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Monkeysdad

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Posted: Jul 19, 2013 - 4:59pm

 islander wrote:

Don't worry, it's 'pre-cooked'  now.

 
(insert rim-shot here)
islander

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Posted: Jul 19, 2013 - 4:38pm

 Monkeysdad wrote:


F**k it,...I'm gonna have Sushi tonight anyway,...{#Yell}"Damn the torpedoes...."

 
Don't worry, it's 'pre-cooked'  now.
Monkeysdad

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Posted: Jul 19, 2013 - 4:31pm

 sirdroseph wrote: 

F**k it,...I'm gonna have Sushi tonight anyway,...{#Yell}"Damn the torpedoes...."
islander

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Posted: Jul 19, 2013 - 4:20pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
sirdroseph wrote:
Show me a body.

Not a breathless article in a conspiracy-theory web site (the first words in the article are "This isn’t a conspiracy theory"—unlike everything else on the site?)—an actual body of one of those Americans killed by radiation from Japan.

Yes, it's a conspiracy theory, packed with long discredited hoaxes about radioactive milk and hyperbole easily disproven by anyone with a Geiger counter.

 
That site is golden. Don't miss the giant underwater crystal pyramid in the Bermuda Triangle. 
Lazy8

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Posted: Jul 19, 2013 - 3:46pm

sirdroseph wrote:
Show me a body.

Not a breathless article in a conspiracy-theory web site (the first words in the article are "This isn’t a conspiracy theory"—unlike everything else on the site?)—an actual body of one of those Americans killed by radiation from Japan.

Yes, it's a conspiracy theory, packed with long discredited hoaxes about radioactive milk and hyperbole easily disproven by anyone with a Geiger counter.
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Jul 19, 2013 - 1:36pm

 sirdroseph wrote: 

oh FFS.
kurtster

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Posted: Jul 19, 2013 - 1:03pm


cc_rider

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Posted: Jul 19, 2013 - 12:50pm

 kurtster wrote:


F*******************************************************k

So much for my dreams of moving to Hawaii ................{#Sad}

And after further thought, the Pacific Ocean Gyre / Pacific Ocean garbage patch which is a couple of times the size of Texas is where that flow is headed.  Not only will we have a cesspool of shit in the middle of the Pacific, its going to become radioactive making it nearly impossible to deal with, ever.

 

Naw, we just have to get international agreement that we are poisoning our little blue ball, and all work together to stop the wanton destruction of our habitat.

Wait, you're right. It IS impossible.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. The only way we are going to 'save' Mother Earth is by eliminating ourselves from this planet. Which we are well on our way to doing. The Earth will be just fine long after we're gone. Maybe our carcasses will power the vehicles of the next civilized(?) inhabitants.
cc_rider

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Posted: Jul 19, 2013 - 12:50pm

 kurtster wrote:


F*******************************************************k

So much for my dreams of moving to Hawaii ................{#Sad}

And after further thought, the Pacific Ocean Gyre / Pacific Ocean garbage patch which is a couple of times the size of Texas is where that flow is headed.  Not only will we have a cesspool of shit in the middle of the Pacific, its going to become radioactive making it nearly impossible to deal with, ever.

 

Naw, we just have to get international agreement that we are poisoning our little blue ball, and all work together to stop the wanton destruction of our habitat.

Wait, you're right. It IS impossible.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. The only way we are going to 'save' Mother Earth is by eliminating ourselves from this planet. Which we are well on our way to doing. The Earth will be just fine long after we're gone. Maybe our carcasses will power the vehicles of the next civilized(?) inhabitants.
cc_rider

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Posted: Jul 19, 2013 - 12:50pm

 kurtster wrote:


F*******************************************************k

So much for my dreams of moving to Hawaii ................{#Sad}

And after further thought, the Pacific Ocean Gyre / Pacific Ocean garbage patch which is a couple of times the size of Texas is where that flow is headed.  Not only will we have a cesspool of shit in the middle of the Pacific, its going to become radioactive making it nearly impossible to deal with, ever.

 

Naw, we just have to get international agreement that we are poisoning our little blue ball, and all work together to stop the wanton destruction of our habitat.

Wait, you're right. It IS impossible.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. The only way we are going to 'save' Mother Earth is by eliminating ourselves from this planet. Which we are well on our way to doing. The Earth will be just fine long after we're gone. Maybe our carcasses will power the vehicles of the next civilized(?) inhabitants.
kurtster

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Posted: Jul 19, 2013 - 12:09pm

 sirdroseph wrote: 

F*******************************************************k

So much for my dreams of moving to Hawaii ................{#Sad}

And after further thought, the Pacific Ocean Gyre / Pacific Ocean garbage patch which is a couple of times the size of Texas is where that flow is headed.  Not only will we have a cesspool of shit in the middle of the Pacific, its going to become radioactive making it nearly impossible to deal with, ever.


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Posted: Jul 19, 2013 - 11:33am

Holy Fukushima – Radiation From Japan Is Already Killing North Americans


glmace

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Posted: Jul 12, 2013 - 6:09pm

 miamizsun wrote:

the guys from teac have proposed an assembly line style production/placement of small LFTRs to strategically deal with transmission (line loss?) and reliability as well

the problem as you point out with solar, wind, tidal, etc is that due to timing/demand/storage issues it gets complicated and expensive

the beauty of LFTR is that thorium is plentiful and it could be a great core source/supply for literally hundreds of thousands of years

a base and/or bridge if you will until the next transition/technology gets discovered

regards


 
One more problem with wind,& gas turbines is they tend to be small generators and compound system swings. If you have several 50 MW turbines on the system and swing 100 MW's they tend to trip off and compound the problem. System reliability requires BIG generators to absorb the shock of units tripping or brown out and black outs will become more commonplace.
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Posted: Jul 12, 2013 - 8:43am

 islander wrote:

Transmission and storage are the two areas we need to work on most. I agree about diversity and think that a large number of much smaller production points will help with safety and reliability, but we need to be able to move the power around and store it when peak production is out of synch with peak demand. 

 
the guys from teac have proposed an assembly line style production/placement of small LFTRs to strategically deal with transmission (line loss?) and reliability as well

the problem as you point out with solar, wind, tidal, etc is that due to timing/demand/storage issues it gets complicated and expensive

the beauty of LFTR is that thorium is plentiful and it could be a great core source/supply for literally hundreds of thousands of years

a base and/or bridge if you will until the next transition/technology gets discovered

regards



pigtail

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Posted: Jul 12, 2013 - 8:20am

Permanent shut down of San Onofre!!! {#Dancingbanana_2}
islander

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Posted: Jul 12, 2013 - 6:59am

 glmace wrote:
I have been in the power generating industry for a long time ( 40 years) And my opinion is a deverse system is the way to go. they all have pro's and con's . Anytime you put all your generation in one source for fuel you will leave yourself open for higher utility bills. Coal is taking a beating right now from the environmentalests but I think is is spurred on from the natural gas companies. Solar power certainally is the best non poluting power source, but it is expensive to build. Right now there is a multi billion dollar transmittion line going up to ship wind power to California from Wyoming. They have thousands of square miles of desert they could utilize solar power right in their own state.

 
Transmission and storage are the two areas we need to work on most. I agree about diversity and think that a large number of much smaller production points will help with safety and reliability, but we need to be able to move the power around and store it when peak production is out of synch with peak demand. 
haresfur

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Posted: Jul 12, 2013 - 6:51am

An unintended consequence of the anti-nuclear movement is that the difficulty of getting new licences means that old design reactors are being operated for longer than intended.  So from that perspective the anti-nuke movement has made us less safe.  It's like everyone driving around in 1960s cars - we can do better.
glmace

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Posted: Jul 11, 2013 - 11:16pm

I have been in the power generating industry for a long time ( 40 years) And my opinion is a deverse system is the way to go. they all have pro's and con's . Anytime you put all your generation in one source for fuel you will leave yourself open for higher utility bills. Coal is taking a beating right now from the environmentalests but I think is is spurred on from the natural gas companies. Solar power certainally is the best non poluting power source, but it is expensive to build. Right now there is a multi billion dollar transmittion line going up to ship wind power to California from Wyoming. They have thousands of square miles of desert they could utilize solar power right in their own state.
miamizsun

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Posted: Jul 11, 2013 - 3:30pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I'm not engineery enough to know whether this whole Thorium thing is just hippie-fied nukes (they eat nuclear waste and poop MatchLight™ Brand charcoal briquets)  or if it's really the answer. And if it is the answer, how long and why not sooner? Any information sites out there you care to vouch for?

 
i believe it's very real

you guys can look up/read about the history of alvin weinberg and oak ridge (LFTR not solid fuel)

it shouldn't take long to glean some good data/evidence

or you can get some info from gordon mcdowell's youtube channel (good collection of thorium videos, some are technical, some are very easy to understand)

here's a vid of some old timers (last of the oak ridge boys)

enjoy

Published on Sep 28, 2012

Dick Engel and Syd Ball explain over dinner (and a post-dinner interview) their involvement with Oak Ridge National Laboratory's thorium molten salt research. Why are molten salt reactors important? Were there any significant challenges? Why was the program shut down?

Lazy8

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Posted: Jul 11, 2013 - 2:48pm

ScottFromWyoming wrote:
I'm not engineery enough to know whether this whole Thorium thing is just hippie-fied nukes (they eat nuclear waste and poop MatchLight™ Brand charcoal briquets)  or if it's really the answer. And if it is the answer, how long and why not sooner? Any information sites out there you care to vouch for?

Too early for me to separate the hype from reality on that one, and I haven't been paying enough attention for long enough. The fact that nobody anywhere on the planet is currently generating with thorium makes me think the devil in the details may be formidable.

Other technologies (like pebble bed or fast breeders) have proven track records, as does the current generation of commercial uranium reactors. I really like the elegance of the pebble bed approach but it's not without drawbacks.

If Fukushima had been a pebble bed reactor tho they might be generating power again by now, and nuclearphobia wouldn't have gotten its second wind.


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