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sirdroseph

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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 - 10:59am

 islander wrote:

I wish Gary Johnson could just go for the cool vote:

Gary Johnson is cooler than you. He lost toes to frostbite on Mount Everest (he made the summit). He's also stood atop McKinley and Kilimanjaro. He competes in mountain bike races. He broke his knee and back in a parachute mishap. 

Oh, and during his two terms as governer of New Mexico he fixed the budget problems, dealt with immigration, increased jobs and remodeled the governor's mansion. 
 
Ain't now way someone with that much common sense will ever sniff the White House, but he does have my vote which of course will do him absolutely no good!{#Lol}
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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 - 10:57am

 Monkeysdad wrote:


Okay, I went back a reread the article, how'd you go from the rich stealing OR illegals getting a windfall from tax credits/stealing  to how I'm going to vote?

 
Because Romney is one of the biggest tax offenders around.
Monkeysdad

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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 - 10:52am

 hippiechick wrote:

Does that mean you will not vote for Romney?

 

Okay, I went back a reread the article, how'd you go from the rich stealing OR illegals getting a windfall from tax credits/stealing  to how I'm going to vote?


islander

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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 - 10:45am

 sirdroseph wrote:


Gary Johnson awaits your vote Dave!{#Cheers}

 
I wish Gary Johnson could just go for the cool vote:

Gary Johnson is cooler than you. He lost toes to frostbite on Mount Everest (he made the summit). He's also stood atop McKinley and Kilimanjaro. He competes in mountain bike races. He broke his knee and back in a parachute mishap. 

Oh, and during his two terms as governer of New Mexico he fixed the budget problems, dealt with immigration, increased jobs and remodeled the governor's mansion. 

sirdroseph

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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 - 10:01am

 DaveInVA wrote:

I don't want to vote for any of them, its like being asked "Do you want to ge shot with a shotgun or a 45?"

 

Gary Johnson awaits your vote Dave!{#Cheers}
hippiechick

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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 - 10:00am

 DaveInVA wrote:

I don't want to vote for any of them, its like being asked "Do you want to ge shot with a shotgun or a 45?"

 
{#Whisper} I was actually asking MD but thanks for playing
DaveInVA

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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 - 9:59am

 hippiechick wrote:

Does that mean you will not vote for Romney?

 
I don't want to vote for any of them, its like being asked "Do you want to ge shot with a shotgun or a 45?"


hippiechick

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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 - 9:47am

 Monkeysdad wrote:

I get all up when anybody does it.

 
Does that mean you will not vote for Romney?
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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 - 9:45am

 hippiechick wrote:

Why is it that rich people can steal, but we get all up when poor people do it?

 
I get all up when anybody does it.
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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 - 9:31am

 cc_rider wrote:
I think it's similar to the EIC or something. You have more deductions than you have income, so they give you money. I don't think it's a refund.

Again, the system is broken. No matter how you feel about the situation, the system simply does not work for the good of the people. Well, not for the vast majority of wage-earners, anyway.

 
Why is it that rich people can steal, but we get all up when poor people do it?
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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 - 9:28am

 hippiechick wrote:

How do you get a refund if you don't pay in? The refurn is for overpaying, right?
 

  I think it's similar to the EIC or something. You have more deductions than you have income, so they give you money. I don't think it's a refund.

Again, the system is broken. No matter how you feel about the situation, the system simply does not work for the good of the people. Well, not for the vast majority of wage-earners, anyway.


DaveInVA

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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 - 9:27am

 hippiechick wrote:

How do you get a refund if you don't pay in? The refurn is for overpaying, right?
 

 
From the article:

"Refundable credits can result in refunds even if no income tax is withheld or paid," the report noted. "

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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 - 9:24am

 DaveInVA wrote:

It does say that many that didn't pay any income taxes still claimed the refund. And many don't file at all..And  its beyond broken. 

 
How do you get a refund if you don't pay in? The refurn is for overpaying, right?
 
DaveInVA

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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 - 9:22am

 cc_rider wrote:
Interesting.

1) So illegal workers actually DO pay taxes on their income. Plus sales tax on their purchases, et al. Kinda shoots a hole in THAT talking point.

2) The law is vague and apparently unenforced. Whose fault is that? Not really the ditch-digger's problem, he's trying to work the system just like everybody else.

3) The problem should be fixed, absolutely.

4) $4.2B into the estimated 12 million illegal workers comes out to about $350/person. I've seen the jobs those folks do, I find it pretty difficult to begrudge them that.

We have two big problems contributing here:
1) Our tax system is hopelessly complex.

2) Our immigration policy, even our very borders, are a patchwork, and loosely enforced if at all.

 
It does say that many that didn't pay any income taxes still claimed the refund. And many don't file at all to pay taxes..And  its beyond broken. 


cc_rider

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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 - 7:56am

 DaveInVA wrote:  Interesting.

1) So illegal workers actually DO pay taxes on their income. Plus sales tax on their purchases, et al. Kinda shoots a hole in THAT talking point.

2) The law is vague and apparently unenforced. Whose fault is that? Not really the ditch-digger's problem, he's trying to work the system just like everybody else.

3) The problem should be fixed, absolutely.

4) $4.2B into the estimated 12 million illegal workers comes out to about $350/person. I've seen the jobs those folks do, I find it pretty difficult to begrudge them that.

We have two big problems contributing here:
1) Our tax system is hopelessly complex.

2) Our immigration policy, even our very borders, are a patchwork, and loosely enforced if at all.


DaveInVA

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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 - 7:46am

Illegal Workers Used Tax Credit to Pocket $4.2 Billion, Audit Shows

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Posted: Apr 25, 2012 - 7:54pm

 kurtster wrote:

That's what you get for getting a pork chop at an Italian restuarant.  Chinese restuarants have always been the best place for a good pork chop.

 
Except those small ones they serve probably used to bark more than oink..
oldviolin

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Posted: Apr 25, 2012 - 7:51pm

 kurtster wrote:

That's what you get for getting a pork chop at an Italian restuarant.  Chinese restuarants have always been the best place for a good pork chop.

 
{#Snooty}Check that! My Mama had 'em beat by worlds...

rabbithole


kurtster

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Posted: Apr 25, 2012 - 7:49pm

 oldviolin wrote:


I got a bad pork chop at Macaroni Grill once.  I puked my shoe heels up for three days straight.  I will NEVER eat there again.

 
That's what you get for getting a pork chop at an Italian restuarant.  Chinese restuarants have always been the best place for a good pork chop.
oldviolin

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Posted: Apr 25, 2012 - 7:43pm

 oldslabsides wrote:
What I have to say on the immigration issue...

If the world is gonna play the nation state game, then borders have to mean something. 

 

I got a bad pork chop at Macaroni Grill once.  I puked my shoe heels up for three days straight.  I will NEVER eat there again.

oh, wait! my bad...
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