 1:22pm

 kurtster wrote:

So what about the CO² emissions from humans ?

The average human exhales about 2.3 pounds of carbon dioxide on an average day. ... Take this number and multiply by a population of 7 billion people, breathing away for 365.25 days per year, and you get an annual CO2 output of 2.94 billion tons.

Time to reduce the human population, too ?

 
{#Propeller}

you think funny.   Getting back to the main point. Simply waiting for technology alone to solve the problem is now IMHO criminally complacent. The technology is not there yet on the scale we need it. Ergo, we need to change consumption patterns, this goes hand-in-hand with technological progress. The two are not incompatible.

And the ironic thing is, it seems the younger generation has already realized this and is acting on it. It's just us old farts who, despite being the first generation to really benefit from the abundance of post WWII growth, seem totally intransigent when it comes to being just a wee bit more responsible about what and how we consume, and yes I put myself in that group. 

 
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 1:22pm

 kurtster wrote:
So what about the CO² emissions from humans ?

The average human exhales about 2.3 pounds of carbon dioxide on an average day. ... Take this number and multiply by a population of 7 billion people, breathing away for 365.25 days per year, and you get an annual CO2 output of 2.94 billion tons.

Time to reduce the human population, too ?

Unsourced kurtsterian blather.

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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 1:13pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

nope. you're forgetting all those frictional losses aka bovine burping and farting.. which will be avoided by going vegetarian/vegan..

it is waaaay more efficient for us to eat the crops directly (well ok, not grass, but you get my drift).
 
So what about the CO² emissions from humans ?

The average human exhales about 2.3 pounds of carbon dioxide on an average day. ... Take this number and multiply by a population of 7 billion people, breathing away for 365.25 days per year, and you get an annual CO2 output of 2.94 billion tons.

Time to reduce the human population, too ?

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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 1:11pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
huh?  Kurtster brought up the vegan thing, not me. FWIW I am not vegetarian but my wife is.

You brought up the cows' blurp...

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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 1:08pm

 Ohmsen wrote:
 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
you're forgetting all those frictional losses aka bovine burping and farting.. which will be avoided by going vegetarian/vegan..

it is waaaay more efficient for us to eat the crops directly (well ok, not grass, but you get my drift).

You seem to be blowing one smokescreen after another.

 
huh?  Kurtster brought up the vegan thing, not me. FWIW I am not vegetarian but my wife is.
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 1:06pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
you're forgetting all those frictional losses aka bovine burping and farting.. which will be avoided by going vegetarian/vegan..

it is waaaay more efficient for us to eat the crops directly (well ok, not grass, but you get my drift).

You seem to be blowing one smokescreen after another.

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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 12:59pm

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 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

and btw.. it is not just energy consumption in all those sectors


Industrial farming is another (great) malefactor, while 80-90% of farmers worldwide still do it with their bare hands
 
my beef with industrial farming is primarily the loss of biodiversity and topsoil depletion, but yes, it also has a carbon footprint.. 
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 12:57pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
nope. you're forgetting all those frictional losses aka bovine burping and farting.. which will be avoided by going vegetarian/vegan..

it is waaaay more efficient for us to eat the crops directly (well ok, not grass, but you get my drift).

Oh noes, The Deep State is coming for your hamburgers/steaks!

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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 12:54pm

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Well, if we go vegan, then we have to make energy efficiency improvements for the expansion required in other parts of agriculture in order to replace the offenders, energy efficiently.
.
Right ?
 
nope. you're forgetting all those frictional losses aka bovine burping and farting.. which will be avoided by going vegetarian/vegan..

it is waaaay more efficient for us to eat the crops directly (well ok, not grass, but you get my drift).
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 12:27pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

and btw.. it is not just energy consumption in all those sectors


Industrial farming is another (great) malefactor, while 80-90% of farmers worldwide still do it with their bare hands
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 12:26pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
and btw.. it is not just energy consumption in all those sectors
 
Well, if we go vegan, then we have to make energy efficiency improvements for the expansion required in other parts of agriculture in order to replace the offenders, energy efficiently.
.
Right ?
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 12:22pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

who says that?  
 
You seemed to imply that with your expression of urgency and impatience.
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 12:21pm

and btw.. it is not just energy consumption in all those sectors
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 12:20pm

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Not only what you said, but regarding the bolded above in NoEnz's thought, flattening the energy curve applies to all of the sectors above in the chart.  It is in the natural best interest to improve energy efficiency in all of them.  To think that no one is trying is just bizarre at any informed level.
 
who says that?  
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 11:59am

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 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


energy production and transport are just part of the problem. 
"flattening the demand curve" as you put has to extend to all other sectors as well OR we find new technologies to allow demand to stay high but simultaneously become more sustainable, or, even better, we do both at once for the fastest possible response.
 


Constant growth as paradigm is a malefactor, esp. in economics.

 
Not only what you said, but regarding the bolded above in NoEnz's thought, flattening the energy curve applies to all of the sectors above in the chart.  It is in the natural best interest to improve energy efficiency in all of them.  To think that no one is trying is just bizarre at any informed level.
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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 11:53am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


energy production and transport are just part of the problem. 
"flattening the demand curve" as you put has to extend to all other sectors as well OR we find new technologies to allow demand to stay high but simultaneously become more sustainable, or, even better, we do both at once for the fastest possible response.
 


Constant growth as paradigm is a malefactor, esp. in economics.

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Posted: Aug 9, 2021 - 11:47am



energy production and transport are just part of the problem. 
"flattening the demand curve" as you put has to extend to all other sectors as well OR we find new technologies to allow demand to stay high but simultaneously become more sustainable, or, even better, we do both at once for the fastest possible response.
 
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