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Posted: May 23, 2011 - 10:59am

 miamizsun wrote:
Revealing the Roots of U.S. Wars

America's denial of the roots of 9/11 is not a unique phenomenon in U.S. history, according to Ivan Eland, director of the Independent Institute's Center on Peace & Liberty. Although Osama Bin Laden told the world why he attacked-he detested specific U.S. policies in the Middle East-Americans did not want to hear this, just as they wished not to learn about U.S. policies that precipitated other security crises.

Like the citizens of many other countries, Americans believe that their government is blameless when it comes to taking up arms against other peoples: wars are simply thrust upon their government, which they absolve of any responsibility for helping to create the conditions that precipitated the crises. The pattern, Eland argues in his latest op-ed, can be found in the popular perception of the causes of the War of 1812, the Mexican-American War, the Civil War, the Battle of Little Bighorn, the Spanish-American War, World War I, World War II, the Vietnam War, the Iran hostage crisis, and the U.S. invasion of Grenada.

Americans need to better learn their history-and to see what their government does in their name. Were they to do so, they would learn scores of unacknowledged truths, such as that the War of 1812 was instigated by congressional "war hawks" who sought to grab land from Canada, that the Mexican-American War was precipitated by President James Polk's blockade of the Rio Grande, and that the attack on Pearl Harbor resulted from the United States cutting off oil and other vital resources to Japan. "American history vindicates the old saying that ‘truth is the first casualty of war,' Eland writes, "but the passage of time should allow a republic to undertake a more honest and dispassionate examination of historical events. It rarely does, with truth being swept under the rug in favor of assuming uncaused indignities.

 

"Unprovoked' Attacks, From 1812 to 9/11 by Ivan Eland (5/11/11)

The Empire Has No Clothes: U.S. Foreign Policy Exposed, by Ivan Eland

Recarving Rushmore: Ranking the Presidents on Peace, Prosperity, and Liberty, by Ivan Eland

Partitioning for Peace: An Exit Strategy for Iraq, by Ivan Eland

 

 

 



 


Now that is refreshing i have been so tired of initial Bush lies, "they hate our freedoms" being the extent of debate in the US over the last 10 years. What happened to, " know your enemy"?
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Posted: May 23, 2011 - 10:32am

 Beaker wrote:

You misspelled Republicans.
 


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Posted: May 23, 2011 - 10:31am

 Beaker wrote:

You misspelled Republicans.
 


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Posted: May 23, 2011 - 7:00am

War, what is it good for? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

95% of the world just wants to make a living, raise their family in peace and be left the HELL alone. The other 5% fucks everything up and wants us to be a part of it.
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Posted: May 23, 2011 - 6:54am

Revealing the Roots of U.S. Wars

America's denial of the roots of 9/11 is not a unique phenomenon in U.S. history, according to Ivan Eland, director of the Independent Institute's Center on Peace & Liberty. Although Osama Bin Laden told the world why he attacked-he detested specific U.S. policies in the Middle East-Americans did not want to hear this, just as they wished not to learn about U.S. policies that precipitated other security crises.

Like the citizens of many other countries, Americans believe that their government is blameless when it comes to taking up arms against other peoples: wars are simply thrust upon their government, which they absolve of any responsibility for helping to create the conditions that precipitated the crises. The pattern, Eland argues in his latest op-ed, can be found in the popular perception of the causes of the War of 1812, the Mexican-American War, the Civil War, the Battle of Little Bighorn, the Spanish-American War, World War I, World War II, the Vietnam War, the Iran hostage crisis, and the U.S. invasion of Grenada.

Americans need to better learn their history-and to see what their government does in their name. Were they to do so, they would learn scores of unacknowledged truths, such as that the War of 1812 was instigated by congressional "war hawks" who sought to grab land from Canada, that the Mexican-American War was precipitated by President James Polk's blockade of the Rio Grande, and that the attack on Pearl Harbor resulted from the United States cutting off oil and other vital resources to Japan. "American history vindicates the old saying that ‘truth is the first casualty of war,' Eland writes, "but the passage of time should allow a republic to undertake a more honest and dispassionate examination of historical events. It rarely does, with truth being swept under the rug in favor of assuming uncaused indignities.

 

"Unprovoked' Attacks, From 1812 to 9/11 by Ivan Eland (5/11/11)

The Empire Has No Clothes: U.S. Foreign Policy Exposed, by Ivan Eland

Recarving Rushmore: Ranking the Presidents on Peace, Prosperity, and Liberty, by Ivan Eland

Partitioning for Peace: An Exit Strategy for Iraq, by Ivan Eland

 

 

 


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Posted: Mar 31, 2011 - 7:56pm

 miamizsun wrote:
Must watch this....7 countries in 5 years


 
That's just another sound-byte taken out of context!</sarcasm> *rolls eyes* 
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Posted: Mar 31, 2011 - 6:54pm

Must watch this....7 countries in 5 years



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Posted: Mar 30, 2011 - 5:56am

Neither the Wars Nor the Leaders Were Great

March 29 • Ralph Raico

From the 18th century to our own time, the liberal tradition has stood firmly against war, based both on principle and on the reality of how and why wars begin, and also the wicked damage they do to society. The excuses for wars mask the underlying reason for them.




The king of Prussia, Frederick II ("the Great"), confessed that he had seized the province of Silesia from the Empress Maria Theresa in 1740 because, as a newcomer to the throne, he had to make a name for himself. This initiated a war with Austria that developed into a worldwide war (in North America, the French and Indian War), and went on to 1763. Of course, many tens of thousands died in that series of wars.

Frederick's admission is probably unique in the annals of leaders of states. In general, rulers have been much more circumspect about revealing the true reasons for their wars, as well as the methods by which they conduct them. Pretexts and evasions have proliferated. In today's democratic societies, these are endorsed - often invented - by compliant professors and other intellectuals.

For generations, the unmasking of such excuses for war and war making has been the essence of historical revisionism, or simply revisionism. Revisionism and classical liberalism, today called libertarianism, have always been closely linked.

 

for the rest see link above....




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Posted: Feb 15, 2011 - 7:51pm

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Dunno, man. I had such a day at work I feel like whipping someone's ass right now. Anyone's ass. 



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Posted: Feb 15, 2011 - 4:56pm

Survey Says: War Is the Irrational Choice
How many lives would you be willing to sacrifice to remove a murderous dictator like Saddam Hussein? Most of the models that researchers use to study conflicts like the Iraq war assume that civilians and leaders make a rational calculation: If the total cost of the war is less than the cost of the alternatives, they will support war. But according to a new study, those models are wrong. Surveys of people in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and other violent situations suggest that participants consistently ignored quantifiable costs and benefits, relying instead on "sacred values." The finding could lead to better predictions of when conflicts will escalate to violence.

Models of rational behavior predict many of society's patterns, such as the prevalence of tax evasion and union strikes. But seemingly irrational behaviors like war—in which the measurable costs often far outweigh the measurable benefits—have stumped researchers going back to Charles Darwin. The prospect of crippling economic burdens and huge numbers of deaths doesn't necessarily sway people from their positions on whether going to war is the right or wrong choice. One possible explanation is that people are not weighing the pros and cons at all, but rather using a moral logic of "sacred values"—convictions that trump all other considerations—that cannot be quantified.

To try to capture people in the act of making such decisions, psychologist Jeremy Ginges of the New School for Social Research in New York City and anthropologist Scott Atran of École Normale Superieure in Paris challenged people around the world with a series of difficult questions. (...)


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Posted: Dec 18, 2010 - 8:45am


"Hedges delivered a rousing speech about the nature of hope (in contrast to what certain campaign slogans might have suggested in recent years), pointing out that 'hope has a cost, hope is not comfortable,' before joining other supporters of Veterans for Peace who chained themselves to the White House fence."


‘Hope Is Action’: Hedges and Ellsberg Arrested at White House Protest

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/hope_is_action_hedges_ellsberg_arrested_at_white_house_protest_20101217/

Posted on Dec 17, 2010

On Thursday, author, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and Truthdig columnist Chris Hedges and Pentagon Papers whistle-blower Daniel Ellsberg were among the 131 anti-war activists arrested during a nonviolent demonstration outside the White House to protest against the war in Afghanistan as well as America’s ongoing conflicts in Iraq and Pakistan.

Hedges delivered a rousing speech about the nature of hope (in contrast to what certain campaign slogans might have suggested in recent years), pointing out that “hope has a cost, hope is not comfortable,” before joining other supporters of Veterans for Peace who chained themselves to the White House fence. When asked why he chose that course of action, Hedges replied, “Because it’s all we have left at this point. ... The normal mechanisms by which democratic participation are rendered possible in this country have been closed shut, and if we don’t do this, we die. This is what’s left of hope in this country.”

Ellsberg said he was drawn to the demonstration in part because veterans were leading the action. “I know that people here understand this war is as hopeless and wrong as the war we participated in in Vietnam, and it is not going to end by a presidential initiative,” he said. “It’ll only be because the American public has awakened to their responsibilities and to the realities of this war.” The “big lie” that the American government is telling its people now, Ellsberg believes, “is that these wars are protecting us at home.”  —KA



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Posted: Dec 18, 2010 - 7:41am

Passing the Bloodstained Buck
Posted on Dec 17, 2010

The mercenary firm formerly known as Blackwater has argued in court that the company's private contractors who killed 17 Iraqis in Baghdad in 2007 should not be held accountable. Why? It's Washington's fault, they claim, as Blackwater fighters were acting as employees of the U.S. government at the time. -JCL

Al-Jazeera English:

The security company formerly known as Blackwater has told a US federal judge that the US government, and not the company itself, should be held accountable for a 2007 shooting by its contractors that killed 17 Iraqis in Nisour Square in Baghdad.

Lawyers for the company, now known as Xe Services, argued in court on Thursday that Blackwater contractors were essentially acting as employees of the US government because they were providing security to State Department personnel.

The North Carolina-based company and several of its contractors are seeking the dismissal of a lawsuit that was filed on behalf of three people killed in the shooting: Ali Kinani, Abrahem Abed Al Mafraje and Mahde Sahab Naser Shamake. The lawsuit accuses the parties of wrongful death and negligence, and seeks punitive damages.

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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 3:46pm

 RichardPrins wrote: 
Typical government aggression.

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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 2:51pm

VIDEO: Police Arrest 131 Antiwar Protesters In Front Of White House

Pulitzer-winner, ex-CIA analyst, FBI whistleblower among those arrested outside White House
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Posted: Nov 5, 2010 - 9:07am

 rosedraws wrote:

The peaceful progressives lost custody of the word "Freedom" in the divorce.

As shown in so many ways, intellectuals and visionaries tend to be lousy at overpowering their opponent.

 
Agree with you there Rose!

There is a whole industry designed to divide us. I say that we have more in common that's being shared. We are being swept up in a circus of divisive culture and media.

Both sides value non-aggression and individual liberty - that's pretty solid ground to build bridges on, don't you think?

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Posted: Nov 5, 2010 - 8:48am

 Zep wrote:

"Liberal" means a lot more than anti-war.  As demonstrated by history, many left-leaning, leftist, and far-left governments have adopted aggressive stands in warfare.

The splits currently emerging on both sides of the aisle in American politics are laying bare another political reality: the current two-party system is insufficient in representing the needs of the voters.

 
I do not believe that "liberal" can be equated with the other examples you give. Those people are not liberal, they are ideologues, just like the extremists on the right, but with different dogma. Liberals, according to Merriam-Webster: associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives.

We need to start looking at right/left/liberal/conservative as terms, because there has been a definite shift in what these actually mean. imo, the terms are archaic and don't actually define political groups properly.

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Posted: Nov 5, 2010 - 8:34am

 Romulus wrote:
I just wish liberals would go back to being anti-war. I think the grassroots should come together on that issue.. along with other issues that we have in common.

Instead you have others dividing us apart.

Freedom & Peace are popular.
 
The peaceful progressives lost custody of the word "Freedom" in the divorce.

As shown in so many ways, intellectuals and visionaries tend to be lousy at overpowering their opponent.
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Posted: Nov 5, 2010 - 6:21am

I just wish liberals would go back to being anti-war. I think the grassroots should come together on that issue.. along with other issues that we have in common.

Instead you have others dividing us apart.

Freedom & Peace are popular.
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Posted: Nov 5, 2010 - 5:23am

 beamends wrote:

When compassion overtakes greed as a virtue, and others ideas and culture are truly respected.

I'm not holding my breath.........
 
Oh my! That sure doesn't look like how I pasted it! I don't know what happened, but I fixed it.

People will have to give up their stories before they can see that peace is the answer, not hate. We are far away from that.

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Posted: Nov 5, 2010 - 5:11am

 hippiechick wrote:
Come on, people! Come on, children!COme on down to the glory river.Gonna wash you up, and wash you down,
gonna lay the devil down, gonna lay that devil down.I got fury in my soul,fury's gonna take me to the glory goal. In my mind I can't study war no more.Save the people! Save the children! Save the country now!Come on, people! come on, children! Come on down to the glory river. Save the Country by Laura NyroGonna wash you up and wash you down. Gonna lay the devil down, gonna lay that devil down.Come on people! Sons and mothers! Keep the dream of the two young brothers. Gonna take that dream and ride that dove.
We could build the dream with love, I know, We could build the dream with love, I know, We could build a dream with love, children, We could build the dream with love, oh people,We could build the dream with love, I know,We could build the dream with love.

————

When are we going to stop killing each other?

 
When compassion overtakes greed as a virtue, and others ideas and culture are truly respected.

I'm not holding my breath.........

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