[ ]   [ ]   [ ]                        [ ]      [ ]   [ ]

Radio Paradise Comments - kenmo - Jun 25, 2022 - 10:59pm
 
Supreme Court Rulings - kurtster - Jun 25, 2022 - 10:54pm
 
Wordle - daily game - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Jun 25, 2022 - 10:11pm
 
RightWingNutZ - kcar - Jun 25, 2022 - 7:15pm
 
What Did You Do Today? - Antigone - Jun 25, 2022 - 5:14pm
 
Positive Thoughts and Prayer Requests - Antigone - Jun 25, 2022 - 4:48pm
 
M.A.G.A. - R_P - Jun 25, 2022 - 4:25pm
 
Terrorist Watch! - Red_Dragon - Jun 25, 2022 - 2:58pm
 
Hockey + Fantasy Hockey - GeneP59 - Jun 25, 2022 - 2:32pm
 
I like cheese - GeneP59 - Jun 25, 2022 - 2:29pm
 
SECESSION: The Republic of Texas? - Isabeau - Jun 25, 2022 - 2:20pm
 
Name My Band - Isabeau - Jun 25, 2022 - 2:11pm
 
Counting with Pictures - ScottN - Jun 25, 2022 - 1:15pm
 
The Abortion Wars - R_P - Jun 25, 2022 - 11:52am
 
Love is... - oldviolin - Jun 25, 2022 - 10:42am
 
Live Music - oldviolin - Jun 25, 2022 - 10:28am
 
What is the meaning of this? - oldviolin - Jun 25, 2022 - 10:14am
 
YouTube: Music-Videos - oldviolin - Jun 25, 2022 - 10:10am
 
Today in History - HarleyRider - Jun 25, 2022 - 9:56am
 
What Are You Going To Do Today? - Red_Dragon - Jun 25, 2022 - 9:52am
 
260,000 Posts in one thread? - oldviolin - Jun 25, 2022 - 9:25am
 
How's the weather? - GeneP59 - Jun 24, 2022 - 6:49pm
 
Things You Thought Today - GeneP59 - Jun 24, 2022 - 6:32pm
 
Bug Reports & Feature Requests - lminfo - Jun 24, 2022 - 5:12pm
 
Vinyl Only Spin List - KurtfromLaQuinta - Jun 24, 2022 - 4:11pm
 
Germany - R_P - Jun 24, 2022 - 2:38pm
 
Stuff you bought today. - ScottFromWyoming - Jun 24, 2022 - 10:25am
 
• • • The Once-a-Day • • •  - black321 - Jun 24, 2022 - 8:53am
 
Country Up The Bumpkin - oldviolin - Jun 24, 2022 - 8:42am
 
Memorials - Remembering Our Loved Ones - miamizsun - Jun 24, 2022 - 8:12am
 
Trump - islander - Jun 24, 2022 - 8:06am
 
Ukraine - R_P - Jun 23, 2022 - 11:35pm
 
Russia - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Jun 23, 2022 - 10:34pm
 
Tech & Science - miamizsun - Jun 23, 2022 - 5:38pm
 
Cryptic Posts - Leave Them Guessing - oldviolin - Jun 23, 2022 - 4:25pm
 
Upcoming concerts or shows you can't wait to see - ScottFromWyoming - Jun 23, 2022 - 3:46pm
 
Mixtape Culture Club - miamizsun - Jun 23, 2022 - 12:51pm
 
Pernicious Pious Proclivities Particularized Prodigiously - R_P - Jun 23, 2022 - 12:15pm
 
Outstanding Covers - Steely_D - Jun 23, 2022 - 8:24am
 
Summer vacation plans? - Skydog - Jun 23, 2022 - 5:46am
 
Baseball, anyone? - Skydog - Jun 23, 2022 - 5:25am
 
how do you feel right now? - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Jun 22, 2022 - 9:51pm
 
TV shows you watch - Steely_D - Jun 22, 2022 - 5:54pm
 
Crazy conspiracy theories - Steely_D - Jun 22, 2022 - 2:06pm
 
Talk Behind Their Backs Forum - VV - Jun 22, 2022 - 2:05pm
 
Mars Exploration Rover Mission Status - miamizsun - Jun 22, 2022 - 10:14am
 
Things I Read Today - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Jun 22, 2022 - 9:22am
 
2016 Elections - Skydog - Jun 22, 2022 - 8:28am
 
Sublime Soundtracks - Skydog - Jun 22, 2022 - 5:12am
 
• • •  What's For Dinner ? • • •  - ScottFromWyoming - Jun 21, 2022 - 8:14pm
 
Poetry Forum - miamizsun - Jun 21, 2022 - 6:43pm
 
Nuclear power - saviour or scourge? - miamizsun - Jun 21, 2022 - 6:34pm
 
What the world needs now is .... - Skydog - Jun 21, 2022 - 5:27pm
 
World & Eclectic Mix - GetBakedTonight - Jun 21, 2022 - 1:22am
 
Photography Forum - Your Own Photos - KurtfromLaQuinta - Jun 20, 2022 - 9:01pm
 
Happy Father's Day - Bill_J - Jun 20, 2022 - 8:23pm
 
Animal Resistance - Red_Dragon - Jun 20, 2022 - 3:58pm
 
Movie Recommendation - Manbird - Jun 20, 2022 - 2:46pm
 
Greetings from New York! - kcar - Jun 20, 2022 - 11:01am
 
Lyrics that strike a chord today... - oldviolin - Jun 20, 2022 - 9:48am
 
songs that ROCK! - oldviolin - Jun 20, 2022 - 9:43am
 
Fiverr Anyone? - ScottFromWyoming - Jun 20, 2022 - 8:21am
 
Art Show - Proclivities - Jun 20, 2022 - 7:39am
 
BillyGee's Greatest Segues - Skydog - Jun 20, 2022 - 4:05am
 
Climate Change - R_P - Jun 19, 2022 - 11:45am
 
New Recruit - KurtfromLaQuinta - Jun 18, 2022 - 4:37pm
 
What makes you smile? - KurtfromLaQuinta - Jun 18, 2022 - 4:21pm
 
Paul McCartney - KurtfromLaQuinta - Jun 18, 2022 - 4:19pm
 
Aliens: The Answer To Everything! - KurtfromLaQuinta - Jun 18, 2022 - 4:14pm
 
Yellowstone is in Wyoming Meetup • Aug. 11 2007 • YEA... - Steely_D - Jun 18, 2022 - 1:02pm
 
Last gas price paid? - PFM - Jun 18, 2022 - 8:19am
 
Gotta Get Your Drink On - Antigone - Jun 17, 2022 - 4:10pm
 
What Did You See Today? - Antigone - Jun 17, 2022 - 3:54pm
 
Coffee - ScottFromWyoming - Jun 17, 2022 - 3:42pm
 
Is there any DOG news out there? - black321 - Jun 17, 2022 - 1:07pm
 
Index » Regional/Local » USA/Canada » Those lovable acronym guys & gals Page: Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 25, 26, 27, 28  Next
Post to this Topic
sirdroseph

sirdroseph Avatar

Location: Not here, I tell you wat
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 14, 2013 - 2:47pm

 RichardPrins wrote:
The Demonization Machine Cranks Up Against Edward Snowden

It certainly has been amusing (and a bit unexpected from some individuals) to see how (viciously) some people have reacted (which in my case is based primarily on FB and some of the news I have read).

And since the ever-so-delicious topic of hypocrisy came up:

American exceptionalism, seen through the prism of American blunders | Ian Bremmer

  Perhaps you can help label me so others will feel more comfortable.{#Wink} I seem to agree with most of yours and maybe Miamizsuns positions the most. Ready for loaded question; what does that make me?{#Eek}


R_P

R_P Avatar



Posted: Jun 14, 2013 - 2:26pm

The Demonization Machine Cranks Up Against Edward Snowden

It certainly has been amusing (and a bit unexpected from some individuals) to see how (viciously) some people have reacted (which in my case is based primarily on FB and some of the news I have read).

And since the ever-so-delicious topic of hypocrisy came up:

American exceptionalism, seen through the prism of American blunders | Ian Bremmer
sirdroseph

sirdroseph Avatar

Location: Not here, I tell you wat
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 14, 2013 - 2:23pm

 islander wrote:

No, you stated that the Progressives were " more hypocritical " and "Democratic partisanship is more unforgivable".  And does it matter that the Republicans somehow did more analysis before changing their views (I'm not sure how you quantify that)? 

 
Wow, you are working overtime trying to see some praise for the Republicans in what I wrote.  Perhaps I can be more clear: the Republican party has been petty, obstructionists and downright mean not to mention on the wrong side of most social and civil rights issues for the past 50 years or more which is why even though I voted for a couple of Republican presidents over the years, I have never voted for a Republican senator or representative and have never considered myself a Republican. Quite frankly because of their untenable social issue positions, I have completely written them off for the most part for some time. I explained quite clearly why I thought they (progressives) were more hypocritical and more unforgivable imo.  However as Richard pointed out semantically and technically it is incorrect because hypocrisy is hypocrisy.  Now the unforgivable is my personal opinion and I have quite clearly explained why that is.  If you want to think that I am somehow choosing sides in this horrible display of partisan politics from the 2 loser parties, you go right ahead if it makes you feel better.  I am merely expressing why I feel the way I do, whether you think it is because I am some kind of closet Republican or not does not change my feelings on this subject instead makes me wonder why it is so important for you to find that somewhere and what you are even trying to argue.{#Stupid}


islander

islander Avatar

Location: Seattle
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 14, 2013 - 2:11pm

 sirdroseph wrote:

Holy misinterpretation Batman! I clearly state that both Republicans and Democrats are equally hypocritical in this matter, but I expect more from progressives not to be because the issues that progressives usually champion are matters of morality and compassion whereas it is pretty clear that Republicans are usually more analytical and cold hearted in regards to a lot of their positions on issues. I am clearly stating that yes, Virginia it is incredibly stupid to shift your view based on the person in power without question.  I am just more surprised, disappointed and quite frankly disgusted with the progressive partisans for changing their opinion on such a basic issue as individual freedoms vs. aggressively pursuing Muslims and the rest of us through increased surveillance.  Where you get that I think the Republicans are a "winner" in all this is beyond me.  I just think the Democrats are a bigger "loser" in this epic fail loser match because I expected more from progressives on this.

Let me be plain and clear; I expect this from the Republicans, they have not exactly been the party of compromise for the past 30 years or so. I have always thought of Democrat liberal partisans as sometimes naive and misguided, but usually well meaning and voting on principle.  I know this is probably silly, but that is how I viewed it and hate to see that myth shattered with stuff like this.

 
No, you stated that the Progressives were " more hypocritical " and "Democratic partisanship is more unforgivable".  And does it matter that the Republicans somehow did more analysis before changing their views (I'm not sure how you quantify that)? 
sirdroseph

sirdroseph Avatar

Location: Not here, I tell you wat
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 14, 2013 - 1:56pm

 RichardPrins wrote:
Arguable, for one see Jonathan Haidt's research on "values". I thought "compassion" and "morality" were also "conservative" values. As well as being staunch defendants of "liberty" and small gov. To me there is no real difference in the hypocrisy or opportunism.

As for hawkishness: it would appear (in the current climate) to be a requirement in order to get the power.

 
Good point, I  was actually thinking of all that as I was typing it and yes when it comes down to it, hypocrisy is hypocrisy.
sirdroseph

sirdroseph Avatar

Location: Not here, I tell you wat
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 14, 2013 - 1:54pm

 islander wrote:

wait, what?

Isn't it equally stupid to shift your view based on the person in power? And what exactly are the Republicans choosing their opinions on?  Both sides here look pretty silly/hypocritical to me, and I think the reason has as much to to with "well it's okay when we do it because we're better/smarter/more responsible... blah, blah, blah" self rationalizing bullshit than any moral/compassionate re-evaluation.  Picking a winner in this pig wrestling match says more about your personal alignment.   

 
Holy misinterpretation Batman! I clearly state that both Republicans and Democrats are equally hypocritical in this matter, but I expect more from progressives not to be because the issues that progressives usually champion are matters of morality and compassion whereas it is pretty clear that Republicans are usually more analytical and cold hearted in regards to a lot of their positions on issues. I am clearly stating that yes, Virginia it is incredibly stupid to shift your view based on the person in power without question.  I am just more surprised, disappointed and quite frankly disgusted with the progressive partisans for changing their opinion on such a basic issue as individual freedoms vs. aggressively pursuing Muslims and the rest of us through increased surveillance.  Where you get that I think the Republicans are a "winner" in all this is beyond me.  I just think the Democrats are a bigger "loser" in this epic fail loser match because I expected more from progressives on this.

Let me be plain and clear; I expect this from the Republicans, they have not exactly been the party of compromise for the past 30 years or so. I have always thought of Democrat liberal partisans as sometimes naive and misguided, but usually well meaning and voting on principle.  I know this is probably silly, but that is how I viewed it and hate to see that myth shattered with stuff like this.


R_P

R_P Avatar



Posted: Jun 14, 2013 - 1:53pm

 sirdroseph wrote:

Yep, that has been getting my goat whenever the privacy issue comes up.  It is a pet peeve of mind how partisans can so quickly shift their "values" dependent upon which party is in power.  Both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of this as the chart shows, but the so called progressives that turned into terrorist hawks overnight are more hypocritical because they are supposed to be choosing their opinions on issues based on compassion and morality more so than Republicans so imo the Democratic partisanship is more unforgivable. 

Arguable, for one see Jonathan Haidt's research on "values". I thought "compassion" and "morality" were also "conservative" values. As well as being staunch defendants of "liberty" and small gov. To me there is no real difference in the hypocrisy or opportunism.

As for hawkishness: it would appear (in the current climate) to be a requirement in order to get the power.
islander

islander Avatar

Location: Seattle
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 14, 2013 - 1:45pm

 sirdroseph wrote:

Yep, that has been getting my goat whenever the privacy issue comes up.  It is a pet peeve of mind how partisans can so quickly shift their "values" dependent upon which party is in power.  Both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of this as the chart shows, but the so called progressives that turned into terrorist hawks overnight are more hypocritical because they are supposed to be choosing their opinions on issues based on compassion and morality more so than Republicans so imo the Democratic partisanship is more unforgivable.

 
wait, what?

Isn't it equally stupid to shift your view based on the person in power? And what exactly are the Republicans choosing their opinions on?  Both sides here look pretty silly/hypocritical to me, and I think the reason has as much to to with "well it's okay when we do it because we're better/smarter/more responsible... blah, blah, blah" self rationalizing bullshit than any moral/compassionate re-evaluation.  Picking a winner in this pig wrestling match says more about your personal alignment.   
sirdroseph

sirdroseph Avatar

Location: Not here, I tell you wat
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 14, 2013 - 1:33pm

 RichardPrins wrote: 
Yep, that has been getting my goat whenever the privacy issue comes up.  It is a pet peeve of mind how partisans can so quickly shift their "values" dependent upon which party is in power.  Both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of this as the chart shows, but the so called progressives that turned into terrorist hawks overnight are more hypocritical because they are supposed to be choosing their opinions on issues based on compassion and morality more so than Republicans so imo the Democratic partisanship is more unforgivable.
R_P

R_P Avatar



Posted: Jun 14, 2013 - 1:05pm

Greenwald: On PRISM, partisanship and propaganda

NEW TIME POLL: Support for the Leaker—and His Prosecution | TIME.com
ErikX

ErikX Avatar



Posted: Jun 13, 2013 - 6:37pm

70% of the NSA budget goes to private contractor spy agencies


haresfur

haresfur Avatar

Location: The Golden Triangle
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 13, 2013 - 5:59pm

My cell phone is made by Huawei so the Chinese probably know at least as much about me as the Americans.  It's only fair...{#Think}
R_P

R_P Avatar



Posted: Jun 13, 2013 - 4:25pm

Anonymous trolls NSA with ‘keywords of terror,’ disables website


Why 'I Have Nothing to Hide' Is the Wrong Way to Think About Surveillance | Wired Opinion | Wired.com
R_P

R_P Avatar



Posted: Jun 13, 2013 - 12:26pm


kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 13, 2013 - 9:10am

 sirdroseph wrote:


On the Daily Show, John Oliver made a great comment about this. Paraphrasing; "Mr. President, we are not accusing you of breaking any laws, we just think it is strange that you didn't have to!"   {#Eek} This sums it up nicely. 
 

Now on a broader note, I would not be concerned so much that the NSA is listening to anything we are saying. They probably are not. They are just compiling mountains and mountains of ALL data having it ready when they need it.  If they then have reason to suspect someone, they can then go into the mountain and compile ALL data on that individual they need.  Where the real danger lies is the potential for the many nefarious things the Government could do to you if they were so inclined.

 

That is the heart of the matter.  And who will be in charge of what 5, 10 or 20 years from now.

This discussion is more about our future than our present, although the present ain't looking to good either.
DaveInVA

DaveInVA Avatar

Location: In a hovel in effluent Damnville, VA
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 13, 2013 - 8:38am

 black321 wrote:

Done!  Thanks for sharing.  {#Lol}

 
I feel sorry for whoever they assign to watch me as they will be bored to tears pretty fast...
black321

black321 Avatar

Location: An earth without maps
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 13, 2013 - 8:34am

 DaveInVA wrote:
They wont get me that way either as I have never owned a cell phone. I also don't leave microphones or webcams hooked up to my computers and I also don't own a laptop. So they will have to use old school tech on me and tap my phone or put a gps locator on my car.

 
Done!  Thanks for sharing.  {#Lol}
bokey

bokey Avatar

Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 13, 2013 - 8:32am

 DaveInVA wrote:
They wont get me that way either as I have never owned a cell phone. I also don't leave microphones or webcams hooked up to my computers and I also don't own a laptop. So they will have to use old school tech on me and tap my phone or put a gps locator on my car.

 
I just use mine to order a pizza on the road or in case I need to contact EMS for Pops during a power outage. Assuming the cell towers are backed up the the -48 volt or whatever system. I don't know about that though.


DaveInVA

DaveInVA Avatar

Location: In a hovel in effluent Damnville, VA
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 13, 2013 - 8:30am

They wont get me that way either as I have never owned a cell phone. I also don't leave microphones or webcams hooked up to my computers and I also don't own a laptop. So they will have to use old school tech on me and tap my phone or put a gps locator on my car.
sirdroseph

sirdroseph Avatar

Location: Not here, I tell you wat
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 13, 2013 - 8:27am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
Story on NPR the other day about what the recent whistle blower incident does to the confidence of the "national security leadership" in it's employees. Perhaps it should have been about why people feel a whistle needs blowing. Perhaps because the gubment is overstepping its authority? Maybe? Huh?

 

On the Daily Show, John Oliver made a great comment about this. Paraphrasing; "Mr. President, we are not accusing you of breaking any laws, we just think it is strange that you didn't have to!"   {#Eek} This sums it up nicely. 
 

Now on a broader note, I would not be concerned so much that the NSA is listening to anything we are saying. They probably are not. They are just compiling mountains and mountains of ALL data having it ready when they need it.  If they then have reason to suspect someone, they can then go into the mountain and compile ALL data on that individual they need.  Where the real danger lies is the potential for the many nefarious things the Government could do to you if they were so inclined.
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 25, 26, 27, 28  Next