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Posted: Oct 21, 2021 - 2:36pm

Experts Abused for Talking to the Public
Nature survey finds that most media experts talking about COVID are facing threats and attacks.
One of the manifestations of the new political and social world we are living in is the so-called “death of expertise“. This refers not to the loss of actual expertise, but rather the loss of a baseline of public respect for the concept of expertise and for experts themselves. A recent Nature survey highlights a disturbing marker of this trend – experts (in this case mostly doctors) facing threats of physical harm for expressing their opinions about COVID-19 in public. This is completely predictable, for anyone paying attention, but it’s worth reviewing how we got here.

It’s easy, even fashionable, to blame all such trends on social media. While social media certainly greatly facilitated our “post truth” world, the trends all started long before the internet. In the US in particular, there has long been a cultural undercurrent of anti-intellectualism, rooted in a distrust of authority and an attraction towards conspiracy theories. But this occurred alongside a general respect for excellence and ability. Scientists, especially medical scientists, rank among the most respected professions, at levels in the 80s, and stable over decades of surveys.

These apparently contradictory attitudes can exist at the same time because people generally can compartmentalize their beliefs, but something else is going on as well. In the abstract many people still respect experts and scientists, but now they can choose which experts and scientists to believe. This is the new reality – it’s not the absence of facts, but the existence of “alternative facts”. The problem is not as much ignorance as the false illusion of knowledge.

This is where social media comes in. Ready access to information on demand creates a powerful illusion of knowledge, and even the sense that we all can “do our own research” and come to a reliable conclusion, even about complex technical topics we do not really understand. You don’t have to look beyond the comments section of SBM to witness non-experts arguing over technical details in the scientific literature in areas where they lack any formal background. Even for those not trying to substitute their own opinions for those of experts, they can easily fall prey to believing the “wrong experts”. Who are the “wrong experts” and how does that happen?

People generally grossly underestimate a few things: First they underestimate how much information is out there, and specifically that you can find facts and opinions to support pretty much any belief you want. They further underestimate (or are simply unaware of) the power of confirmation bias. It is a well-established psychological phenomenon that we tend to seek out, notice, accept and remember information that supports what we believe or want to believe, while simultaneously ignoring, forgetting, or explaining away information that contradicts our beliefs. When you combine these two factors, it can create the powerful illusion that the facts support our beliefs, whether they do or not. (...)

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Posted: Oct 21, 2021 - 1:33pm

 rgio wrote:

To your point, the slogan they should be using is "your body, my choice".  

The "my body, my choice" is the pro-abortion line, and we know how they hate that.

It's shocking to see the Right twist themselves in knots about personal choice, the ability for employers to run their business as they see fit, and the lack of liability on the part of corporations.  You can't make this shit up.

Yup, our new bizzaro world where right is wrong and wrong is right. Lies are truth and truth are lies.
 
Makes me want to move to the Alaskan wilderness and live off of the grid.

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Posted: Oct 21, 2021 - 12:31pm

 VV wrote:

.... I know... "my body my choice" except it doesn't nicely apply here... your choice affects others beyond yourself. Your choice helps to propagate the spread of the virus. Your choice gives greater opportunity for the virus to mutate. Your choice is the reason that COVID restrictions still exist at local and state levels yet you don't recognize or accept the leading role you play in those restrictions being put in place.  


To your point, the slogan they should be using is "your body, my choice".  

The "my body, my choice" is the pro-abortion line, and we know how they hate that.

It's shocking to see the Right twist themselves in knots about personal choice, the ability for employers to run their business as they see fit, and the lack of liability on the part of corporations.  You can't make this shit up.
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Posted: Oct 21, 2021 - 11:22am

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The vaccine makers cannot be held liable by law for anything that goes wrong for decades now.  That would probably transfer to employers as well.  Can't say for sure.

I brought this issue up months ago.  Met with a big 
{#Yawn}


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Posted: Oct 21, 2021 - 9:01am

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Quite frankly the only thing that I am concerned with is someone being legally accountable for side effects possibly deadly incurred by a forced medical procedure mandated by either government or by proxy an employer.  Someone has to be liable.
{#Fire}

Seriously? You'd be cool with it as long as you could sue somebody?

Here's a capsule summary of what you think you understand. The program (it's not just a blanket immunity, it created a fund to compensate legitimate claims) was set up because vaccines are a very low-margin product and the liability from the American legal system was threatening to both hamstring providers and raise the cost to the point that vaccination rates would plummet. Not because vaccines are dangerous, but because the US legal system is.

In an ideal world we'd rely on civil law to sort out claims against vaccine providers and most cases would be decided swiftly and fairly based on actual science. Unfortunately that ideal world would not include American tort law.
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Posted: Oct 21, 2021 - 7:26am

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I actually have no problem with the makers not being accountable legally nor business as long as the individuals have choice, but when it becomes mandatory that changes everything.  For a government or a company to force employees to have a medical procedure or be terminated and to not be held legally accountable for adverse reactions to this forced procedure is absolutely abhorrent at every level.
{#Eek}

You guys really love chasing your own tails and jumping down rabbit-holes.

You do understand there is a pandemic that has been going on now for close to two years that has so far resulted in 721,187 U.S. deaths and counting? Maybe not. 

Guess what? There is a vaccine available for some time now that can greatly mitigate those deaths. The fact that a vaccine is available and people aren't taking it is abhorrent at every level. I know... "my body my choice" except it doesn't nicely apply here... your choice affects others beyond yourself. Your choice helps to propagate the spread of the virus. Your choice gives greater opportunity for the virus to mutate. Your choice is the reason that COVID restrictions still exist at local and state levels yet you don't recognize or accept the primary role you play in those restrictions being put in place.  

Sometimes if people aren't smart enough to know what is good for them and good for the country and the world-at-large... then mandates become the only option. 

Quite frankly, I personally wonder why it has taken so long to roll them out.

COVID will be brought under some reasonable level of control in the future but it won’t be because of people like you… it will be in spite of people like you.


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Posted: Oct 21, 2021 - 6:37am

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The vaccine makers cannot be held liable by law for anything that goes wrong for decades now.  That would probably transfer to employers as well.  Can't say for sure.

I brought this issue up months ago.  Met with a big {#Yawn}
 
I actually have no problem with the makers not being accountable legally nor business as long as the individuals have choice, but when it becomes mandatory that changes everything.  For a government or a company to force employees to have a medical procedure or be terminated and to not be held legally accountable for adverse reactions to this forced procedure is absolutely abhorrent at every level.{#Eek}
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Posted: Oct 21, 2021 - 5:54am

 sirdroseph wrote:

Quite frankly the only thing that I am concerned with is someone being legally accountable for side effects possibly deadly incurred by a forced medical procedure mandated by either government or by proxy an employer.  Someone has to be liable.{#Fire} 
 

The vaccine makers cannot be held liable by law for anything that goes wrong for decades now.  That would probably transfer to employers as well.  Can't say for sure.

I brought this issue up months ago.  Met with a big {#Yawn}
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Posted: Oct 21, 2021 - 3:49am

 haresfur wrote:
 sirdroseph wrote:
{#Whistle}

COVID-19 Vaccine Reporting Systems


I wouldn't have guessed you were if favour of multiple bureaucracies doing the same thing. 
 
Quite frankly the only thing that I am concerned with is someone being legally accountable for side effects possibly deadly incurred by a forced medical procedure mandated by either government or by proxy an employer.  Someone has to be liable.{#Fire} 
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Posted: Oct 21, 2021 - 3:27am

Finally!  Looks like we might get a safe and effective vaccine we have all been waiting for.  This is huge.  We were all concerned this was not going to happen, but looks like they will be applying for emergency authorization in the US at the end of the year:
 
 
 
We expect to complete multiple ongoing rolling regulatory submissions within the next couple of weeks in key markets, including the United Kingdom, Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. We, along with SII, have already filed for authorization in India, Indonesia and The Philippines, as well as for Emergency Use Listing (EUL) with the World Health Organization (WHO). The WHO EUL will allow Novavax and SII to deliver on our combined commitment to the COVAX Facility for a cumulative 1.1 billion doses of our vaccine, around which we maintain ongoing conversations with CEPI, Gavi and UNICEF. Additionally, we expect to file for Emergency Use Authorization in the U.S. before the end of 2021.{#Dancingbanana}
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Posted: Oct 20, 2021 - 2:28pm

 sirdroseph wrote:
{#Whistle}

COVID-19 Vaccine Reporting Systems


I wouldn't have guessed you were if favour of multiple bureaucracies doing the same thing. 
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Posted: Oct 20, 2021 - 3:31am

{#Whistle}
 
 
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Posted: Oct 19, 2021 - 5:50pm

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You know that wasn't pointed at you, right?


He seems to have an issue with responding to his indented target...
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Posted: Oct 19, 2021 - 5:05pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:








Now get out of my head. 
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Posted: Oct 19, 2021 - 5:02pm

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Why are you not angry?  



You know I'm the most sarcastic early in the morning, right?
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Posted: Oct 19, 2021 - 5:02pm

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No anger here, just sadness that the world is allowing some to condone the demise of others over their differences in opinion and beliefs.  Freedom never tollerates such actions.
So if you rather, look to the history of Stalin, Khmer Rouge, Chinese Revolutionaries, Rwandans or countless others that have attempted to erase the rights of a segment of the population in the name of the "Good of the State".  Back to work and the music, and have a great day and may your opinion and beliefs never be cancelled.


You know that wasn't pointed at you, right?
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Posted: Oct 19, 2021 - 4:49pm

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Justine ran for office against a guy who's a friend, actually, but he stood up at the microphone and said Covid would be over November 4. Matter of fact.


Once I noticed it, it became a red flag whenever anyone (the former guy and any of his lackeys) made predictions or promises. We saw it: they didn't come true, but it led people to vote for them. But, like weathermen/women no one took them to task or their wrongness. 
Le sigh.
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Posted: Oct 19, 2021 - 2:35pm

Who needs "foreign enemies" when this guy has the highest-rated show on cable.
Carlson did not get that memo. Despite all of it and the fact that his show aired a half-day after the corrective measures began, Carlson pressed forward Monday night by using Powell’s death to question the official case for the vaccines. And he did so while not once mentioning the crucial fact of Powell’s comorbidity.

Carlson pressed forward by propping up the straw man that people were told the vaccines were a fail-safe — President Biden has sometimes exaggerated the protection the vaccines provide, but experts and studies have never said they’re 100 percent effective — and then promptly knocking it down.

But that straw man wasn’t Carlson’s worst journalistic sin Monday night; his failure to mention Powell’s cancer was. It was a textbook case of misleading with incomplete information. And given how well-publicized the debate was over Powell’s comorbidity throughout the day Monday — including among Carlson’s own colleagues — it’s difficult to believe the omission was not deliberate.

Carlson, of course, did have company in this.

Former CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson, who has often espoused vaccine skepticism, chimed in during the debate over how Powell’s death was being characterized. But her beef wasn’t with how Powell’s cancer wasn’t initially mentioned; it was with the idea that not enough media outlets had stated that he was fully vaccinated. (...)

Cain, like Carlson, proceeded to insist that his goal was not to be “leading you to vaccine hesitancy.” But also like Carlson’s, the thrust of his coverage was clear. It suggests we’ve been misled, while barraging us with questions that are themselves misleading and in many cases already answered. (...)

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Posted: Oct 19, 2021 - 2:07pm

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I guess I do not share your ethnic-cleansing terrorism politics. 

But I do admire your willingness to sacrifice American wealth and blood.  

my bags (i can see where this would considered poor timing on my part)
i thought we were talking about colin powell and that someone was angry at him (which i also understand - conflict does that)
that quote of his came to mind and i apologize for any offense
he (and our political leaders) made a huge mistake and as a result a lot of innocent people perished in war
he has since admitted that he was wrong and regrets providing bad info

“It turned out, as we discovered later, that a lot of sources that had been attested to by the intelligence community were wrong,” Powell said in Washington, DC.

“I understood the consequences of that failure and, as I said, I deeply regret that the information – some of the information, not all of it – was wrong,” said the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

“It has blotted my record, but – you know – there’s nothing I can do to change that blot. All I can say is that I gave it the best analysis that I could.”

should we believe him? should he be forgiven?
did the intelligence community give him bad info on purpose? was he used as a mouth piece to sell a war? who knows 

we've had some disastrous foreign policy and unfortunately it looks like we haven't learned a lot from it

war is never the answer

when is it time to stop killing folks and do the hard work of building the peace?
regards


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