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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 10:59pm

 kcar wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
 
 
I'm not accusing you of skullduggery. I just thought it was strange that the detailed table you provided didn't show a source for the information. I found it stranger that the site from which you apparently got the table didn't provide a source. Some person or persons is putting a lot of effort into formatting and pushing those numbers to the Web; I take that to mean that they're being paid well or they're committed volunteers. Either way, they should know that not providing a source or sources for such (apparently) science-driven data is a near-automatic disqualifier. No one will take you seriously if you don't cite sources. Perhaps it was just an oversight on the part of worldometers or whatever it's called but I didn't see citing of sources when I glimpsed at other tables there. 

You're probably better off using the Johns Hopkins data. I'm a bit biased because I was a grad student there. 

I have to believe that most of the statistical models for Covid-19 are going to show you the same rates of death and recovery. I don't think we can expect a surprising jump in survival rates, barring discovery of an effective medical treatment. I've heard infusions of plasma from survivors has shown some promise. The malaria drug treatment sounds risky. 

I really wish you'd stop the "nobody loves me" stuff. You're just as bad as everyone else when it comes to snarking and accusing people of being liberals with blinders on. You complain a lot more than you realize, I think.  

 
You just didn't look hard enough for their credentials or forgot how to.  I was told that a good education doesn't mean that you know all the answers, it means that you know how to find the answers.  You may want a partial refund on your education.

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ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 10:57pm



 kcar wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
 
Perhaps it was just an oversight on the part of worldometers or whatever it's called but I didn't see citing of sources when I glimpsed at other tables there. 

You're probably better off using the Johns Hopkins data. I'm a bit biased because I was a grad student there. 

 

"Worldometer's Covid-19 data is trusted and used by Johns Hopkins CSSE, Financial Times, The New York Times, Business Insider, and many others."

Source

They have a few too many Billy Graham ads and quotes from President Trump, but I haven't seen anyone saying they're making things up.
kcar

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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 10:57pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Very few here take me seriously.  Backscroll.  Only a troll and little else.  Or they do take me seriously and want me gone, either way ... it's the same.

Held in the same regard as Boris and Natasha, for the same reasons.

Oh look, a post was deleted by someone in the PNW.  It was right next to R's post.
 

Here's what you said (it's right down there 
) "Contrary to the proudly expressed opinion of most everyone here, I am taking this very seriously"

Nobody here said that. You're just making random stuff up like you think you're the president or something. It makes no sense why you would preface so many of your statements with things like that. I don't think you even realize you're doing it. 
 
"It makes no sense why you would preface so many of your statements with things like that. I don't think you even realize you're doing it. "


Exactly. Thank you. 

I don't mind your belief in Trump, Kurt. It's more that it seems completely unswerving even in the face of some of his very bad acts and displays of major incompetence (Covid-19 tops the list so far. God forbid something should top that).

I once accused you of being a paid shill for Trump and got seriously harshed on for it by others here. But in all seriousness and with all due respect, you might be able to find employment as an online spokesman/defender of Trump or his campaign. 

kcar

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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 10:50pm



 kurtster wrote:
 
I'm not accusing you of skullduggery. I just thought it was strange that the detailed table you provided didn't show a source for the information. I found it stranger that the site from which you apparently got the table didn't provide a source. Some person or persons is putting a lot of effort into formatting and pushing those numbers to the Web; I take that to mean that they're being paid well or they're committed volunteers. Either way, they should know that not providing a source or sources for such (apparently) science-driven data is a near-automatic disqualifier. No one will take you seriously if you don't cite sources. Perhaps it was just an oversight on the part of worldometers or whatever it's called but I didn't see citing of sources when I glimpsed at other tables there. 

You're probably better off using the Johns Hopkins data. I'm a bit biased because I was a grad student there. 

I have to believe that most of the statistical models for Covid-19 are going to show you the same rates of death and recovery. I don't think we can expect a surprising jump in survival rates, barring discovery of an effective medical treatment. I've heard infusions of plasma from survivors has shown some promise. The malaria drug treatment sounds risky. 

I really wish you'd stop the "nobody loves me" stuff. You're just as bad as everyone else when it comes to snarking and accusing people of being liberals with blinders on. You complain a lot more than you realize, I think.  



ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 10:47pm



 kurtster wrote:

Very few here take me seriously.  Backscroll.  Only a troll and little else.  Or they do take me seriously and want me gone, either way ... it's the same.

Held in the same regard as Boris and Natasha, for the same reasons.

Oh look, a post was deleted by someone in the PNW.  It was right next to R's post.
 

Here's what you said (it's right down there 
) "Contrary to the proudly expressed opinion of most everyone here, I am taking this very seriously"

Nobody here said that. You're just making random stuff up like you think you're the president or something. It makes no sense why you would preface so many of your statements with things like that. I don't think you even realize you're doing it. 

==============

Anyway, I tossed some chum in the water for the conspiracy theorists among us. 21 million mobile phone accounts closed in China. A lot of them can be explained by the downturn in the economy, but how many represent a Covid death? 
kurtster

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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 10:24pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
Contrary to the proudly expressed opinion of most everyone   Absolutely no one here, I am...
 
 
Very few here take me seriously.  Backscroll.  Only a troll and little else.  Or they do take me seriously and want me gone, either way ... it's the same.

Held in the same regard as Boris and Natasha, for the same reasons.

Oh look, a post was deleted by someone in the PNW.  It was right next to R's post.  It was the one I was referencing to in addressing just what percentages was all about without quoting it directly to keep things down to the dullest of roars in here as possible.
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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 10:19pm



 kurtster wrote:
Contrary to the proudly expressed opinion of most everyone   Absolutely no one here, I am...
 


ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 10:18pm

China’s Mobile Carriers Lose 21 Million Users as Virus Bites
By Shirley Zhao
China’s wireless carriers are reporting drops in users as the coronavirus crisis cuts business activity, with China Mobile Ltd., the world’s largest carrier, reporting its first net decline since starting to report monthly data in 2000.

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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 9:55pm

The human condition: warped by the realitys of COVID19.


https://abc7.com/officials-engineer-tried-to-smash-train-into-usns-mercy/6069395/

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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 9:49pm

 kcar wrote:
I understand that RPers don't always cite the source of graphs, charts, tables etc. That's understandable. 

But when I clicked on the link embedded in "US" I'm taken to 

https://www.worldometers.info/...

and it doesn't cite sources either. That's not a good sign at all.
 
It has been consistent in the information when compared to the other site that I also follow and is the source for the Total Recovered numbers that I post.  I do not rely on just one source.  And try to use good sources contrary to your constant accusations of otherwise.  Understandable for others but not for me.  I posted the link to this chart the first time i posted it a week or something ago.

A link to the other chart I use.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Contrary to the proudly expressed opinion of most everyone here, I am taking this very seriously. I am in the high risk group of over those 65 and those with lung issues currently have an 11.8% mortality rate.  Higher than those with compromised immune systems of which I also have.  My autologous stem cell transplant using my own stem cells had a 2% to 3% mortality rate.  If I used donated material, the mortality rate jumps to 20% to 25%.  That is a big deal.  Oh, and you only get one chance to use your own stem cells.  Second time requires a donor and a good match.  Fortunately, i do not have diabetes, because their mortality rate in my group is 33%.  So anyone who tells me that percentages do not matter, maybe not to you, but they do to me.

How often have you considered your own mortality rate on a regular basis, not just during some panic attack ?

I just got out of the hospital two weeks ago today, after a COPD incident with suspicion of CV19 for which I was tested.  I want to know what is going on and what I might face if I have to go in again.  I think I am taking this more seriously than most here, cuz of my recent incarceration, I already know what the hospitals are like, and it's only gone downhill since my last visit as supplies run thin and staff succumb.  I want to think positively and stay out of harm's way, because I already know what going in is like and will be.  Let me tell you, ain't no one having fun in there.  And you don't want to find out if I'm right or wrong on this one, the hardway.

Like I posted here and wrote back in the journal daze going through my shit, I will drain the oceans to keep the glass half full if that's what it takes.  You and no one else is going to stop me.

Total Recovered
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haresfur

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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 9:38pm



 kcar wrote:
I understand that RPers don't always cite the source of graphs, charts, tables etc. That's understandable. 

But when I clicked on the link embedded in "USA", I'm taken to 

https://www.worldometers.info/...

and it doesn't cite sources either. That's not a good sign at all.
 
The usa numbers appear pretty close to the ones from Johns Hopkins, which appears to be one of the best sources IMO. 

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

R_P

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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 9:37pm

 kcar wrote:
https://www.worldometers.info/...

and it doesn't cite sources either. That's not a good sign at all.
 
Last column of the table...
kcar

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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 9:29pm

I understand that RPers don't always cite the source of graphs, charts, tables etc. That's understandable. 

But when I clicked on the link embedded in "USA", I'm taken to 

https://www.worldometers.info/...

and it doesn't cite sources either. That's not a good sign at all.
kurtster

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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 9:19pm

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Is it really? If you use only those that reported their first case in January like we did, so we are sort of comparing apples to apples, you end up with 5 countries...Sweden, the UK, France, Spain, and Italy. The combined population for those 5 countries is roughly, using 2019 numbers, 250 million people. The US has 331 million...Is it really perspective or just that the percentages are skewed by the low population numbers in comparison to ours?
 
I don't know, make of it what you will.  We are still learning.  Here is the chart organized by date of first case, down to Iran in Feb.  

This chart is much more meaningful than the one richard keeps posting, imo.  With it you can spot trends that helps you sift through all of the fear mongering going on in the media.  For example, I have watched the number of critical cases, especially in our country.  It gives you a good idea of what is going on in ICU bed usage.

Here is the line for the USA from March 28.  Yeah, some big, sobering changes in a very short time.  One trend is that while nearly every category for the USA has doubled, the number of recovered has nearly tripled in the same time.  There are still more surviving than dying.  I find that to be a good thing to see and inspires hope, at least for me.




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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 8:37pm

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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 7:51pm

 kurtster wrote:
Perspective

I'm pretty sure you'll get some in a few weeks from now. Roughly the same time it took to take it seriously in the first place.
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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 7:44pm

please stay home...
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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 7:41pm



 Coaxial wrote:
 

Dude. He isn't interested in the several thousand dead here. Only the survivors.
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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 7:36pm

 kurtster wrote:
Perspective

with chart organized by deaths per one million of total population above 10.  World average is currently 6.1 per.
 
Is it really? If you use only those that reported their first case in January like we did, so we are sort of comparing apples to apples, you end up with 5 countries...Sweden, the UK, France, Spain, and Italy. The combined population for those 5 countries is roughly, using 2019 numbers, 250 million people. The US has 331 million...Is it really perspective or just that the percentages are skewed by the low population numbers in comparison to ours?
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Posted: Apr 1, 2020 - 6:44pm

Perspective

with chart organized by deaths per one million of total population above 10.  World average is currently 6.1 per.
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