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Posted: Jul 12, 2023 - 3:50pm

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I think the sahara sand storms will save us!
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Posted: Jul 12, 2023 - 2:26pm

A good test case for predictions
Record ocean temperatures lift Atlantic hurricane outlook
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Posted: Jul 12, 2023 - 2:01pm

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Long Island beaches were in the high 70s this week...has to be at/near record for this or anytime of year. 



Almost 100 in Florida water today. Unbelievable. 
The weather man said starting next year 
we'll be missing for the cooler weather (like today). 
The hot, steamy shit is really going to hit the fan. 
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Posted: Jul 12, 2023 - 1:53pm

Long Island beaches were in the high 70s this week...has to be at/near record for this or anytime of year. 
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Posted: Jul 12, 2023 - 1:35pm

How Hot Is the Sea Off Florida Right Now? Think 90s Fahrenheit.
Researchers are recording ocean temperatures that pose severe risks to coral reefs and other marine life.
The biggest concern for coral isn’t just the current sea surface temperatures in the Florida Keys, even though they are the hottest on record. The daily average surface temperature off the Keys on Monday was just over 90 degrees Fahrenheit, or 32.4 Celsius, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

The real worry, scientists say, is that it’s only July. Corals typically experience the most heat stress in August and September.

“We’re entering uncharted territories,” Derek Manzello, an ecologist and the coordinator of NOAA’s Coral Reef Watch program, said.

Coral reefs are natural wonders that support myriad species and blunt damage from storms. In the United States, reefs generate economic benefits to the tune of $3.4 billion annually for fisheries, tourism and coastal protection, according to NOAA.

But oceans have absorbed some 90 percent of the additional heat caused by humans as we burn fossil fuels and destroy forests. When sea temperatures rise too high, corals bleach, expelling the algae they need for sustenance. If waters don’t cool quickly enough, or if bleaching events happen in close succession, the corals die. For decades, scientists have been warning that climate change is an existential threat to coral reefs. Already, the world has lost a huge proportion of its coral reefs, perhaps half since 1950.

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Posted: Jul 11, 2023 - 8:03pm

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Usually, in science, facts are data from which tentative conclusions can be drawn (based on probabilities). Cf. scientific modelling.


Clear. - What I don't like as much are the media delivering modeled probabilities as hard facts to us all. - Much less through social media claims, not backed by any evidence. - Just as when I look at the (modeled) weather-forecast for the next couple days, it usually goes wrong. Granted, I live by the sea and the weather changes quickly there...

*Peace, Brother*
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Posted: Jul 11, 2023 - 7:57pm

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Does it mean you don't believe in a supreme intelligence (creator), but you do believe in science "soft" facts, such as we've just lived through the hottest days in 100,000+ years? - As science hard facts are beyond any argument, to which I wholeheartedly agree?

Usually, in science, facts are data from which tentative conclusions can be drawn (based on probabilities). Cf. scientific modelling.

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Posted: Jul 11, 2023 - 7:41pm

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Now you're irrelevantly equivocating.


Does it mean you don't believe in a supreme intelligence (creator), but you do believe in science "soft" facts, such as we've just lived through the hottest days in 100,000+ years? - As science hard facts are beyond any argument, to which I wholeheartedly agree?



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Posted: Jul 11, 2023 - 7:35pm

 thisbody wrote:

Ah.. missed that one, sorry:

Some scientists believe July 4 may have been one of the hottest days on Earth in about 125,000 years, due to a dangerous combination of climate change causing global temperatures to soar, the return of the El Niño pattern and the start of summer in the Northern Hemisphere. ...
Tuesday’s global average temperature was calculated by a model that uses data from weather stations, ships, ocean buoys and satellites, Paulo Ceppi, a climate scientist at London’s Grantham Institute, explained in an email Wednesday. This modeling system has been used to estimate daily average temperatures starting in 1979.
I always thought you were a non-believer?

Now you're irrelevantly equivocating.

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Posted: Jul 11, 2023 - 7:30pm

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The link is pretty obvious.

Ah.. missed that one, sorry:

Some scientists believe July 4 may have been one of the hottest days on Earth in about 125,000 years, due to a dangerous combination of climate change causing global temperatures to soar, the return of the El Niño pattern and the start of summer in the Northern Hemisphere. ...
Tuesday’s global average temperature was calculated by a model that uses data from weather stations, ships, ocean buoys and satellites, Paulo Ceppi, a climate scientist at London’s Grantham Institute, explained in an email Wednesday. This modeling system has been used to estimate daily average temperatures starting in 1979.
I always thought you were a non-believer?

Again, let me state here, I do believe that much of our climate is man-made.

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Posted: Jul 11, 2023 - 7:21pm

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You're not seriously asking me to prove your claims here by researching the data? - I know. You once said on this forum that Americans are lazy. As I'm not American I can go and back up your claims, which I was challenging in the first place? - That seems awkward.

The link is pretty obvious.

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Posted: Jul 11, 2023 - 7:18pm

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It provides a reference for the claim (which you'd have to read next). Then you get to a similar point as rgio's post.



You're not seriously asking me to prove your claims here by researching the data? - I know. You once said on this forum that Americans are lazy. As I'm not American I can go and back up your claims, which I was challenging in the first place? - That seems awkward.

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Posted: Jul 11, 2023 - 7:12pm

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I've read that. Sorry for being a pain, but it doesn't prove your headline right. It merely points vaguely in some direction (tree-rings, ice-cores - without giving any proof of data).
I caught you as usually not amiss of simple logic. What's happening?

It provides a reference for the claim (which you'd have to read next). Then you get to a similar point as rgio's post.

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Posted: Jul 11, 2023 - 7:09pm

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The exact modeling system used to estimate Tuesday’s temperature has
only been used since 1979, but scientists are able to estimate average
temperatures going back tens of thousands of years by using
instrument-based global temperature records, tree rings and ice cores,
climate scientist Paulo Ceppi told the Washington Post.



I've read that. Sorry for being a pain, but it doesn't prove your headline right. It merely points vaguely in some direction (tree-rings, ice-cores - without giving any proof of data).
I caught you as usually not amiss of simple logic. What's happening?

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Posted: Jul 11, 2023 - 7:05pm

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Failure to detect any base for the initial statement of the hottest days in 100,000 years, sorry.
The exact modeling system used to estimate Tuesday’s temperature has
only been used since 1979, but scientists are able to estimate average
temperatures going back tens of thousands of years by using
instrument-based global temperature records, tree rings and ice cores,
climate scientist Paulo Ceppi told the Washington Post.

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Posted: Jul 11, 2023 - 7:03pm

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It's been used for a few years as a reference for the warmest day ever.  Just didn't happen so many days in a row.



https://archive.is/wN7TW


From your article:
If any a single day in the past 100,000 or 125,000 years could have been as hot as the Earth this week, scientists said it could only have occurred about 6,000 years ago.

Doesn't that contradict our initial headline-statement at least somewhat?

(I know some folks like it simple, hehe.)

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Posted: Jul 11, 2023 - 6:59pm

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Read it again.



Failure to detect any base for the initial statement of the hottest days in 100,000 years, sorry.
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Posted: Jul 11, 2023 - 6:49pm

 thisbody wrote:
Yeah, thanks.. global mean temperatures since they've been recorded... although the headline says otherways.

Where do these 100,000 years come from?

What the...

Read it again.

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Posted: Jul 11, 2023 - 6:42pm

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Would you be kind enough to explain the 100,000+ years temperature-curve on earth, as stated before? - My simple-mindedness just can't get it from yours - nor from R_P's post (as I've stated) already.
Thank you. - Remember the headline?

Where's the source-documentation for this statement?

All potential simple-mindedness inclusively considered from all parties including myself - I'm far from denying any man-made global warming / climate-change. The headline, to me just sounds way too debile in itself, ready to be fed to the masses, to be consumed by the gullible.


It's been used for a few years as a reference for the warmest day ever.  Just didn't happen so many days in a row.



https://archive.is/wN7TW

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Posted: Jul 11, 2023 - 6:42pm

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Yeah, thanks.. global mean temperatures since they've been recorded... although the headline (for the gullible) says otherwise.

Where do these 100,000 years come from?

What the...



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