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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 9:43am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
and while I am it.. We do take you as person seriously.
 
Speak for yourself.

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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 9:43am



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Sigh.

 
To be honest, I didn't expect anyone to run with it more than to say "Yeah, that's kind of interesting." Sorry if I led you astray. I'm a bad influence... and it was a total troll move to post it as chum anyway, since I really don't know what it means yet. 

Been a long ol' week. Almost whiskey time tho. :cheers:

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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 9:36am



 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

what if all that were true, Kurtster? What difference does it make? Not a f-ing bean. 

The history of mankind is peppered with outbreaks of deadly diseases. It is what nature does. 

And now we have to fight the one we have been served, which is pretty mild in comparison to some of the others in history. Whether the pathogen was shot at us by the Chinese, Mr. Blofeld, an alien race from the Andromeda galaxy or a mightily-pissed-off bat in a food stall in Wuhan doesn't make any difference whatsoever.

Just drop it. Seriously. 

and while I am it.. We do take you as person seriously. That doesn't mean we have to buy into your mindset. We actually all have our own, thank-you very much.
 
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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 9:27am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

Kurtster, I fully appreciate you were indulging in a bit of creative mapping of possible scenarios and were invited to do so by Scott.

But you can't have it both ways, 1) this is plausible until proven otherwise and 2) this is just a game I was playing and doesn't mean anything. 

Hand on heart, which is it for you?
 
Sez who ?  There is always only one explanation for everything ? 

Then go ahead and prove my little CT theory wrong. 

You can no more do that than I can prove it true.  And I am not afraid to admit that I can't prove it to be true. 

Are you willing to admit that you cannot prove it to be false ?

Unless you're holding back from the class ?

It was an exercise in the use of logic.

Chillax.
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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 9:17am

 kurtster wrote:

Sigh.

 
Kurtster, I fully appreciate you were indulging in a bit of creative mapping of possible scenarios and were invited to do so by Scott.

But you can't have it both ways, 1) this is plausible until proven otherwise and 2) this is just a game I was playing and doesn't mean anything. 

Hand on heart, which is it for you?
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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 9:12am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

how what works?  your conflation of fiction with fact? your brain? your foxhole mentality to anything foreign? your predilection for the latest conspiracy theory?

Sorry, you do take this seriously as has been copiously evidenced on this site over the years, so I will continue to take you at your word and take you seriously.

The alternative is to write you off as a nut-job.  
 
I find that insulting and is wholly untrue.  I even addressed that in my little riff if you go back and read it a little more carefully.  To help you out it was in the deconstruction part.

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Anyway, I tossed some chum in the water for the conspiracy theorists among us. 21 million mobile phone accounts closed in China. A lot of them can be explained by the downturn in the economy, but how many represent a Covid death? 
 

 
kurtster wrote:
Ok, I'll try and play.  I do love a fun trip down the rabbit hole now and then as long as plausible conjecture is allowed with no harm intended if done by accident and not taken too seriously.  I'll think about it and see if I can come up with something better than a few more died than China's government is telling us.
 

Sigh.

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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 9:03am

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That is how it works.
 
how what works?  your conflation of fiction with fact? your brain? your foxhole mentality to anything foreign? your predilection for the latest conspiracy theory?

Sorry, you do take this seriously as has been copiously evidenced on this site over the years, so I will continue to take you at your word and take you seriously.

The alternative is to write you off as a nut-job.  
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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 8:58am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

what if all that were true, Kurtster? What difference does it make? Not a f-ing bean. 

The history of mankind is peppered with outbreaks of deadly diseases. It is what nature does. 

And now we have to fight the one we have been served, which is pretty mild in comparison to some of the others in history. Whether the pathogen was shot at us by the Chinese, Mr. Blofeld, an alien race from the Andromeda galaxy or a mightily-pissed-off bat in a food stall in Wuhan doesn't make any difference whatsoever.

Just drop it. Seriously. 

and while I am it.. We do take you as person seriously. That doesn't mean we have to buy into your mindset. We actually all have our own, thank-you very much.

You are taking this too seriously.

You missed my disclaimer at the opening.
 

it was an exercise in conjecture and nothing more and it was only done because it was requested. 

Do I believe it, no.  Will I profess it ad naseum ?  No.   But I will consider it as plausible until I hear something more conclusive that changes facts and details.

That is how it works.
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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 8:56am

Jack Ma, the founder of Chinese wholesale online market Alibaba, has donated millions of dollars-worth of medical aid around the world to help with countries battling the coronavirus - including sending a million masks and 500,000 testing kits to the United States. 

But this week at attempt by Ma to make a similar donation to Cuba - which has itself been sending doctors around the world to help with coronavirus medical efforts - was blocked by the US government, Xinhua, China’s official news agency, reports.

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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 7:15am



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I just thought it was strange that the detailed table you provided didn't show a source for the information.
 

It's definitely odd that they don't even put a "bug" credit on each chart, even if it only links back to them as primary source.
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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 7:13am



 rgio wrote:

Leave it to the Brits to turn a 3-minute explanation into a 16-minute 3rd-grade statistics class.  You gotta Luv em!


I think he's correct about the good news holistically, but the problem with these discussions is that the numerator doesn't change, and the math always looks backward.  If 80% of the people on the planet never know they have been infected, then logic is that you and I are 80% likely to have it and never know. 

If we do find out right now that we're positive, we move to the 20% and within that group, the rate of death is much higher than the overall rates (because we've removed the assumed healthy 80%).    The variability you see in the rates country by country comes primarily from testing access.  I know 9 people right now (in the US) who have been exposed, yet only 1 has tested positive.  2 were turned away from the testing site, each with over a week of symptoms.  3 are to date asymptomatic, and 3 likely experienced some very light symptoms (assuming one of those turned away was in fact positive).

It's definitely good news that the disease appears less fatal than current statistics, but if you test positive right now, you have joined a pool of people who have a fatality rate much higher than 1 or 2%.

The lesson:  Don't test positive.  To do that....avoid everyone.




 


     we're all a bit crackers over this


the info i'm looking at suggests i'm possibly n a higher risk category

including something  obscure that i wasn't aware of until a few days ago

without getting  technical, i've been sequenced by nebula (george church's company)

they've gathered tons of data and generate reports based on that data (including sarsm mers, etc.)

honestly it's overload and it is updated constantly (i think there's 167 reports now)

you can get lost in it (and because you have a gene for x obviously doesn't mean that it will express)

here's what  a few of them look like

https://portal.nebula.org/shared-report?reportId=a94b415e-e70e-4b65-bd33-621128bb01ce

and this is the blog on their site

what does this mean?

it means that i can take this info and a couple of bucks and go get a cup of coffee    

am i social distancing? you betcha

stay safe  





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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 7:12am



 haresfur wrote:


 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Very few here take me seriously.  Backscroll.  Only a troll and little else.  Or they do take me seriously and want me gone, either way ... it's the same.

Held in the same regard as Boris and Natasha, for the same reasons.

Oh look, a post was deleted by someone in the PNW.  It was right next to R's post.
 

Here's what you said (it's right down there 
) "Contrary to the proudly expressed opinion of most everyone here, I am taking this very seriously"

Nobody here said that. You're just making random stuff up like you think you're the president or something. It makes no sense why you would preface so many of your statements with things like that. I don't think you even realize you're doing it. 

==============

Anyway, I tossed some chum in the water for the conspiracy theorists among us. 21 million mobile phone accounts closed in China. A lot of them can be explained by the downturn in the economy, but how many represent a Covid death? 
 
Seems really popular to blame the Chinese of a major coverup, and it may well be that they have not released all their information for some reason or other. But consider how screwed the rest of the world would be if China hadn't gathered and shared so much medical and epidemiological information as they were figuring out what the heck was going on and what to do about it. 

 

My personal take is that some is as the article said, explainable as people go/went into isolation and didn't need a work phone. Some is probably due to a normal fluctuation in economic uncertainty, and some is deaths. Partly obscured by the government, but more of them probably just undercounted from the get-go. 21 million out of 1.3billion isn't really a huge number. But it's good for a momentary Hmm.
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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 6:36am



 miamizsun wrote:
i've been watching several sources during this event and i think this one is worthy...

campbell is a retired dr/educator and his perspective has been pretty thoughtful

looks like he's on to some favorable news  today

enjoy



 
Leave it to the Brits to turn a 3-minute explanation into a 16-minute 3rd-grade statistics class.  You gotta Luv em!

I think he's correct about the good news holistically, but the problem with these discussions is that the numerator doesn't change, and the math always looks backward.  If 80% of the people on the planet never know they have been infected, then logic is that you and I are 80% likely to have it and never know. 

If we do find out right now that we're positive, we move to the 20% and within that group, the rate of death is much higher than the overall rates (because we've removed the assumed healthy 80%).    The variability you see in the rates country by country comes primarily from testing access.  I know 9 people right now (in the US) who have been exposed, yet only 1 has tested positive.  2 were turned away from the testing site, each with over a week of symptoms.  3 are to date asymptomatic, and 3 likely experienced some very light symptoms (assuming one of those turned away was in fact positive).

It's definitely good news that the disease appears less fatal than current statistics, but if you test positive right now, you have joined a pool of people who have a fatality rate much higher than 1 or 2%.

The lesson:  Don't test positive.  To do that....avoid everyone.

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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 6:14am

 miamizsun wrote:
i've been watching several sources during this event and i think this one is worthy...

campbell is a retired dr/educator and his perspective has been pretty thoughtful

looks like he's on to some favorable news  today

enjoy
 
That was great J. And also sounds kind of plausible. The CFR will definitely be way higher than the most optimistic scenario he described at the end because of the time lag (as he acknowledges) but even so it would be down into almost normal territory (compared to flu etc.).

Latest curves from Germany are also encouraging that the lockdown is starting to have an effect.

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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 5:53am

i've been watching several sources during this event and i think this one is worthy...

campbell is a retired dr/educator and his perspective has been pretty thoughtful

looks like he's on to some favorable news  today

enjoy



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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 3:49am

 kurtster wrote:
 ... evil machinations of a nefarious foreign government ... 
 
what if all that were true, Kurtster? What difference does it make? Not a f-ing bean. 

The history of mankind is peppered with outbreaks of deadly diseases. It is what nature does. 

And now we have to fight the one we have been served, which is pretty mild in comparison to some of the others in history. Whether the pathogen was shot at us by the Chinese, Mr. Blofeld, an alien race from the Andromeda galaxy or a mightily-pissed-off bat in a food stall in Wuhan doesn't make any difference whatsoever.

Just drop it. Seriously. 

and while I am it.. We do take you as person seriously. That doesn't mean we have to buy into your mindset. We actually all have our own, thank-you very much.
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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 3:01am



 kurtster wrote:


I'll think about it and see if I can come up with something better than a few more died than China's government is telling us.

 
Because it is so much easier than talking about what I said

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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 1:58am

 kurtster wrote:
Ok, I'll try and play.  I do love a fun trip down the rabbit hole now and then as long as plausible conjecture is allowed with no harm intended if done by accident and not taken too seriously.  I'll think about it and see if I can come up with something better than a few more died than China's government is telling us.
 
How about we start in the middle and work backwards.  First, I haven't read the story, but I heard about it already somewhere else, so i'll run with the headline.  oh, I see that it goes back to Bloomberg on 3 / 23 so that is where i have already heard it when it first came out.

Having paid close attention since the first mention of bat soup, I was following the story, and heard about it going nutz in Wuhan.  All the sudden evacuations of US personnel.  Then the Chinese government went martial law lockdown.  Within two days or so, I heard horror stories about the government welding the doors closed on whole apartment buildings to make sure that no one got out to either infect or get infected.  No one was getting out any sooner than 14 days.  It just sucked if you were home when they welded the doors closed.  I never heard about how they were doing once things got more "under control".  And still haven't.  So you have to decide whether or not the stories about the apartment buildings is true or not.  Considering the government we're talking about, I see it as totally in keeping with their style.

Why would the government weld the doors closed, take such an extreme measure ?  Why because they knew exactly what was going on with the virus and how dangerous it really was.  It was their's after all.  They knew that they had no choice but to take the most extreme measures to make sure it did not get any further than Wuhan within China itself and make it go away real quick or risk losing power, in a bad way.  They kill mass quantities of people on a regular basis, so this type of action is not out of character either.  Rather it is predictable.  10,000 and a million ... the only difference to them is more zeroes.

So to bring this home, it would be most interesting to see the addresses of the accounts and see if they might be concentrated in a bunch of apartments in a certain city, in a certain country and bingo !  You got yer theory.

That's how you start one.

I can also tell you how it gets deconstructed.  The first part is those who take the democrat party line that China is just a warm and fuzzy competitor, that plays fair (Biden).  Bloomberg even said that Xi was not a dictator.  So when preconditioned to that the next thought is that nobody would do something like that to their people, certainly not the Chinese.  Now comes the switch in terms from China and government to Chinese, to make it about the people so that the government part is forgotten about.  That allows it then to become about hate and xenophobia.  Once that is established, well we all know where that goes, right.

Lastly there is the old truth is stranger than fiction thing.  That is the other way to deconstruct a CT.  Easy when the part that comes next is because fiction is made to be believable, is always left unmentioned or shushed should someone try and bring that part up.  It stays that it can't be true because it sounds inconceivable at first glance or hear.

Cherry on top ?  China's government can look the world in the eye and say that their virus numbers are accurate.  Everyone else just starved to death, a wholly separate issue and no one else's concern, an internal problem, mind your own business, go away.  Same as it always goes with their type of government

How did I do ?  All me, all by myself.  just working with the headline and the things I've mentioned above.  No alex jones or anybody else.

obtw, I just saw on Bloomberg how that China's government has gone all in on filling up their strategic oil reserve because the prices are the lowest since 1999. Wednesday, Dated Brent was going for $15.13 bbl.  And our very own Nancy Pelosi has blocked Trump from doing the same here for the USA as part of the CV19 relief bill.  So just whose side is she on anymore ?
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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 12:47am

 haresfur wrote:


 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Very few here take me seriously.  Backscroll.  Only a troll and little else.  Or they do take me seriously and want me gone, either way ... it's the same.

Held in the same regard as Boris and Natasha, for the same reasons.

Oh look, a post was deleted by someone in the PNW.  It was right next to R's post.
 

Here's what you said (it's right down there 
) "Contrary to the proudly expressed opinion of most everyone here, I am taking this very seriously"

Nobody here said that. You're just making random stuff up like you think you're the president or something. It makes no sense why you would preface so many of your statements with things like that. I don't think you even realize you're doing it. 

==============

Anyway, I tossed some chum in the water for the conspiracy theorists among us. 21 million mobile phone accounts closed in China. A lot of them can be explained by the downturn in the economy, but how many represent a Covid death? 
 
Seems really popular to blame the Chinese of a major coverup, and it may well be that they have not released all their information for some reason or other. But consider how screwed the rest of the world would be if China hadn't gathered and shared so much medical and epidemiological information as they were figuring out what the heck was going on and what to do about it. 

 
Ok, I'll try and play.  I do love a fun trip down the rabbit hole now and then as long as plausible conjecture is allowed with no harm intended if done by accident and not taken too seriously.  I'll think about it and see if I can come up with something better than a few more died than China's government is telling us.
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Posted: Apr 2, 2020 - 12:26am



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Very few here take me seriously.  Backscroll.  Only a troll and little else.  Or they do take me seriously and want me gone, either way ... it's the same.

Held in the same regard as Boris and Natasha, for the same reasons.

Oh look, a post was deleted by someone in the PNW.  It was right next to R's post.
 

Here's what you said (it's right down there 
) "Contrary to the proudly expressed opinion of most everyone here, I am taking this very seriously"

Nobody here said that. You're just making random stuff up like you think you're the president or something. It makes no sense why you would preface so many of your statements with things like that. I don't think you even realize you're doing it. 

==============

Anyway, I tossed some chum in the water for the conspiracy theorists among us. 21 million mobile phone accounts closed in China. A lot of them can be explained by the downturn in the economy, but how many represent a Covid death? 
 
Seems really popular to blame the Chinese of a major coverup, and it may well be that they have not released all their information for some reason or other. But consider how screwed the rest of the world would be if China hadn't gathered and shared so much medical and epidemiological information as they were figuring out what the heck was going on and what to do about it. 

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