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Posted: Feb 8, 2015 - 2:50pm

 Beaker wrote:

Also - sorta related: BUG: in the Music Search tab, the search mech seems recently borken.  Searching for a partial artist name no longer works.  George Ezra yields results, but searching for Ezra comes up with bupkiss.  Same with Tegan & Sara.  Tegan or Sara yields nothing; and worse "Tegan and Sara" also yields zip.  A working partial name search would seem to be a good thing to have.   ;-

 
OK. This is fixed. If it gets a match on the exact search term, it returns that. If not, it does a partial-name search.  It also accepts "and" and "&" interchangeably.
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Posted: Feb 8, 2015 - 2:48pm

 RichardPrins wrote:

FLAC is lossless, so by definition there shouldn't be any audible difference across compression quality settings. The only difference would exist in the final size of the FLAC file, as well as the CPU power used/needed to encode/decode the FLAC when it's created/played. There are some non-standard encoders as well, but I suspect GNU FLAC (which I don't know) and encoders based on libFLAC are the most faithful to the standard. The other implementations should be avoided for compatibility purposes.

I tend to use level 8, however in a few tests I did I found no difference in file size compared to level 6.

 kurtster wrote:
This new system seems to eliminate the ability to add anything that would fall into the category of limited release, vinyl only or out of print material that one may have in their personal stash.

It's pretty easy to get/put a song on YouTube.

 
Thanks, Richard.

& good point on that last item.
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Posted: Feb 8, 2015 - 12:39pm

 BillG wrote:
I've never done any tests on FLAC quality levels. I just use the default settings in the GNU FLAC encoder, which I *think* equates to quality level 6. I doubt that there's any truly audible difference, but I'd avoid the —fast (level 0) preset.
 
FLAC is lossless, so by definition there shouldn't be any audible difference across compression quality settings. The only difference would exist in the final size of the FLAC file, as well as the CPU power used/needed to encode/decode the FLAC when it's created/played. There are some non-standard encoders as well, but I suspect GNU FLAC (which I don't know) and encoders based on libFLAC are the most faithful to the standard. The other implementations should be avoided for compatibility purposes.

I tend to use level 8, however in a few tests I did I found no difference in file size compared to level 6.

 kurtster wrote:
This new system seems to eliminate the ability to add anything that would fall into the category of limited release, vinyl only or out of print material that one may have in their personal stash.

It's pretty easy to get/put a song on YouTube.
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Posted: Feb 8, 2015 - 11:51am

 BillG wrote:

I've never done any tests on FLAC quality levels. I just use the default settings in the GNU FLAC encoder, which I *think* equates to quality level 6. I doubt that there's any truly audible difference, but I'd avoid the —fast (level 0) preset.

You're right that the new system does eliminate the ability to upload some obscure older material that's not on any of the 3 platforms. You can email us directly in that case.

 
Cool, thanks.  

 
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Posted: Feb 8, 2015 - 8:49am

 kurtster wrote:
Interesting.

This new system seems to eliminate the ability to add anything that would fall into the category of limited release, vinyl only or out of print material that one may have in their personal stash.

Two examples come to mind immediately, both Peter Gabriel, In Your Eyes Live in Athens and Quiet Steam.  Granted this is such a small category of music in the big picture.

Lastly, should an obscure track make the cut and a flac is requested, there are 8 levels of flac quality.  Would there be a minimum acceptable level ? 

 
I've never done any tests on FLAC quality levels. I just use the default settings in the GNU FLAC encoder, which I *think* equates to quality level 6. I doubt that there's any truly audible difference, but I'd avoid the —fast (level 0) preset.

You're right that the new system does eliminate the ability to upload some obscure older material that's not on any of the 3 platforms. You can email us directly in that case.
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Posted: Feb 8, 2015 - 8:34am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 

 
It's hard to imagine many songs that aren't out there somewhere.

I thought maybe the Nick Lowe Campfire Sessions but there it is:
 
Of course uploading something obscure, we'd better have it in our collection. I hear stuff sometimes that I think RP could use but then it turns out to be some ancient promotional vinyl or an in-studio session etc.

 
Yeah, pretty much everything is on youtube by now.  Just have to look hard enough.
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Posted: Feb 8, 2015 - 7:10am

 kurtster wrote:
Interesting.

This new system seems to eliminate the ability to add anything that would fall into the category of limited release, vinyl only or out of print material that one may have in their personal stash.

Two examples come to mind immediately, both Peter Gabriel, In Your Eyes Live in Athens and Quiet Steam.  Granted this is such a small category of music in the big picture.

Lastly, should an obscure track make the cut and a flac is requested, there are 8 levels of flac quality.  Would there be a minimum acceptable level ? 

 
I think that version of "In Your Eyes" is on the playlist, but some more obscure stuff could be pretty challenging to find in an 'up-loadable' format, though that's not new.
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Posted: Feb 8, 2015 - 7:00am

 kurtster wrote:
Interesting.

This new system seems to eliminate the ability to add anything that would fall into the category of limited release, vinyl only or out of print material that one may have in their personal stash.

Two examples come to mind immediately, both Peter Gabriel, In Your Eyes Live in Athens and Quiet Steam.  Granted this is such a small category of music in the big picture.

Lastly, should an obscure track make the cut and a flac is requested, there are 8 levels of flac quality.  Would there be a minimum acceptable level ? 

 

 

 
It's hard to imagine many songs that aren't out there somewhere.

I thought maybe the Nick Lowe Campfire Sessions but there it is:


 
Of course uploading something obscure, we'd better have it in our collection. I hear stuff sometimes that I think RP could use but then it turns out to be some ancient promotional vinyl or an in-studio session etc.
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Posted: Feb 8, 2015 - 3:20am

Interesting.

This new system seems to eliminate the ability to add anything that would fall into the category of limited release, vinyl only or out of print material that one may have in their personal stash.

Two examples come to mind immediately, both Peter Gabriel, In Your Eyes Live in Athens and Quiet Steam.  Granted this is such a small category of music in the big picture.

Lastly, should an obscure track make the cut and a flac is requested, there are 8 levels of flac quality.  Would there be a minimum acceptable level ? 
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Posted: Feb 7, 2015 - 9:42pm

I'm not sure it's desirable or not but what do you think about saying who uploaded a particular track?

Again, not sure it's important but will these uploads be added to the user's profile at some point?
 
If I want to point someone to a particular song I uploaded is there a way to do that other than just grabbing the URL of the popup window?
 
And finally, I commented on my upload, then someone else did too, and it kind of blew up.
 

 
edit: This posting behavior happens on other tracks too.

1 comment: correct
2nd comment added: it falls to the right of the first
3rd comment added: 1st now stacks up correctly,  2nd/3rd are messed up. Total comments count still shows 2 comments. Close/reopen comments pane, 3rd comment displays correctly, 1st/2nd go back to being messed up.
4th comment added: similar behavior, still shows as only 2 comments.

Accidentally deleted my original comment, oops, deleted test comments too, other person's (now single) comment still formats incorrectly. Total shows as 1 comment.
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Posted: Feb 6, 2015 - 12:48pm

 BillG wrote:

Thanks.  Set it to 50% for now. 

 
Thanks. It's still hotter than the main on the few songs I listened to, but at least I can use my normal controls to turn it down. Before, using the apple keyboard, with the rp slider set at about 90% (I want the music to be louder than the system beeps etc), I can keep my system volume at around 50%. But I had to turn down the Submissions music to about 10%, if that makes any sense. Now it's around 30% so I still have wiggle room if a particular song is too loud.
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Posted: Feb 6, 2015 - 12:40pm

 RichardPrins wrote:

There's a fairly easy way to at least put it to 50% (or less) of the volume to avoid damage to people's hearing. {#Wink}

Note the answer to the query, the parameter takes values between 0.0 and 1.0, not 0-100 as the API says.

I tried it with 10% (0.1) like in the example and it was still sufficiently loud, but you be the judge...

Controlling Soundcloud HTML5 Widget Player Volume - Stack Overflow

 
Thanks.  Set it to 50% for now. 
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Posted: Feb 6, 2015 - 12:08pm

 BillG wrote:
No can do. I'm just calling their embedded player.
 
There's a fairly easy way to at least put it to 50% (or less) of the volume to avoid damage to people's hearing. {#Wink}

Note the answer to the query, the parameter takes values between 0.0 and 1.0, not 0-100 as the API says.

I tried it with 10% (0.1) like in the example and it was still sufficiently loud, but you be the judge...

Controlling Soundcloud HTML5 Widget Player Volume - Stack Overflow
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Posted: Feb 6, 2015 - 12:02pm

 BillG wrote:

No can do. I'm just calling their embedded player.

 
I figured... it just seems really hot compared to the main stream. 
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Posted: Feb 6, 2015 - 11:20am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
The soundcloud player window doesn't seem to have a volume control. Is that something you can add? I guess if it won't carry over to the next song, then it's not worth it, but ...

 
No can do. I'm just calling their embedded player.
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Posted: Feb 6, 2015 - 11:19am

 sici wrote:
3. A maximum of 10 songs may be submitted for review by any listener, artist, or label. Of those, no more than 3 can be by the same artist.

10 songs total? Or 10 songs/month? or ...

If it's 10 songs forever, I better be very judicious with my submissions if I want to hear on RP.

 
It's 10 songs total in the reviewing queue (status of 'new' or 'maybe') at any time. Once some of your songs have been accepted or declined you can submit more.
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Posted: Feb 6, 2015 - 11:18am

 Beaker wrote:

Ah!  Interesting.

So, I put the new system through a few preliminary paces without actually completing a submission (yet).

A couple of observations:

There's no mechanism preventing just the artist name being filled in, and leaving the song title field blank - on the initial "let's check to see" page.  By design?  Yes, the next screen forces the user to enter the song name, but if a proper preliminary search/screen is to be done, shouldn't both fields on the "let's check to see" page be mandatory?

There's no longer a button to upload our precious mp3/flac, what have you.  By design?  Are those submitting tunes no longer needing to upload a suitable mp3?  Are you now going to track down a suitable file at your end, and/or are uploads moving exclusively to .flac or other loss-less submissions?

Also - sorta related: BUG: in the Music Search tab, the search mech seems recently borken.  Searching for a partial artist name no longer works.  George Ezra yields results, but searching for Ezra comes up with bupkiss.  Same with Tegan & Sara.  Tegan or Sara yields nothing; and worse "Tegan and Sara" also yields zip.  A working partial name search would seem to be a good thing to have.   ;-)



 
Thanks. Yes, both fields on that initial form should be mandatory. I'll fix that.

In the submission form I ask if you have a FLAC or ALAC (Apple lossless) file available. If I can't track one down myself, I'll ask you to submit it. We're moving entirely away from MP3s.

I'll be tweaking the search page, including once again allowing partial name searches.

thanks
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Posted: Feb 6, 2015 - 10:27am

3. A maximum of 10 songs may be submitted for review by any listener, artist, or label. Of those, no more than 3 can be by the same artist.

10 songs total? Or 10 songs/month? or ...

If it's 10 songs forever, I better be very judicious with my submissions if I want to hear on RP.
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Posted: Feb 6, 2015 - 10:22am

The soundcloud player window doesn't seem to have a volume control. Is that something you can add? I guess if it won't carry over to the next song, then it's not worth it, but ...
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Posted: Feb 5, 2015 - 12:51pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Okeydoke.

When searching to see if something's been previously uploaded, searching for a partial band name results in "that's in the library." You have to type the artist and song title before it lets you proceed but since there are those false negatives, it's hard to know if it's really there or if you just typed it differently from what's in the library.

On the song info, you say "check if you can provide a FLAC or Apple Lossless file" ... I assume a rip from CD via itunes is okay for that? 

 
Yes. iTunes rips are fine if you use ALAC (Apple lossless) format.

I'll see if I can fine-tune the search a bit.
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