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Lazy8

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021 - 12:34pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
If something surprises you and you shout "Holy Cow!" do you have to do some sort of penance?

In that event I am required by union rules to have a barbecue.
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Posted: Apr 15, 2021 - 12:25pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
 Lazy8 wrote:
It's National Ask An Atheist Day!
Do intelligent design failures outnumber intelligent design successes and if so, how would we ever know?
 
The proof isn't necessarily in the pudding, rather the tasting? or know? 

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021 - 12:16pm

 Lazy8 wrote:


It's National Ask An Atheist Day!


Do intelligent design failures outnumber intelligent design successes and if so, how would we ever know?


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Posted: Apr 15, 2021 - 11:13am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
If something surprises you and you shout "Holy Cow!" do you have to do some sort of penance?

Do you eat beef (or pork)? If so, welcome to the club.

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021 - 10:56am

 Lazy8 wrote:


It's National Ask An Atheist Day!

If something surprises you and you shout "Holy Cow!" do you have to do some sort of penance?

Lazy8

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Posted: Apr 15, 2021 - 10:31am



It's National Ask An Atheist Day!

Lazy8

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Posted: Apr 22, 2020 - 7:07pm

Ohmsen wrote:
Yes, I'm done at what you name it. Ever since man had this thing going, I'm done. Are you? ~ Maybe not so.

It seems like English might not be your native language, but let's try again. Still don't know what any of this:

Glad I missed it. No need for me to dig through endless mud.
Except for the Muddy Waters' mud.

Aggravating energies are being stirred here. Divisiveness, where there could be unity for man.

Intrinsically violent and hateful, it seems.

Like we want world leaders to be traumatized by abuse, in order to tell us...

Blind leading the blind.

means.

Perhaps you could simplify your concern into...maybe a question.

Or try this: It seems to bother you that there are people who don't believe in gods. Is it just that they don't believe in gods in general, or yours in particular?

Why does this bother you?

No one is telling you to stop believing in yours.

If you just want spew word salad, well...peace, brother. I hope it gives you solace.
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Posted: Apr 21, 2020 - 4:08pm

 Ohmsen wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 Ohmsen wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 Ohmsen wrote:
 R_P wrote:
I don't think you'll get much unity by judging atheists to be negative and divisive, but keep trying...
 
Sorry if I am, or seem to be judging. If so, limits arise in my personal ability to listen to any such hate-mongering.
Make of it what you will...
 
Not willing (or able) to listen means you won't get an answer to your question.
 
Ok, now I (finally) forced myself to the end of the video, R_P. Thank you for the doubtful "pleasure".

I find the logic behind the reasoning pathologic. It is all I can say and have said here, so far (as for 'judging' from my end). The "innate" goodness and moral values you mentioned as evident in his talk really must be disguised beyond my  field of perception. So sorry.... for the Social Justice movement.
 
The question then is why do you find/judge it to be "pathologic"? There is no explanation.  People do not have innate goodness or moral values?
 
Those are my spectacles. Forgive me. I have studied man by myself, getting to know some hundreds professionally, on an intimate level of mutual respect. Not meaning to honcho you. 
 
It seems you can't or won't answer questions. Too bad.
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Posted: Apr 21, 2020 - 3:51pm

 Ohmsen wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 Ohmsen wrote:
 R_P wrote:
I don't think you'll get much unity by judging atheists to be negative and divisive, but keep trying...
 
Sorry if I am, or seem to be judging. If so, limits arise in my personal ability to listen to any such hate-mongering.
Make of it what you will...
 
Not willing (or able) to listen means you won't get an answer to your question.
 
Ok, now I (finally) forced myself to the end of the video, R_P. Thank you for the doubtful "pleasure".

I find the logic behind the reasoning pathologic. It is all I can say and have said here, so far (as for 'judging' from my end). The "innate" goodness and moral values you mentioned as evident in his talk really must be disguised beyond my  field of perception. So sorry.... for the Social Justice movement.
 
The question then is why do you find/judge it to be "pathologic"? There is no explanation.  People do not have innate goodness or moral values?
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Posted: Apr 21, 2020 - 3:39pm



 Lazy8 wrote:
Ohmsen wrote:
I was asking about goodness and moral values. ~ While there certainly is no shortage of moral values being put in front, as the New Atheism morphed into the Social Justice movement seems beyond debate. 

Yet where the focus goes, the energy flows. 

Meaning, I can concentrate on this or that, and strengthen it this way. ~ Why does it always have to be negative with these atheist lighthouse-keepers? Negative in negating the purposed 'other'? Concentrating on 'their' failures and wrongdoings?

Does that lead to any progress for society as a whole? 

Since Cain and Abel, not. 

*chuckle*

I'm almost certain you just tried to say something.
 
Sorry, I can't help here: I don't care if God exists or not - I'm an apatheist

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Posted: Apr 21, 2020 - 3:09pm

 Ohmsen wrote:
 R_P wrote:
I don't think you'll get much unity by judging atheists to be negative and divisive, but keep trying...
 
Sorry if I am, or seem to be judging. If so, limits arise in my personal ability to listen to any such hate-mongering.
Make of it what you will...
 
Not willing (or able) to listen means you won't get an answer to your question.
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Posted: Apr 21, 2020 - 2:18pm

 Ohmsen wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 Ohmsen wrote:
Aggravating energies are being stirred here. Divisiveness, where there could be unity for man

Intrinsically violent and hateful, it seems. 

Like we want world leaders to be traumatized by abuse, in order to tell us...

Blind leading the blind.
 
Kumbaya.
 
And Amen.
 
I don't think you'll get much unity by judging atheists to be negative and divisive, but keep trying...
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Posted: Apr 21, 2020 - 2:16pm



 Ohmsen wrote:


 R_P wrote:
 Ohmsen wrote:
Aggravating energies are being stirred here. Divisiveness, where there could be unity for man

Intrinsically violent and hateful, it seems. 

Like we want world leaders to be traumatized by abuse, in order to tell us...

Blind leading the blind.
 
Kumbaya.
 

And Amen.
 

The primary obstacle to unity is religion.
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Posted: Apr 21, 2020 - 2:08pm

 Ohmsen wrote:
Aggravating energies are being stirred here. Divisiveness, where there could be unity for man

Intrinsically violent and hateful, it seems. 

Like we want world leaders to be traumatized by abuse, in order to tell us...

Blind leading the blind.
 
Kumbaya.
Lazy8

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Posted: Apr 21, 2020 - 2:02pm

Ohmsen wrote:
Read my last post, if you like.
 
Are you done editing it? 'Cuz it still seems kinda half-baked.
Lazy8

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Posted: Apr 21, 2020 - 1:50pm

Ohmsen wrote:
I was asking about goodness and moral values. ~ While there certainly is no shortage of moral values being put in front, as the New Atheism morphed into the Social Justice movement seems beyond debate. 

Yet where the focus goes, the energy flows. 

Meaning, I can concentrate on this or that, and strengthen it this way. ~ Why does it always have to be negative with these atheist lighthouse-keepers? Negative in negating the purposed 'other'? Concentrating on 'their' failures and wrongdoings?

Does that lead to any progress for society as a whole? 

Since Cain and Abel, not. 

*chuckle*

I'm almost certain you just tried to say something.
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Posted: Apr 21, 2020 - 1:50pm



 Ohmsen wrote:

I was asking about goodness and moral values. ~ While there certainly is no shortage of moral values being put in front, as the New Atheism morphed into the Social Justice movement seems beyond debate. 

Yet where the focus goes, the energy flows. 

Meaning, I can concentrate on this or that, and strengthen it this way. ~ Why does it always have to be negative with these atheist lighthouse-keepers? Negative in negating the purposed 'other'? Concentrating on 'their' failures and wrongdoings?

Does that lead to any progress for society as a whole? 

Since Cain and Abel, not. 

*chuckle*
 
The clip is from a debate. Hitch was making his point that morality is innate by pointing out the glaring immorality of religion.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2020 - 1:40pm

 Ohmsen wrote:
 Red_Dragon wrote:

 
<quote>Curse and displeasure<unquote>, yes. Bashing religion, yes. Not really what I asked, an opposite, rather.
 
You missed the answer: it's innate.
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Posted: Apr 21, 2020 - 1:28pm



 Ohmsen wrote:



<quote>Curse and displeasure<unquote>, yes. Bashing religion, yes. Not really what I asked, an opposite, rather.
 

Pointing out the horrific realities of it qualifies as "bashing"?
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Posted: Apr 21, 2020 - 1:18pm

 Ohmsen wrote:
What of goodness and moral values?

Those 4 horsemen don't necessarily seem to follow. ~ Or?!
 
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