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islander

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Posted: Nov 23, 2021 - 3:22pm

 JrzyTmata wrote:

dr. said after the 2nd shingle shot, you're good for life.
why didn't I get to see dinosaur tracks when we visited?



It's all about the timing. You need a little rain, then Manbird has to chase OldViolin across the muddy field.

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Posted: Nov 23, 2021 - 1:38pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


That Shingrix is one helluva shot. Then you have to do it again in a few months. Justine and I had both just gotten ours when Haresfur came to town. So we were not very chipper hosts! He got to see some wild horses and dinosaur tracks tho so I don't think he hates us.


That was an amazing visit. Thank you for pretending you didn't feel like crap.

I'm still mortified about the table.
Steely_D

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Posted: Nov 23, 2021 - 11:19am

Thoughts and prayers, and don't clog up our ED with your idiocy.
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Posted: Nov 23, 2021 - 10:52am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


That Shingrix is one helluva shot. Then you have to do it again in a few months. Justine and I had both just gotten ours when Haresfur came to town. So we were not very chipper hosts! He got to see some wild horses and dinosaur tracks tho so I don't think he hates us.

dr. said after the 2nd shingle shot, you're good for life.
why didn't I get to see dinosaur tracks when we visited?

ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Nov 23, 2021 - 10:05am

 JrzyTmata wrote:

I originally had moderna. getting moderna booster. got my flu shot a few days ago. so no overlap there. had very mild reaction to flu shot. never had reaction before. Pneumonia shot coming up in the spring. those hurt like hell. sore arm that you can't move. then I should consider shingle vax. geez. are there any other vaxes?




That Shingrix is one helluva shot. Then you have to do it again in a few months. Justine and I had both just gotten ours when Haresfur came to town. So we were not very chipper hosts! He got to see some wild horses and dinosaur tracks tho so I don't think he hates us.
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Posted: Nov 23, 2021 - 9:34am

 Steely_D wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
Squirrel!

Everybody that can, go get your shots. Same rules as when you started school or joined the military.
Wear a mask when you’re around folks. Cough into your sleeve. Get some sun as the days get shorter - the SAD season is coming.
 
You forgot wash your hands !!!!

You know it is a real shame when we have to tell people to wash their hands.

Explains way too much why we are in the sad state we are in.
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Posted: Nov 23, 2021 - 9:28am

 kurtster wrote:
Squirrel!

Everybody that can, go get your shots. Same rules as when you started school or joined the military.
Wear a mask when you’re around folks. Cough into your sleeve. Get some sun as the days get shorter - the SAD season is coming.

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Posted: Nov 23, 2021 - 9:24am

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Posted: Nov 23, 2021 - 9:17am

 steeler wrote:
. I am mystified by those who take the opposite approach. The only explanation I can come up with is they are being driven, consciously or unconsciously, by a form of confirmation bias.


Now I believe it’s self-sustaining, with Americans convinced of something or another that makes them refuse medical advice. But I firmly believe that this is a result of a targeted social media attack by our enemies. By spreading misinformation they’ve managed to kill almost a million Americans without firing a shot. We’re outraged by the planes and the Twin Towers, but no one gives a damn about all these innocent Americans murdered by words.

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Posted: Nov 23, 2021 - 9:10am

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This is all people need to know. There’s so much discussion in the press and online by people without a background in the sciences (not talking about you, specifically) that opine about what should/shouldn’t be done based on a study or a conjecture or common sense. It’s a massive case of “forest for the trees.”

Short version: medical experts study this crap for decades, understand nuance including pros/cons, and make recommendations that can change as they understand something more. Don’t “do your own research” except to understand what current public health recommendations are and follow the instructions. They may change, and that’s part of the process. (First leeches were good, then bad, now they’re good again. Go figure.)



The ongoing debates about vaccinations, masks, and climate change are stupefying in many ways, but especially so when I think about it in terms of thought processes, reason, and simple logic. When I am sorting through complex information on a subject that I know is beyond my understanding and intellectual reach, and the vast majority of those with expertise in the relevant fields are coming down on one side of an issue, I am going to take that side unless and until it is definitively proven that those with the decidedly minority position are correct. To me, that is just logical. I am mystified by those who take the opposite approach. The only explanation I can come up with is they are being driven, consciously or unconsciously, by a form of confirmation bias.

I am concerned about the virus. I am not concerned about the safety of the vaccine. While acknowledging that nothing is guaranteed or foolproof, I trust those epidemiologists and others in the field who have determined it to be sufficiently safe. I consider placing trust in these people and institutions to be logical. I readily acknowledge that I have no basis or requisite background knowledge upon which to study the issue myself and reach my own conclusion. So, yes, it is a matter of trust in those experts, those institutions, and, writ large, science itself.



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Posted: Nov 23, 2021 - 9:04am

 miamizsun wrote:
, it still makes sense to get a booster and continue educating your immune system


This is all people need to know. There’s so much discussion in the press and online by people without a background in the sciences (not talking about you, specifically) that opine about what should/shouldn’t be done based on a study or a conjecture or common sense. It’s a massive case of “forest for the trees.”

Short version: medical experts study this crap for decades, understand nuance including pros/cons, and make recommendations that can change as they understand something more. Don’t “do your own research” except to understand what current public health recommendations are and follow the instructions. They may change, and that’s part of the process. (First leeches were good, then bad, now they’re good again. Go figure.)
Lazy8

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Posted: Nov 23, 2021 - 8:50am

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 The immunity faded and new cases rose to unacceptable levels. Even if the vaccines stopped working entirely, it appears that the booster shots work (but again probably only for two or three months). One likely reason the immunity effect is so weak is that the present vaccines are directed against an extinct variant.  Where are the Delta vaccines?

The vaccines have not stopped working entirely. Your definition of working seems to be immunity from infection. There is far more to it than that; even after months vaxxed folks demonstrate resistance to serious infection as measured by hospitalization and death rates.

Our bodies need (and have) defense in depth. If we could reduce the covid death and hospitalization rates to that of vaxxed folks we would be having the equivalent of a bad flu season. We don't lock down and wreck our social and economic ecosystems over a bad flu season. We may still have high infection rates but we wouldn't have ICUs full of people gurgling their last on ventilators.

There may be no defense against the delta variant as effective as the vaccines were against the alpha variant. After decades of effort we don't have a vaccine against HIV.

The effort it took to develop the covid vaccines was immense. With that knowledge base tweaking one for the delta variant may not take as long or cost as much, but if people won't take it, if they keep whining that they aren't 100% effective, if they keep fastening on the aspects of the process they don't understand as if they were signs of malevolent intent why bother? And if after all that effort and expense if we only get a 10% improvement we would have been better off focusing on some other problem.

Like getting people to use the tools we already have, imperfect as they are. We could be done with this by now. We could be arguing about something else, and after a year and a half I am so ready to change the subject. But we can't. Because people are still getting sick, still dying, still falling for conspiracy theories, still searching desperately for any excuse to avoid that needle.

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Posted: Nov 23, 2021 - 7:47am

 black321 wrote:
 rhahl wrote:
 


Israel data show the vaccine stopped working, or became less effective?
If they stopped working after 2-3 months, there would be a lot more sick folks in the hospital.
The immunity faded and new cases rose to unacceptable levels. Even if the vaccines stopped working entirely, it appears that the booster shots work (but again probably only for two or three months). One likely reason the immunity effect is so weak is that the present vaccines are directed against an extinct variant.  Where are the Delta vaccines?

black321

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Posted: Nov 23, 2021 - 7:38am

 rhahl wrote:


Israel data show the vaccine stopped working, or became less effective?
If they stopped working after 2-3 months, there would be a lot more sick folks in the hospital.


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Posted: Nov 23, 2021 - 7:20am

 miamizsun wrote:

as i understand it:
Memory T cells are antigen-specific T cells that remain long-term after an infection has been eliminated. The memory T cells are quickly converted into large numbers of effector T cells upon reexposure to the specific invading antigen, thus providing a rapid response to past infection. 

and

B cell memory is generated upon a first pathogen encounter and is carried by two distinct lineages: long-lived plasma cells that secrete protective antibodies for a lifetime and memory B cells that can elicit improved and enhanced responses upon new antigen challenges.

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so when antibodies generated by infection/exposure wane, your immune system keeps a profile in memory to respond for future exposures
also, i thought i saw a ref to a study last night that pointed to very strong immune response (in med professionals) from natural infection and reinfection
and no, i'm not saying to go out and get infected, please don't
if you have recovered from a previous infection, it still makes sense to get a booster and continue educating your immune system
 As someone (probably Yogi Berra) said: in theory, theory is the same as practice. In practice, it isn't.

I think the Israeli's knew all about the immune system when they noticed that the Pfizer vaccine seemed to stop working after two or three months and launched their booster program. I think the people who developed vaccines against the common cold also knew how the immune system worked when they realized their product gave immunity for just a few months.  Consider that the Pfizer and Moderna clinical trials ended after two months, when they both declared victory. They probably didn't do that just because Trump wanted a vaccine by election day. They expected immunity to last around two months (widely discussed at the time), and that is all they needed to show. And that is all they did show. Everything else is just an argument based on antibodies, blood cells, etc.
 
miamizsun

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Posted: Nov 23, 2021 - 5:37am

btw, if people intend to use the new therapeutics/pills it is crucial to catch the infection in the early stages
this is another reason why it is super important to continue to develop accurate and inexpensive rapid tests
see michael mina and u penn
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Posted: Nov 23, 2021 - 4:10am

 rhahl wrote:
To tell people that they are not actually vaccinated after about two months.
 
as i understand it:
Memory T cells are antigen-specific T cells that remain long-term after an infection has been eliminated. The memory T cells are quickly converted into large numbers of effector T cells upon reexposure to the specific invading antigen, thus providing a rapid response to past infection. 

and

B cell memory is generated upon a first pathogen encounter and is carried by two distinct lineages: long-lived plasma cells that secrete protective antibodies for a lifetime and memory B cells that can elicit improved and enhanced responses upon new antigen challenges.

===========

so when antibodies generated by infection/exposure wane, your immune system keeps a profile in memory to respond for future exposures
also, i thought i saw a ref to a study last night that pointed to very strong immune response (in med professionals) from natural infection and reinfection
and no, i'm not saying to go out and get infected, please don't
if you have recovered from a previous infection, it still makes sense to get a booster and continue educating your immune system
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Nov 22, 2021 - 6:52pm

 JrzyTmata wrote:

I originally had moderna. getting moderna booster. got my flu shot a few days ago. so no overlap there. had very mild reaction to flu shot. never had reaction before. Pneumonia shot coming up in the spring. those hurt like hell. sore arm that you can't move. then I should consider shingle vax. geez. are there any other vaxes?




We're three shots of Pizer in; nothing but sore arms so far. Got our flu shots this month - they were far worse.
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Posted: Nov 22, 2021 - 6:33pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Jrzy! 

I got the Moderna booster (half a regular dose) on my Pfizer original recipe. Got the needle at 6pm along with the flu shot, felt fine until 10 a.m. so there was a delay. Worked all day, wasn't happy about it but I was alone so I didn't have to be. Was still feeling pretty rotten when I got home but woke up the next day feeling pretty much okay. So maybe 12 to 15 hours of feeling like crap and another 12 and it was over. Except for the knot from the flu shot! Ow!
 
Augusta got her booster and flu shots yesterday around noon and she's on the same track, I think. Felt awful this morning but this afternoon is kind of up and around telling stories so I think she's through.

I originally had moderna. getting moderna booster. got my flu shot a few days ago. so no overlap there. had very mild reaction to flu shot. never had reaction before. Pneumonia shot coming up in the spring. those hurt like hell. sore arm that you can't move. then I should consider shingle vax. geez. are there any other vaxes?


ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Nov 22, 2021 - 6:20pm

 JrzyTmata wrote:

both previous shots knocked me down for 3 days. sucks. but better than covid.


Jrzy! 

I got the Moderna booster (half a regular dose) on my Pfizer original recipe. Got the needle at 6pm along with the flu shot, felt fine until 10 a.m. so there was a delay. Worked all day, wasn't happy about it but I was alone so I didn't have to be. Was still feeling pretty rotten when I got home but woke up the next day feeling pretty much okay. So maybe 12 to 15 hours of feeling like crap and another 12 and it was over. Except for the knot from the flu shot! Ow!
 
Augusta got her booster and flu shots yesterday around noon and she's on the same track, I think. Felt awful this morning but this afternoon is kind of up and around telling stories so I think she's through.
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