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islander

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Posted: Jan 26, 2012 - 8:23am

 cc_rider wrote:
Exactly. I had the chance to buy some Klipschorns once...

 
When I got the RS IIIs, they had an RS beta setup. Talk about an amazing sound. I didn't have the money or the space to even consider it. The sales guy said "that's okay, someday you'll get married and most wives won't put up with them".  I think that's still the best speaker I've ever heard.
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Posted: Jan 26, 2012 - 8:11am

 islander wrote:

When Mrs. Islander and I were just starting to date, she recruited an older 'guru' type that I respected to tell me it was time to sell the ginormous speakers of youth (band name) and move on to something a little more 'grown up'. He was about 1/3 of the way through the speech when I said "but these are Infinity RS IIIa speakers, and I got a sweet deal on them". He stopped and said "oh... yeah, you should definitely keep those". She's grown to really like them now because of the sound, but I think she would trade them for something smaller in a heartbeat. 
 
Its nice that you kept them and repaired them. They would be very hard to replace with something new that sounded as good that didn't cost a fortune. Brings back the days of replacing surrounds on lots of AR's and Dahlquist drivers for friends. The great thing is that the new surrounds will last lots lots longer than the originals.


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Posted: Jan 26, 2012 - 8:09am

 islander wrote:

When Mrs. Islander and I were just starting to date, she recruited an older 'guru' type that I respected to tell me it was time to sell the ginormous speakers of youth (band name) and move on to something a little more 'grown up'. He was about 1/3 of the way through the speech when I said "but these are Infinity RS IIIa speakers, and I got a sweet deal on them". He stopped and said "oh... yeah, you should definitely keep those". She's grown to really like them now because of the sound, but I think she would trade them for something smaller in a heartbeat. 

  Exactly. I had the chance to buy some Klipschorns once...


islander

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Posted: Jan 26, 2012 - 8:06am

 cc_rider wrote:
I have never repaired surrounds, but I've never had drivers really worth repairing. I have replaced drivers before though. You can usually find a driver that will fit from 'Parts Express', and often you can get a MUCH higher quality unit. Sure, the exact design details may not be optimum for the driver, but unless you get something really exotic, it's likely to be in the ballpark.

 
When Mrs. Islander and I were just starting to date, she recruited an older 'guru' type that I respected to tell me it was time to sell the ginormous speakers of youth (band name) and move on to something a little more 'grown up'. He was about 1/3 of the way through the speech when I said "but these are Infinity RS IIIa speakers, and I got a sweet deal on them". He stopped and said "oh... yeah, you should definitely keep those". She's grown to really like them now because of the sound, but I think she would trade them for something smaller in a heartbeat. 
islander

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Posted: Jan 26, 2012 - 8:02am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I went to wooferrepair.com and their surrounds kits come with a dvd for the hard of understanding.
 
My pix 
 
My woofers don't have a logo, so they are "omnidirectional". 
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Posted: Jan 26, 2012 - 8:01am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I went to wooferrepair.com and their surrounds kits come with a dvd for the hard of understanding.
 
My pix 

  I have never repaired surrounds, but I've never had drivers really worth repairing. I have replaced drivers before though. You can usually find a driver that will fit from 'Parts Express', and often you can get a MUCH higher quality unit. Sure, the exact design details may not be optimum for the driver, but unless you get something really exotic, it's likely to be in the ballpark.


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Posted: Jan 26, 2012 - 7:53am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I went to wooferrepair.com and their surrounds kits come with a dvd for the hard of understanding.
 
My pix 

 
Kewl.  Bookmarked !

Good pics, too.

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Posted: Jan 26, 2012 - 7:40am

 bokey wrote:
What a cool idea!!Now this the reason I wade through the screeching,psychotic rantings at RP-sometimes you find a hidden nugget like this.I may not try this anytime soon,but once work commences on La Casa de Bokey,I'll have to install one of these for temporary speakers for the deck/patio/horseshoe pit/backyard bass pond.
 
Who you callin' 'screeching'?

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Posted: Jan 26, 2012 - 7:32am

 kurtster wrote:


Thanks.

It would be interesting to hear them again.  I took one apart about 25 years ago to diagnose the failing surrounds. 

I found some embarassing things inside I had forgotten about from using the port as a hiding place.  Evidently they got shoved all the way through and fell in.  The other one has never been apart.  I will know for sure to crack it open with no one else around.  Could be like a time capsule thing. 
 
I went to wooferrepair.com and their surrounds kits come with a dvd for the hard of understanding.
 
My pix 
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Posted: Jan 26, 2012 - 7:26am

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Thanks.

It would be interesting to hear them again.  I took one apart about 25 years ago to diagnose the failing surrounds. 

I found some embarassing things inside I had forgotten about from using the port as a hiding place.  Evidently they got shoved all the way through and fell in.  The other one has never been apart.  I will know for sure to crack it open with no one else around.  Could be like a time capsule thing. 
 
I'm refoaming a pair of Infinity RS IIIs right now. It's pretty easy, but a bit slow. Mine have two woofers each, so it's twice the time/effort. I started with the worst one (I was surprised how good they sounded once I pulled the grills and saw the condition of the surrounds), but it's so much better I'm pushing the schedule up on the other one now.  Mine are acoustic suspension, so there was nothing of interest to find inside.
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Posted: Jan 26, 2012 - 7:06am

 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:

When I did production drywall taping, I used extension cords for speaker wire plugged into a standard wall plug mounted in the bed of my truck.
I cut the 1/2 hot clip on the plug that allowed left and right channels.        
I wired it to a 100% fader in my cab that let me turn off the speakers inside to "outside" speakers.
That let me put the speakers into the house I was working on.
Unlike some guys who backed up to the house, opened the doors and proceeded to get radios banned from the job site.

This was a very durable system.
Well until I accidentally plugged my speakers into 120.

 
What a cool idea! ! Now this the reason I wade through the screeching, psychotic rantings at RP-sometimes you find a hidden nugget like this. I may not try this anytime soon, but once work commences on La Casa de Bokey, I'll have to install one of these for temporary speakers for the deck/patio/horseshoe pit/backyard bass pond.


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Posted: Jan 26, 2012 - 6:58am

 black321 wrote:
Kurt, re. your old speakers, replacing the surrounds is a fairly easy job...I recently did it on an old pair.  Simply type  the speaker name and model into ebay and you will most likely see some seller with a surround repair kit available, with instructions.  My kit cost about $15. Or try your local high end audio shop...they might have an option (but more than likely cost your more).  Here's a link for a start:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=cerwin+vega+surround&_sacat=See-All-Categories
 

Thanks.

It would be interesting to hear them again.  I took one apart about 25 years ago to diagnose the failing surrounds. 

I found some embarassing things inside I had forgotten about from using the port as a hiding place.  Evidently they got shoved all the way through and fell in.  The other one has never been apart.  I will know for sure to crack it open with no one else around.  Could be like a time capsule thing. 
black321

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Posted: Jan 26, 2012 - 6:50am

Kurt, re. your old speakers, replacing the surrounds is a fairly easy job...I recently did it on an old pair.  Simply type  the speaker name and model into ebay and you will most likely see some seller with a surround repair kit available, with instructions.  My kit cost about $15. Or try your local high end audio shop...they might have an option (but more than likely cost your more).  Here's a link for a start:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=cerwin+vega+surround&_sacat=See-All-Categories

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Posted: Jan 26, 2012 - 6:48am

 fuzzy wrote:

Bose dissing may help change my opinion on the (current?) product itself (or the company or it's marketing schemes), but it ain't never gonna change what i heard that day. And as much as i love my iPod, i would love to have any CD player that would give me the same sound i heard coming from that Bose. Now, if some of you want to get into a "Ford is better than Chev" argument over this, go ahead. I'll just sit on the curb and watch the religious debate. With my iPod plugged in, of course. {#Music}{#Wink}

 



Bose is the alternative for those who don't want to or are unable to take the time to look into the numerous superior alternatives. Or for those that want a simplistic system without all those "nasty" wires. The price and advertising are geared to a financially better off group that value convenience and visual aesthetic over true quality sound.

But as others have indicated if it satisfies you that is what is important.
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Posted: Jan 26, 2012 - 6:25am

 fuzzy wrote:

Bose dissing may help change my opinion on the (current?) product itself (or the company or it's marketing schemes), but it ain't never gonna change what i heard that day. And as much as i love my iPod, i would love to have any CD player that would give me the same sound i heard coming from that Bose. Now, if some of you want to get into a "Ford is better than Chev" argument over this, go ahead. I'll just sit on the curb and watch the religious debate. With my iPod plugged in, of course. {#Music}{#Wink}

  
 

I never bit into the 901 stuff way back when.  I kept considering their smaller bookshelf stuff the 501's and 301's or whatever.  But still never went that way.  With the 901's, I was mystified as to why speakers needed a processor just to work properly.  I understood crossovers and their function, but those were hardwired into the speakers as part of not prior to. 

All my buddies had either A / R or JBL's back in the day, that had impressive sounding rigs.  By the time I was able to have my own place and afford my own stuff, I ended up with 3 way Cerwin Vega's powered by a Marantz 2020.  Couldn't afford acoustic suspension, so I went the bass reflex way after much consideration and listening.  Still have the Vega's, but the surrounds are rotted out.  They're huge, sitting in the garage, in their boxes, as they have been for the past 15 years, at least.  Don't know what to do with them.  Now the primary speakers are 15 year old Radio Shack Optimus (polypropylene surrounds) with the dual Mylar ribbon dipole tweeters with a passive 12 or 15 inch subwoofer in front of them.  I got a second pair of the Optimus' along the way, but they were made in Malaysia while the first ones where Japanese.  I could hear an audible difference immediately and the Malaysians were the rear channel for the old pro logic surround and now are back in their boxes, just listening in 2.1 stereo.

Back to the Bose.  Lived downstairs from a friend who had their clock radio CD box and listened to it for about 5 years while I lived in that house.  I was always impressed with the sound from the little thing and he was very happy with it.  The price IMO was not worth it, but he was happy so that was all that mattered and it was pretty decent overall.  He has since graduated to a Bose new unit with a separate subwoofer, which while sounding good, just didn't seem to sound better considering the price jump and time passed with technology and all.  But he is downstairs where I used to live and its a boomy space with hardwood floors and lot's of hard surfaces to reflect off of as opposed to upstairs that was a small room with wall to wall carpeting.  Downstairs was wall to wall carpet when I lived there, but he ripped it out.

If I had a small efficiency apartment or was living in a bus sized Bluebird motor home, the Bose would prolly work at an acceptable level. But that's it. 

To the mp3 part of this discussion.  Being broke, I went after improving the source material as opposed to the playback.  Imported vinyl and the best 8 track and cassette blanks for recording.  The better the source material, the better the final product.  Crappy speakers would sound better with a better signal source.  The old garbage in, garbage out route. 

Back in the day, music was processed for the end listener medium.  Disregarding classical music, Mono AM radio with a 10k cutoff at first.  The music was 'mixed' and engineered for playback on a large one way low res speaker.  We were all used to it and accepted it not having heard anything better, so we were all happy.  Then came Mad Man Muntz and his 4 track carts that gave way to the 8 track.  IIRC the 4 tracks were used for decades as commercial carts in broadcast radio up until very recently (10 years ago in some cases ?)  The Beatles went into the studio one day as the legend goes and Lennon or McCartney asked Martin what this switch was for.  The pop EQ vs. Classical EQ on the master console.  From that point on, the treatment of the original product changed forever.  Tracks for 'pop' music were considered for different new ways of playback on new fuller resolution and stereo playback devices.  The user / listener had something new to chase.  None of this was new to classical and jazz listeners who had r2r and decent vinyl rigs all along.  Both sides of the equation were rising their standards to exceed present.  Finally the limits were reached in the 70's and flash forward to the CD in 1980.  Finally there was a universal standard playback medium that was full rez and would sound the same every time.  Then came computers and file size issues.

Algorithms, yada, yada to .mp3 to deal with file size issues.  Forget the copyright stuff.  The market changed.  Terradio was dead or dying, the Ipod arrived and people were willing to sacrifice a lot, to have something better and portable.  Sales for CD's dropped and purchase of single song .mp3's increased.  The bar was lowered in the industry to mass produce something that would sound better on the crappy new medium and sell.  So if that's Neil's argument, then I get it.  But, I see hope down the road.

As someone said earlier, storage or file size will no longer be an issue.  The excuses for compression will no longer be valid.  What's the industry gonna do ?  They sure as hell are not going to sell us wav. files.  They are going to want to hold back and sell us something of lesser quality.  What will be the new acceptable level ?  flac. ?  Will CD's disappear, lowering the maximum rez end user available source ?  We get back to the oldest of industry games, how good will they let us have it and what's it gonna cost ?  Its hard to see the listening end of technology getting any better, short of implants in our cortexes.

I guess the mass produced American Idol flavor of the month stuff will be mixed for deaf kids and young adults listening to earbuds.  That's where the money is.  Those of us who can still hear and know better and care will soon die off.  Our standards will no longer matter.  It will be up to the artist to set standards for themselves and market directly to their listener.  That's were the good stuff will be available.

Bands can have a kiosk at their concerts where a spectator can walk up and buy a password for a download, including artwork and skip the brick and mortar end of the business altogether, ala I-Tunes.  Interesting.


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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 - 8:33pm

 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:

Now wouldn't that be nice and simple.
Not in my life. {#Lol}

On a standard household plug on the exposed side, there's a small brass strip connecting the two receptacles together.
If you cut it, it makes the top and bottom two separate plugs in simple terms.
This is how they make 1/2 hot plugs.
So I ran the left channel + and - into the top receptacle and the right channel  +  -  into the bottom one.
Two cords for two speakers.
Instant quick connects.

 
Well that's what I thought but then I was all plug-outlet-plug-outlet waitaminit.  
 
Plus the extension cord's 14 ga or heavier maybe so you can get away with running it 50 or 100 feet maybe.
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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 - 7:57pm

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What's this mean? You can use 1 extension cord for 2 speakers?

You could, but you'd have to split it at the speaker end.

Run the left and right signals thru the hot and neutral lines, and a common ground thru the ground line. I wouldn't want to run something like that very far because it will pick up all kinds of noise, but for short runs it would probably be clean enough.

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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 - 4:40pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
What's this mean? You can use 1 extension cord for 2 speakers?

 
Now wouldn't that be nice and simple.
Not in my life. {#Lol}

On a standard household plug on the exposed side, there's a small brass strip connecting the two receptacles together.
If you cut it, it makes the top and bottom two separate plugs in simple terms.
This is how they make 1/2 hot plugs.
So I ran the left channel + and - into the top receptacle and the right channel  +  -  into the bottom one.
Two cords for two speakers.
Instant quick connects.


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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 - 3:11pm

 jagdriver wrote:
 DaveInVA wrote:

Stinky always makes a certain sound before he jumps so at least he gives a warning
 

 
Yes just like that!
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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 - 2:57pm

 DaveInVA wrote:

Stinky always makes a certain sound before he jumps so at least he gives a warning
 


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