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Posted: Jul 10, 2020 - 5:21am

 steeler wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:


 steeler wrote:
Looking at the rising death totals and explosion of new Covid-19 cases tonight, it is near impossible to take pride in being an American. This is an abomination. Americans pride themselves on being individualistic. There should not be any confusion. We are where we are because of selfishness. No pride in that. Absolutely none. Only shame.
 

There is such a thing as the irrational belief in American exceptionalism, but there is also another side of the coin to this.  Americans are certainly not exceptional, but we are also certainly not inferior and  immoral based solely upon our nationality. No one is no matter where they are from.  There are plenty of racist, bigots and nationalist all over the world who feel that some are superior and others are inferior based solely on physical characteristics or nationality.  Not a club I would want to be a part of.    You can be disappointed in idiots and scared, I get that,  but methinks you are being a bit dramatic with the anti American self loathing.   Want to know what is also irrational?  Feeling shame for the actions and behavior of others, an advantage of being individualistic is you are not burdened by such things.  Be someone that you will not be ashamed of and you should feel no shame.  You cannot and should not try to control others, only show them by example and hope they also take up a path to  enlightenment and compassion.


 
Then, correspondingly, one would not or should not take pride in being an American. 

 
Pride is certainly relative and contextual.  However I would say that we could all do with a lot less pride of culture if it is manifest in such a manner as to promote divisiveness.  I am neither proud or ashamed to be an American, I just am.   As Americans we are much too diverse to be one or the other and I suppose I am proud of that fact.
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Posted: Jul 10, 2020 - 5:13am



 sirdroseph wrote:


 steeler wrote:
Looking at the rising death totals and explosion of new Covid-19 cases tonight, it is near impossible to take pride in being an American. This is an abomination. Americans pride themselves on being individualistic. There should not be any confusion. We are where we are because of selfishness. No pride in that. Absolutely none. Only shame.
 

There is such a thing as the irrational belief in American exceptionalism, but there is also another side of the coin to this.  Americans are certainly not exceptional, but we are also certainly not inferior and  immoral based solely upon our nationality. No one is no matter where they are from.  There are plenty of racist, bigots and nationalist all over the world who feel that some are superior and others are inferior based solely on physical characteristics or nationality.  Not a club I would want to be a part of.    You can be disappointed in idiots and scared, I get that,  but methinks you are being a bit dramatic with the anti American self loathing.   Want to know what is also irrational?  Feeling shame for the actions and behavior of others, an advantage of being individualistic is you are not burdened by such things.  Be someone that you will not be ashamed of and you should feel no shame.  You cannot and should not try to control others, only show them by example and hope they also take up a path to  enlightenment and compassion.




 
Then, correspondingly, one would not or should not take pride in being an American. 

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Posted: Jul 10, 2020 - 5:11am

 kurtster wrote:

{#Yes}
 
I could have just simply said; I assure you Americans hold no monopoly on selfishness and left it at that, but sometime da herb steers you down the long overdrawn trail of the overly loquacious.{#Cowboy}
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Posted: Jul 10, 2020 - 4:57am

 sirdroseph wrote:


 steeler wrote:
Looking at the rising death totals and explosion of new Covid-19 cases tonight, it is near impossible to take pride in being an American. This is an abomination. Americans pride themselves on being individualistic. There should not be any confusion. We are where we are because of selfishness. No pride in that. Absolutely none. Only shame.
 

There is such a thing as the irrational belief in American exceptionalism, but there is also another side of the coin to this.  Americans are certainly not exceptional, but we are also certainly not inferior and  immoral based solely upon our nationality. No one is no matter where they are from.  There are plenty of racist, bigots and nationalist all over the world who feel that some are superior and others are inferior based solely on physical characteristics or nationality.  Not a club I would want to be a part of.    You can be disappointed in idiots and scared, I get that,  but methinks you are being a bit dramatic with the anti American self loathing.   Want to know what is also irrational?  Feeling shame for the actions and behavior of others, an advantage of being individualistic is you are not burdened by such things.  Be someone that you will not be ashamed of and you should feel no shame.  You cannot and should not try to control others, only show them by example and hope they also take up a path to  enlightenment and compassion.


 
{#Yes}
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Posted: Jul 10, 2020 - 1:38am



 steeler wrote:
Looking at the rising death totals and explosion of new Covid-19 cases tonight, it is near impossible to take pride in being an American. This is an abomination. Americans pride themselves on being individualistic. There should not be any confusion. We are where we are because of selfishness. No pride in that. Absolutely none. Only shame.
 

There is such a thing as the irrational belief in American exceptionalism, but there is also another side of the coin to this.  Americans are certainly not exceptional, but we are also certainly not inferior and  immoral based solely upon our nationality. No one is no matter where they are from.  There are plenty of racist, bigots and nationalist all over the world who feel that some are superior and others are inferior based solely on physical characteristics or nationality.  Not a club I would want to be a part of.    You can be disappointed in idiots and scared, I get that,  but methinks you are being a bit dramatic with the anti American self loathing.   Want to know what is also irrational?  Feeling shame for the actions and behavior of others, an advantage of being individualistic is you are not burdened by such things.  Be someone that you will not be ashamed of and you should feel no shame.  You cannot and should not try to control others, only show them by example and hope they also take up a path to  enlightenment and compassion.




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Posted: Jul 9, 2020 - 7:58pm

 steeler wrote:
Looking at the rising death totals and explosion of new Covid-19 cases tonight, it is near impossible to take pride in being an American. This is an abomination. Americans pride themselves on being individualistic. There should not be any confusion. We are where we are because of selfishness. No pride in that. Absolutely none. Only shame.
 

it is easy to get down, i know from personal experience

unfortunately the disease is going to run it's course and do what it does

i don't want to sound callous about that, so don't take that the wrong way peeps

some really smart people did some data comparison with europe and estimated a toll of 200k here

that's hard to think about

stay safe
steeler

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Posted: Jul 9, 2020 - 7:22pm

Looking at the rising death totals and explosion of new Covid-19 cases tonight, it is near impossible to take pride in being an American. This is an abomination. Americans pride themselves on being individualistic. There should not be any confusion. We are where we are because of selfishness. No pride in that. Absolutely none. Only shame.
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Posted: Jul 9, 2020 - 2:22pm



 R_P wrote:
Florida reports one-day record with 120 Covid-19 deaths
Sharp rise in fatalities sends financial markets lower on concerns pandemic is worsening
Florida has recorded its biggest single-day increase in coronavirus-related deaths since the start of the pandemic, sending the stock market lower on fears the latest US outbreak could lead to another surge in fatalities.

The total of 120 deaths reported by Florida on Thursday was more than double the 48 recorded the day before and follows weeks of declining fatalities in the state. It comes as several other Sun Belt states have recorded sharp rises in deaths.

Texas on Wednesday reported a one-day record for the state of 98 while Arizona reported 75 fatalities on Thursday, also more than double the day before. The Arizona tally brings its seven-day average to almost 68, the highest it has been during the pandemic.

 


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Posted: Jul 9, 2020 - 1:14pm

Florida reports one-day record with 120 Covid-19 deaths
Sharp rise in fatalities sends financial markets lower on concerns pandemic is worsening
Florida has recorded its biggest single-day increase in coronavirus-related deaths since the start of the pandemic, sending the stock market lower on fears the latest US outbreak could lead to another surge in fatalities.

The total of 120 deaths reported by Florida on Thursday was more than double the 48 recorded the day before and follows weeks of declining fatalities in the state. It comes as several other Sun Belt states have recorded sharp rises in deaths.

Texas on Wednesday reported a one-day record for the state of 98 while Arizona reported 75 fatalities on Thursday, also more than double the day before. The Arizona tally brings its seven-day average to almost 68, the highest it has been during the pandemic.

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Posted: Jul 9, 2020 - 11:32am

Health official: Trump rally ‘likely’ source of virus surge
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Posted: Jul 9, 2020 - 5:05am

Just The Two Of Us

Rhiannon Giddens' take on “Just The Two Of Us,” the Bill Withers classic, featuring photos and videos taken by friends and family in quarantine, and workers in the North Carolina UNC and NY-Presbytarian healthcare systems.

Rhiannon Giddens – vocals
Sxip Shirey – harmonica and electronics
John Altieri – sousaphone
Attis Clopton – drums
Don Godwin – valve trombone
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Posted: Jul 8, 2020 - 6:48pm

Warning of serious brain disorders in people with mild coronavirus symptoms
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Posted: Jul 8, 2020 - 12:15pm

A guide to R — the pandemic’s misunderstood metric
What the reproduction number can and can’t tell us about managing COVID-19.
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Posted: Jul 8, 2020 - 10:52am

3 Million Cases: Coronavirus Continues To Surge Across U.S.
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Posted: Jul 8, 2020 - 10:23am



 miamizsun wrote:


disclaimer: i'm not sure of the cost of developement of remdesiviir
 
As stated below: it’s not the cost of that drug. It’s the cost of running that development and research company and all the buildings, utilities, personnel (including lawyers), and production and distribution.

ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Jul 8, 2020 - 9:27am



 islander wrote:


 miamizsun wrote:


disclaimer: i'm not sure of the cost of developement of remdesiviir
 

To be fair, it's not just the cost of remdesiviir. It is the cost of the 27 other attempts you had to try before finding the one that works, and the cost of keeping the lights on and the trash taken out while you did all that other development without any associated revenue. Research is expensive, it usually pays off, but getting there incurs costs which have to be recovered eventually. 
 
Plus, if you're not sure the drug is going to be unique or long in the marketplace, you need to recoup those costs asap.

islander

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Posted: Jul 8, 2020 - 7:53am



 miamizsun wrote:


disclaimer: i'm not sure of the cost of developement of remdesiviir
 

To be fair, it's not just the cost of remdesiviir. It is the cost of the 27 other attempts you had to try before finding the one that works, and the cost of keeping the lights on and the trash taken out while you did all that other development without any associated revenue. Research is expensive, it usually pays off, but getting there incurs costs which have to be recovered eventually. 
miamizsun

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Posted: Jul 8, 2020 - 7:39am

 miamizsun wrote:
 

disclaimer: i'm not sure of the cost of developement of remdesiviir
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Posted: Jul 8, 2020 - 6:44am

 R_P wrote: 

i think who has done good work in the past

but clearly they've been compromised by political interests

their foolish treatment and blowing off of taiwan, probably cost lives around the world

are they salvageable? yeah, but they need transparency and accountability

here's a very who friendly video, but peeps can get the general idea of what is going on

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Posted: Jul 8, 2020 - 3:08am

Indications of brain damage in some Covid patients
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