ScottFromWyoming wrote:
 

 miamizsun wrote: 
Tests came back positive 2 days ago and so far they’re still asymptomatic 

wow it’s weird when “asymptomatic” comes up in the predictive text after a couple of letters  

 miamizsun wrote:
 

I think you are sounding more the issue of whether FDA should have the authority to approve or disapprove the use of drugs. A bigger topic and discussion.

My understanding (limited as it may be) is that the FDA rescinded its  emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine for treatment of Covid-19. The FDA apparently did so based on 3 randomized studies that did not show it to be effective. The study out of Detroit apparently was not randomized.

It  also is my understanding that doctors can still prescribe it for patients because it is approved for other treatment uses and that some doctors are still prescribing it for Covid-19 treatment? Not sure how this all settles out.

My objection is to non-medical people — like Navarro, and Trump for that matter — giving their opinions even when those opinions are inconsistent with those of the medical professionals within the administration. That makes no sense to me. And it casts doubts upon the credibility of the scientific information being disseminated by the government during a nationalA  public health crisis.  If we have a FDA and a CDC and a NIH, I want to be able to believe that the information those agencies are disseminating constitute their best medical judgments based on scientific evidence and protocols. I do not want to have to be concerned with whether political pressures are being brought that would hamper those agencies and dilute or even distort their messages to the public.

So, right now, I am having a hard time putting politics and the specter of political influence on what should be solely a matter for scientists and medical personnel, to the side.

 steeler wrote: 

politics aside

i've been really busy lately, sometime back i took note a few countries using it (i think early)

costa rica comes to mind (they met with the chinese and started it immediately)

there are others we could probably dig up and have a look at some of their results

hcq is a zinc ionophore, it allows zinc to penetrate the cell to help stop/reduce viral replication (viral load)

low or normal dosing with hcq and increased zinc taken early for 6-10 days may get the desired effect

especially for people that are higher risk (age, comorbidities, etc.) and check for conflicts with other meds too

if you're high risk, early like at the first sign of an issue, don't wait

i'm not aware of a study where it was taken with zinc at the earliest stages

since there isn't much else out there that is easily available and if people are willing to try it as an alternative to waiting until they're fully engulfed

understand that people may different results/outcomes

patients should have that choice or ivermectin or whatever

regards

One might wonder why Peter Navarro, a trade and economic adviser, is a point person on a campaign to get the FDA to reverse its position on emergency use of hydroxychloroquine to treat Covid-19. Could it be that this is a political issue for the White House? (And other noted medical experts like Rudy Giuliani and Laura Ingraham also are part of this campaigN).

Seems to me this is a microcosm of why our response  to the virus is faltering/failing.

From today’s Washington Post

White House trade adviser Peter Navarro is leading a Trump administration effort to demand the Food and Drug Administration reverse course and grant a second emergency authorization for the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine to treat covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

Navarro, armed with a new study that he says shows the drug’s effectiveness, is being cheered on by President Trump, who has long touted the drug as a “game changer” and even used it himself as a possible preventive measure. Trump praised the study on Twitter this week, urging the FDA to “Act Now.” The campaign also has been promoted by Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president’s lawyer, and Laura Ingraham’s show on Fox News.

But Navarro, an economist known more for his aggressive approach to trade issues and China policy than for his medical credentials, faces serious challenges as he denounces what he calls “media-induced hydroxy hysteria.” Scientists have widely criticized the new study, by Detroit’s Henry Ford Health System, as flawed. In addition, just weeks ago the FDA revoked its emergency authorization for hydroxychloroquine after major studies found the medication wasn’t effective for covid-19. And the unexpected revival of a politically fraught issue comes as FDA Commissioner Stephen M. Hahn tries to shake off criticism he sometimes seems overly deferential to Trump.

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
sorry to hear this scott

A memory care facility in Montana is 100% positive and at least 2/3 of the staff as well. The National Guard is coming to help where they can. I know two of the residents.

Gov. Abbott didn’t listen to coronavirus warnings and Texans died

When Luther reopened her Salon a la Mode in Dallas in violation of Abbott’s own order and publicly tore up a court order before TV cameras and an adoring crowd, the governor not only rushed to her defense but also accelerated his efforts to allow all hair salons to reopen ahead of gathering data about health impacts.

Hidalgo and other county and city leaders across the state were meanwhile getting steamrolled by Abbott’s superseding orders even as they begged for the authority to mandate masks and reopen more cautiously, moves that Abbott is now being forced to implement.

Abbott’s backpedaling and his acquiescence to the social distancing rebels hollering tyranny propelled him down a path to a reckless reopening of the state while downplaying the COVID-19 threat and suggesting crucial guidance on things such as wearing a mask, social-distancing and avoiding large crowds could be ignored on grounds of “personal liberty” or political fealty.

This is more than a case of a politician just doing what politicians do. This isn’t the same as impeding local leaders who want to ban plastic bags or clownishly calling the Texas State Guard to monitor a federal military exercise because some right-wing conspiracy theorists on the internet were convinced Jade Helm 15 sounded like a government plot to take their guns.

Abbott’s actions this time led to widespread sickness and hundreds of deaths.

The state’s top executive, elected to represent all Texans, chose to pander to the Republican base and curry favor with President Trump, who lauded the “fantastic job” he was doing getting Texas back up and running so quickly.

Dr Fauci last briefed Trump two months ago, as the top expert admits he has reputation to not ‘sugar-coat’ information

Dr Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, has not briefed President Donald Trump in the past two months about the coronavirus pandemic, as cases surge in parts of the US.

Early on in the pandemic, the president would meet with Dr Fauci and the White House Coronavirus Task Force multiple times per week.

The task force also held daily press briefings in March and April, which Mr Trump would often attend, before abruptly ending them.

But in an interview with the Financial Times, Dr Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said his communications with the president have since drifted off.

He last met in-person with Mr Trump on 2 June. Additionally, Dr Fauci said it’s been at least two months since he briefed the president, but he’s “sure” his messages are being passed on.

Distance between the president and his top infectious disease expert could be due to Dr Fauci’s outspokenness about the seriousness of the pandemic and how it very much still remains a problem across the country.

Dr Fauci was asked about Mr Trump’s recent false claim that 99 per cent of COVID-19 cases are harmless, which he then debunked.

“I’m trying to figure out where the president got that number,” Dr Fauci said. “What I think happened is that someone told him that the general mortality is about 1 per cent. And he interpreted, therefore, that 99 per cent is not a problem, when that’s obviously not the case.”

He added the confusion about the virus across the country could be because of how broadly it affects people – with some completely asymptomatic while others are severely ill in the hospital.

“I have never seen a virus or any pathogen that has such a broad range of manifestations,” he said. “Even if it doesn’t kill you, even if it doesn’t put you in the hospital, it can make you seriously ill.”

Reports surfaced recently about the White House attempting to prevent Dr Fauci from speaking in television interviews as of late. The expert credited that to his “reputation”.

“I have a reputation, as you probably have figured out, of speaking the truth at all times and not sugar-coating things. And that maybe one of the reasons why I haven’t been on television very much lately,” he said.

 black321 wrote:
 
Possibly, but then there would still be the issue of it only being a recommendation. Easily ignored.

Dozens of Mississippi lawmakers have coronavirus after weeks of refusing to wear masks

I totally agree with , but the whole dont wear a mask thing at the onset was absolutely foolish (yeah, i know about the scarcity of PPE issue, but a handkerchief could have been recommended). 

hmmm...

 R_P wrote:
 
Glad to know the Texas Republican Committee has already filed suit against the City of Houston. That'll show 'em!
c.

 oldviolin wrote:
  
When someone asks, I say  "I'm a Mutt."

‘All the Hospitals Are Full’: In Houston, Overwhelmed ICUs Leave COVID-19 Patients Waiting in ERs

 buddy wrote:
 
So Mongrel-American is cool?

 kurtster wrote:
 

When do you imagine that to have started?

Hyphenated American

 sirdroseph wrote: 
If I had to pick a turning point when it all started to reverse, it would be when we started to hyphenate American.