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BlueHeronDruid

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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 3:09pm



 buddy wrote:
 

Afraid he'll look Asian. Or gay. Or weak. Or more likely, to please the ass he kisses every day.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 2:58pm

 buddy wrote: 
JESUS will protect him.
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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 2:23pm

UK coronavirus deaths more than double official figure, according to FT study
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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 1:41pm



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 BlueHeronDruid wrote:
 
The sticking point is that he wants everything re-branded with his name on it...Trump Chicken...Trump Pork...Trump Steaks...   Oh,  nevermind on the steaks...they've already gone bankrupt once.

 
Pay the unprotected workers the corporate officers' salaries. Clearly they're more important to us than the suits.

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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 1:35pm



 BlueHeronDruid wrote:
 
The sticking point is that he wants everything re-branded with his name on it...Trump Chicken...Trump Pork...Trump Steaks...   Oh,  nevermind on the steaks...they've already gone bankrupt once.

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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 12:58pm

This is sure to go down well.

How abut hazard pay? At least all those orphans and widows will have something for their family's losses for our meat.

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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 12:53pm



 cc_rider wrote:


 Steely_D wrote:


 cc_rider wrote:
I just got an email from my brother - a philosophy professor. Minimally edited. I thought it was worth


 

That was nice. You can tell him I enjoyed reading it. It was a moment of enjoying this day, for what that’s worth.
 
Thank you, I'm glad you appreciated it. Often his writing is way over my head, but this was pretty good. And included music references, so I figured somebody here would like it.
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Thanks for sharing. It is prompting my further contemplation.
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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 11:28am



 Steely_D wrote:


 cc_rider wrote:
I just got an email from my brother - a philosophy professor. Minimally edited. I thought it was worth


 

That was nice. You can tell him I enjoyed reading it. It was a moment of enjoying this day, for what that’s worth.
 
Thank you, I'm glad you appreciated it. Often his writing is way over my head, but this was pretty good. And included music references, so I figured somebody here would like it.
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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 11:21am



 cc_rider wrote:
I just got an email from my brother - a philosophy professor. Minimally edited. I thought it was worth


 

That was nice. You can tell him I enjoyed reading it. It was a moment of enjoying this day, for what that’s worth.
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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 10:25am

Doubts about testing remain in spite of Trump’s assurances
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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 9:50am



 Lazy8 wrote:
ScottFromWyoming wrote:
The scorekeeping by both sides is prone to inaccuracy without some time to digest all of these factors, and even though I'm guilty I think it's politics and not scientific curiosity that drives a lot of the public's interest in the numbers.

"both sides"? This is about assessing the scale of the problem.
 

Okay, "some factions." Your post mentioned conspiracy theorists who are worried about over reporting, and there are people scrambling to counter that with Science®™* —those are the sides/factions I'm talking about.

*that is often not able to give meaningful numbers instantaneously but some of us run with those numbers anyway.

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I did fail to mention that my entire postdribble was intended to reflect agreeance with the article.
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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 9:35am

ScottFromWyoming wrote:
The scorekeeping by both sides is prone to inaccuracy without some time to digest all of these factors, and even though I'm guilty I think it's politics and not scientific curiosity that drives a lot of the public's interest in the numbers.

"both sides"? This is about assessing the scale of the problem.
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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 9:29am



 Lazy8 wrote:
Different jurisdictions have different criteria for what counts as a death from corona virus. There are conspiracy theorists claiming that doctors are pressured to count anyone who die with the virus died of the virus, and a shortage of test materials may cause some corona deaths to be counted as pneumonia or some other ailment. How can we sort this out?

The Financial Times has an answer: count deaths overall and compare to historical averages; they did this for 17 European countries.. Regardless of how you count covid deaths everybody counts deaths the same. The excess (beyond the expected number) is likely due to corona.

Or the lockdown. Or fear of taking your chest pains to the hospital, where you might get infected. We honestly can't tell if these factors are influencing the death rate or how much; we could make some educated guesses. I'll wait for people who know what they're doing to tabulate those, but the raw numbers seem unlikely to stem from those speculative causes.

Global coronavirus death toll could be 60% higher than reported | Free to read

Mortality statistics show 122,000 deaths in excess of normal levels across 14 countries analysed by the FT

 

The scorekeeping by both sides is prone to inaccuracy without some time to digest all of these factors, and even though I'm guilty I think it's politics and not scientific curiosity that drives a lot of the public's interest in the numbers.
Lazy8

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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 8:54am

Different jurisdictions have different criteria for what counts as a death from corona virus. There are conspiracy theorists claiming that doctors are pressured to count anyone who die with the virus died of the virus, and a shortage of test materials may cause some corona deaths to be counted as pneumonia or some other ailment. How can we sort this out?

The Financial Times has an answer: count deaths overall and compare to historical averages; they did this for 17 European countries.. Regardless of how you count covid deaths everybody counts deaths the same. The excess (beyond the expected number) is likely due to corona.

Or the lockdown. Or fear of taking your chest pains to the hospital, where you might get infected. We honestly can't tell if these factors are influencing the death rate or how much; we could make some educated guesses. I'll wait for people who know what they're doing to tabulate those, but the raw numbers seem unlikely to stem from those speculative causes.

Global coronavirus death toll could be 60% higher than reported | Free to read

Mortality statistics show 122,000 deaths in excess of normal levels across 14 countries analysed by the FT

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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 8:48am

I just got an email from my brother - a philosophy professor. Minimally edited. I thought it was worth sharing.


—-
One of the best things in Japanese culture is "mono no aware" which translates as "the sadness of things." The idea is that beauty is in part a function of the fact that everything is finite. Even if there is a heaven it's not this, so this is transient, and things themselves are sad because every thing is transient. But that very transience is also what makes beauty possible (and remember that the God of Roman Catholicism just is the union of truth, beauty, and goodness), and there is a certain kind of redemption in that sort of wistful beauty. This is why in Japan the weather satellites and news stations follow the blooming of the cherry blossoms every year and people go and sit meditatively under them during the few days of flowering.

Tragedy is always horrible, but also strange for people of faith (including Buddhists and many atheists and agnostics here). Faith requires a kind of stereoscopic vision. The moral view of the faith leads you to witness and be present for all of the finite sadness when things go wrong as they inevitably do. Listen to Pope Francis calling the coronavirus an evil and resonate with his awful sadness as he sits silently in front of the Eucharist. But on the other hand, the sort of cosmic view that faith and contemplation engender leads you to an infinite perspective which sees everything in totality as exactly the way it must be and (as the author of Genesis says) Good. Most of us just look through one lens at a time, the moral this-is-crushingly-sad lens and the cosmic this-is-beautiful-and-perfect lens. Each is true but false to the extent that for creatures like us each lens precludes the other.

I suspect that saints are people who just see through both lenses clearly at the same time. Perhaps when us ordinary people are in states of grace we are doing the same. Perhaps that is what love is. I don't know.

If there were a voice out of the fire speaking right now to Americans I imagine it would be saying something like welcome to the human race.

I hear the old blues song - "I don't mind dying, but I hate to see my children crying." I never thought I'd ever come even close to understanding the terror that prompted that song, but here we all are. Welcome to the human race. I pray that all of us muddle through.

We
are doing this weird thing where we play a song into her little phone with facebook live turned on every night. It's fun and helping us create linear time through all of the repetition. She won't let us play any of the really depressing songs I'm drawn to, and in addition to vetoing anything I've picked from Townes Van Zandt (his "Lungs" is perfect and probably perfectly unhelpful) she nixes the really grieving bluegrass and blues songs I love, including the one I quoted above. Man she has better sense than me!

How lucky are we to have found love (from and for each other, our pets, music, whatever) during this incarnation. If hope is the thing with feathers (or maybe petals), love is the thing that will survive us.

I've learned so much from all of you and am so lucky and grateful to be your brother and son. I hope that all of us manage to continue to find beauty and joy, and to help others find them, in the midst of all of this sadness.
—-


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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 8:36am

An ER doctor in NYC, Dr. Lorna Breen, died by suicide this weekend.

From NYT, emphasis mine:

"Dr. Lorna M. Breen, the medical director of the emergency department at NewYork-Presbyterian Allen Hospital, died in Charlottesville, Va., where she was staying with family, her father said in an interview."

She told family about an 'onslaught' of patients, some dying before staff could get them out of the ambulances.
Another victim of the virus. Heartbreaking.
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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 7:52am


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Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 1:38am

Latin American gravediggers fear virus death toll higher than admitted
Frontline workers say Brazil and Mexico’s governments are under-reporting fatalities
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Posted: Apr 27, 2020 - 7:12pm


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Posted: Apr 27, 2020 - 11:36am

Nature didn’t drop this bomb. We dropped it on nature
The SARS outbreak of 2003 showed us the consequences of environmental degradation and the commodification of wild animals. Why hasn’t anything changed?
Many commentators are referring to this as a once-in-a-century event. Yet what we know of emerging disease suggests this may be nowhere near accurate. In the last century, a combination of massive population growth, erosion of ecosystems and crashing biodiversity have culminated in rising opportunities for pathogens to pass from animals to people. 

There are wildlife markets in many parts of the world, not just China. The World Health Organization has called on all countries to close wet markets, amid warnings about the risks posed by environments where humans are in close contact with animals and where pathogens can spread quickly from animals to humans.

Emerging from my work in great ape conservation, in the late 1990s I began to scout wildlife markets to assess the toll of the bush meat trade on the great ape populations of central Africa. I partnered with American researchers from Johns Hopkins University in Maryland who were studying the genesis of emerging diseases associated with the consumption of wild animals, such as Ebola and HIV. In my naivety, I truly believed that once peer-reviewed reports emerged clearly identifying the risk to global health and the security of all nations, a multitude of organizations, from the WHO to the U.S. State Department, would begin to monitor and mitigate such massive threats.

Responses, however, were piecemeal, underfunded and sporadic.  I was a health care worker in Toronto during the SARS outbreak of 2003 and the most important lesson was that of the very genesis of the SARS outbreak: the consequences of environmental deterioration and the commodification and consumption of wild animals. The WHO website lists more than 30 major zoonotic diseases of concern. But the inertia continued.

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