That scenario wouldn't surprise me but I'm not so sure I'd call that Fox News assertion "reality" just yet -at least not until there is an official statement from the Park Police. "...on Tuesday morning, Park Police sources told WTOP that this was not the case, arguing that the protesters were not all peaceful, that tear gas was not used, and that officers did not know of Trumpâs visit to the house of worship...The Park Police did not immediately respond to request for comment from Fox News." There is a later Tweet from Augenstein (well, quite a few later Tweets): :"Obviously, this is Park Police's side of the story. I'll be checking with @wtop reporters who were on the scene last night, to plug-in what they observed with what Park Police are telling me. Park Police will be releasing a statement later today."
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Jun 2, 2020 - 10:39am
Hmmmm. I am pretty sure I saw a post here from KK citing a news article saying that Lafayette Park was cleared not because President Trump would momentarily be making his way on foot from the White House to St. Johnâs Episcopal Church but because the protesters in the park had attacked law enforcement officers. I guess he deleted it.
There is no way President Trump would have made that walk if the area had not been secured to reasonably assure his safety.
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Jun 2, 2020 - 9:10am
sirdroseph wrote:
I am sure there is probably a little of that left in there for some......maybe, but sadly this motivation has drifted further and further down the list of media priorities.
I disagree with your opinion as to the motivations of journalists.
You could very easily surmise that the only true "winners" in all of this mess are the media. As soon as the cameras turn off, the drama face quickly turns to orgasmic joy as the industry bask in coveted eyeballs and career bumps for the tv personalities. They don't even need Trump anymore, he is just icing on the cake.
The protests/riots across the nation are newsworthy events. So is Covid-19. So was 9-11. So was the Vietnam War, the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan. And on and on.
Journalism careers have been launched or elevated by coverage during times of crisis. War correspondents, in particular, have drawn plaudits. Of course, some of them also have died covering those wars. Journalists put themselves in harm’s way when covering many events/stories, including these recent riots. They do so because that is part of the job. They do so to keep people informed.
I am sure there is probably a little of that left in there for some......maybe, but sadly this motivation has drifted further and further down the list of media priorities.
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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Jun 2, 2020 - 8:48am
sirdroseph wrote:
You could very easily surmise that the only true "winners" in all of this mess are the media. As soon as the cameras turn off, the drama face quickly turns to orgasmic joy as the industry bask in coveted eyeballs and career bumps for the tv personalities. They don't even need Trump anymore, he is just icing on the cake.
The protests/riots across the nation are newsworthy events. So is Covid-19. So was 9-11. So was the Vietnam War, the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan. And on and on.
Journalism careers have been launched or elevated by coverage during times of crisis. War correspondents, in particular, have drawn plaudits. Of course, some of them also have died covering those wars. Journalists put themselves in harmâs way when covering many events/stories, including these recent riots. They do so because that is part of the job. They do so to keep people informed.
You could very easily surmise that the only true "winners" in all of this mess are the media. As soon as the cameras turn off, the drama face quickly turns to orgasmic joy as the industry bask in coveted eyeballs and career bumps for the tv personalities. They don't even need Trump anymore, he is just icing on the cake.
Our own KarmaKarma, played like a fiddle. KK even posted that very tweet bolded in the article below.
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i don't know a lot about that guy off the field but kaepernick probably had good intentions with less than "thoughtful" execution
in the charity fundraising world working with a stadium in the concession is gold
the reason (here anyway) that a beer cost ten dollars at the stadium is because about half of that goes to the charity staffing it
there's an ecosystem around big sporting events, from the peeps selling beer, soda, water and peanuts walking up and down the stadium stairs, the people selling other trinkets, shirts, etc. to the folks in the parking lot selling stuff (probably parking too)
it doesn't stop there, local sports bars offer food and transport to and from the games and watch parties
i'm sure i'm glossing over some other vendors but i think you can get the idea
his actions probably have an unintended effect on a lot of people depending on that income
lots of emotions around the act too (some people like veterans probably see kneeling during the anthem as a sign of disrespect)
if i was trying to influence someone to consider my point of view i'd do a couple of things:
first don't insult/demean/disrespect them
second make my best case by being inclusive (police violence affects everyone)
third partner with human rights groups, celebrities, etc and call a news/press conference
fourth isolate/focus the concern (get to the point) and offer to engage those highly influential and directly involved (police chiefs, mayors, politicians, etc.)
fifth offer solutions and further dialog
off the top of my head but i'm sure we could come up with more suggestions
regards
I generally agree that you want to sway people to your side. But this issue had been and continues to be a festering would. There have been many peaceful calm aplogetic attempts to engage in a dialogue and the problem persisted. He felt he had an opportunity to use his platform for a louder message.
Initially he sat for the anthem. After a conversation with a fellow player who was a veteran Marine he switched to the kneel to show respect. I won't try to speak for everyone who didn't receive the message, but I will say there are many who would never receive this message no matter how it was delivered.
Here are police now kneeling with protesters:
respect and solidarity. Why is it that is respectful, but not from Kaepernick? Could he have done things better? - sure. Would it have mattered? - I doubt it. We are here today because we (collectively) were not willing to listen to the message he was sending and chose to quibble over the delivery.
So will we hear the message this time? Or will we continue to complain that it is not presented in the manner we are willing to hear it? How loud do you think it will get before we hear?
A Twitter account that tweeted a call to violence and claimed to be representing the position of "Antifa" was in fact created by a known white supremacist group, Twitter said Monday. The company removed the account.
"This account violated our platform manipulation and spam policy, specifically the creation of fake accounts," a Twitter spokesperson said in a statement. "We took action after the account sent a Tweet inciting violence and broke the Twitter Rules."Although the account only had a few hundred followers, it is an example of white supremacists seeking to inflame tensions in the United States by posing as left-wing activists online.
The revelation of the account comes as President Donald Trump increasingly blames left-wing activists for violence occurring at protests across America.
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Antifa positions can be hard to define, but many people espousing those beliefs support oppressed populations and protest the amassing of wealth by corporations and elites. Some employ radical or militant tactics to get out their messages.
The fake account, @ANTIFA_US, tweeted Sunday, "ALERT Tonight's the night, Comrades Tonight we say "F**k The City" and we move into the residential areas... the white hoods.... and we take what's ours #BlacklivesMaters #F**kAmerica."
Twitter said that the account was in fact linked to Identity Evropa, a white power fraternity.Though Twitter referred to the group as Identity Evropa when discussing the account's removal, the Anti Defamation League (ADL) states that the group dissolved and reformed under the name the American Identitarian Movement, which it also calls a white supremacist group.
The group promotes itself as "identitarian," that white people should preserve their racial and cultural identity. The American Identitarian Movement says it prohibits violence and illegal activity.
CNN has reached out to the group for comment.
Twitter said it had shut down other fake accounts linked to Identity Evropa, too.
The phenomenon of people on the right creating fake Antifa accounts predates the current wave of protests. The takedown Monday is not the first time a fake Antifa account linked to white supremacists has been suspended by Twitter, the spokesperson confirmed.
Reporters and news photographers say they are being roughed up by the police, shot with projectiles and arrested while covering demonstrations against racism and police brutality across the country. The U.S. Press Freedom Tracker and a writer for the Bellingcat website have eachtracked about 100 instances of reporters being harassed or injured at the protests.
In interviews, reporters said they had identified themselves as members of the press before police drew their weapons or pepper-sprayed them.
Tyler Blint-Welsh, a reporter for The Wall Street Journal, said he was hit multiple times by police officers while covering a protest in New York on Sunday. âI was backing away as request, with my hands up,â Mr. Blint-Welsh, who is black, wrote on Twitter. âMy NYPD-issued press badge was clearly visible.â
Andrea May Sahouri, a reporter for The Des Moines Register, was pepper-sprayed and handcuffed with zip-ties after identifying herself as a journalist while covering a protest at a Des Moines mall on Sunday evening. She streamed video live from the back of a police vehicle, and was later released.
The arrest of journalists covering demonstrations and riots is common in autocratic countries, but has been rare in the United States, where freedom of the press is protected by the First Amendment.
Many reporters, photographers and press advocates said the treatment of journalists by police officers in the last week reflected an erosion of trust in the news media that has seeped into law enforcement under President Trump, who has deemed critical coverage of his administration âfake newsâ and has frequently labeled some news organizations and journalists with variants of the phrase âenemies of the people.â
On Sunday, Mr. Trump blamed the news media for the protests in a tweet, calling journalists âtruly bad people with a sick agenda.â
isn't this the opposite of what they should be doing?
if people are inciting or provoking violence towards innocent and peaceful people they may be doing it wrong
it seems this will lead to problems that will probably hurt their cause
peace
Yes, they are doing it wrong. The inciters of violence, I mean. I believe there is a small subset of 'protesters' who really just want to tear the whole thing down, consequences be damned. I believe most protests start out peacefully - then the agitators get involved, and it all goes to $hit.
HOWEVER, there was a guy who really tried to do it right. He used his considerable public presence to bring attention to black and brown deaths at the hands of 'peace' officers. He made a silent, peaceful gesture, on live TV. At first he just sat during the Anthem, but a fellow NFL player, Nate Boyer, encouraged him to take a knee instead - a sign of respect while still a sign of protest. Silent, peaceful, respectful protest. Remember him? He lost his job and was blackballed by his industry, for making a silent, peaceful political protest.
Point is, what is it going to take? Is it going to take an 'Edmund Pettus Bridge' event? Or another Kent State? Worse? Peaceful hasn't worked, clearly violence hasn't either, what's next?
By the way, 'protesters' who show up at state capitols, heavily armed, with racist symbols held high, have been treated quite differently from unarmed protesters waving homemade signs.
peace - we need some c.
random thoughts
i don't know a lot about that guy off the field but kaepernick probably had good intentions with less than "thoughtful" execution
in the charity fundraising world working with a stadium in the concession is gold
the reason (here anyway) that a beer cost ten dollars at the stadium is because about half of that goes to the charity staffing it
there's an ecosystem around big sporting events, from the peeps selling beer, soda, water and peanuts walking up and down the stadium stairs, the people selling other trinkets, shirts, etc. to the folks in the parking lot selling stuff (probably parking too)
it doesn't stop there, local sports bars offer food and transport to and from the games and watch parties
i'm sure i'm glossing over some other vendors but i think you can get the idea
his actions probably have an unintended effect on a lot of people depending on that income
lots of emotions around the act too (some people like veterans probably see kneeling during the anthem as a sign of disrespect)
if i was trying to influence someone to consider my point of view i'd do a couple of things:
first don't insult/demean/disrespect them
second make my best case by being inclusive (police violence affects everyone)
third partner with human rights groups, celebrities, etc and call a news/press conference
fourth isolate/focus the concern (get to the point) and offer to engage those highly influential and directly involved (police chiefs, mayors, politicians, etc.)
fifth offer solutions and further dialog
off the top of my head but i'm sure we could come up with more suggestions
Anything & everything put out by Trump, Pence, Kayleigh McEnany, Kellyanne Conway, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner - all of them and their sycophant goons - it's all lies, misdirection, diversion, pathetic, unAmerican, disloyal, unfeeling, selfish bullshit.
That's the real fake news. And I think many, if not most of their supporters know that & don't care one bit.
And that's all I have to say about that.
This is absolutely the last post I'll aim in your direction. You are pathetic & a perfect example of what is wrong with this country. In my humble opinion.
Carry on, KK(k)
Promises, promises. You also said that LAST time. And the time before that. And the time ... lol
Anything & everything put out by Trump, Pence, Kayleigh McEnany, Kellyanne Conway, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner - all of them and their sycophant goons - it's all lies, misdirection, diversion, pathetic, unAmerican, disloyal, unfeeling, selfish bullshit.
That's the real fake news. And I think many, if not most of their supporters know that & don't care one bit.
Anything & everything put out by Trump, Pence, Kayleigh McEnany, Kellyanne Conway, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner - all of them and their sycophant goons - it's all lies, misdirection, diversion, pathetic, unAmerican, disloyal, unfeeling, selfish bullshit.
That's the real fake news. And I think many, if not most of their supporters know that & don't care one bit.
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