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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 11:55am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Okay back on topic a little but the whole hand sanitizer thing is dangerous because alcohol doesn't usually work on viruses. As I understand it, flu virus isn't killed by Purell at all. Coronavirus just happens to have a membrane that the alcohol can get through...
 
But....soft......and.....pretty?
sirdroseph

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 11:54am

Randy is the best!{#Lol}

 

black321

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 11:48am



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


  

Best thing about the coronavirus is it might kill the crazy shake-hands-with-strangers custom those of us who are socially inept have always hated.
 

I've resorted to kicking people in the shin.
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 11:46am



 black321 wrote:


 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 

I was referring to "asymptomatic cases," which to some experts sounds like a worst case scenario, if someone walking around with the bug infects a hospital or nursing home... but this quote is a little less worrying:


At the same time, there’s also evidence of asymptomatic cases. And it’s possible that as we discover more of these cases, Covid-19 will seem more like seasonal flu than like SARS. That’s because infectious diseases typically look more severe when they’re first discovered since the people showing up in hospitals tend to be the sickest.

So "most people" may not be correct, that was the take I read last night but things change quickly.

Infrastructure is the problem. This brings on a pneumonia, which takes longer to defeat, so it could overwhelm our bed capacity. Yes there are drugstores on every corner that could do the testing but I just saw a headline that "a million" test kits are ready to ship. That sounds like not enough to crow about.
 
exactly.  we need more testing, to better control the virus from spreading, this one or the next. 
Possible silver lining in all this, maybe people will become more accustomed to proper public hygiene practices, hand washing, staying home when sick, and companies being ok with that...

 

Best thing about the coronavirus is it might kill the crazy shake-hands-with-strangers custom those of us who are socially inept have always hated.
black321

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 11:37am



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 

I was referring to "asymptomatic cases," which to some experts sounds like a worst case scenario, if someone walking around with the bug infects a hospital or nursing home... but this quote is a little less worrying:


At the same time, there’s also evidence of asymptomatic cases. And it’s possible that as we discover more of these cases, Covid-19 will seem more like seasonal flu than like SARS. That’s because infectious diseases typically look more severe when they’re first discovered since the people showing up in hospitals tend to be the sickest.

So "most people" may not be correct, that was the take I read last night but things change quickly.

Infrastructure is the problem. This brings on a pneumonia, which takes longer to defeat, so it could overwhelm our bed capacity. Yes there are drugstores on every corner that could do the testing but I just saw a headline that "a million" test kits are ready to ship. That sounds like not enough to crow about.
 
exactly.  we need more testing, to better control the virus from spreading, this one or the next. 
Possible silver lining in all this, maybe people will become more accustomed to proper public hygiene practices, hand washing, staying home when sick, and companies being ok with that...

ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 11:30am



 black321 wrote:


 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 black321 wrote:

The answer to limiting the spread seems simple enough: quarantine
 

Since most people carrying the bug show no outward signs or symptoms, ever, and those who do get ill take 2 weeks before they start sneezing droplets all over my desk, I don't see anything simple about a quarantine. Restrict all movement in and out of any public space until May. That might work.

Or wash your hands. Handwashing stations on every street corner. Put in 5¢, get a robot scrub with lysol and a mechanical manicure. Hold still now!

Maybe next time.
 

see ramp up in testing.
I haven't read anything that said the 'most people show no symptoms'...and i dont know the science/math, but imagine that the % of "carriers" with NO symptoms is pretty small. So first sign of any flu like symptom, get a test and if positive, remove yourself from the pool.  Not full proof, but should help, no? 

ps.,its not like we dont have the infrastructure to handle the volume...i think there are now more 24 hour emergency care outlets than walgreens and cvs', which by the way also could do testing. 
 

I was referring to "asymptomatic cases," which to some experts sounds like a worst case scenario, if someone walking around with the bug infects a hospital or nursing home... but this quote is a little less worrying:


At the same time, there’s also evidence of asymptomatic cases. And it’s possible that as we discover more of these cases, Covid-19 will seem more like seasonal flu than like SARS. That’s because infectious diseases typically look more severe when they’re first discovered since the people showing up in hospitals tend to be the sickest.

So "most people" may not be correct, that was the take I read last night but things change quickly.

Infrastructure is the problem. This brings on a pneumonia, which takes longer to defeat, so it could overwhelm our bed capacity. Yes there are drugstores on every corner that could do the testing but I just saw a headline that "a million" test kits are ready to ship. That sounds like not enough to crow about.
black321

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 10:58am



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 black321 wrote:

The answer to limiting the spread seems simple enough: quarantine
 

Since most people carrying the bug show no outward signs or symptoms, ever, and those who do get ill take 2 weeks before they start sneezing droplets all over my desk, I don't see anything simple about a quarantine. Restrict all movement in and out of any public space until May. That might work.

Or wash your hands. Handwashing stations on every street corner. Put in 5¢, get a robot scrub with lysol and a mechanical manicure. Hold still now!

Maybe next time.
 

see ramp up in testing.
I haven't read anything that said the 'most people show no symptoms'...and i dont know the science/math, but imagine that the % of "carriers" with NO symptoms is pretty small. So first sign of any flu like symptom, get a test and if positive, remove yourself from the pool.  Not full proof, but should help, no? 

ps.,its not like we dont have the infrastructure to handle the volume...i think there are now more 24 hour emergency care outlets than walgreens and cvs', which by the way also could do testing. 
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 10:49am

Okay back on topic a little but the whole hand sanitizer thing is dangerous because alcohol doesn't usually work on viruses. As I understand it, flu virus isn't killed by Purell at all. Coronavirus just happens to have a membrane that the alcohol can get through...
sirdroseph

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 10:43am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 black321 wrote:

The answer to limiting the spread seems simple enough: quarantine
 

Since most people carrying the bug show no outward signs or symptoms, ever, and those who do get ill take 2 weeks before they start sneezing droplets all over my desk, I don't see anything simple about a quarantine. Restrict all movement in and out of any public space until May. That might work.

Or wash your hands. Handwashing stations on every street corner. Put in 5¢, get a robot scrub with lysol and a mechanical manicure. Hold still now!

Maybe next time.
 
This is what my company has done all over the building including hand sanitizer and the Prell stuff which I have become addicted too and it has nothing to do with the virus, I just like how it makes my hands so soft and pretty.{#Daisy}
Proclivities

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 10:41am



 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 

Since most people carrying the bug show no outward signs or symptoms, ever, and those who do get ill take 2 weeks before they start sneezing droplets all over my desk, I don't see anything simple about a quarantine. Restrict all movement in and out of any public space until May. That might work.

Or wash your hands. Handwashing stations on every street corner. Put in 5¢, get a robot scrub with lysol robot-made vodka and a mechanical manicure. Hold still now!

Maybe next time.
 
FIFY

ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 10:39am



 black321 wrote:

The answer to limiting the spread seems simple enough: quarantine
 

Since most people carrying the bug show no outward signs or symptoms, ever, and those who do get ill take 2 weeks before they start sneezing droplets all over my desk, I don't see anything simple about a quarantine. Restrict all movement in and out of any public space until May. That might work.

Or wash your hands. Handwashing stations on every street corner. Put in 5¢, get a robot scrub with lysol and a mechanical manicure. Hold still now!

Maybe next time.
islander

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 10:29am



 black321 wrote:
Random thoughts, ala miamizsun style

The answer to limiting the spread seems simple enough: quarantine
How do you get there is a harder question.
Need to know who to quarantine,  and ensure incentives for those who are infected to self quarantine
Those without sick leave pay will be tempted to continue working, despite being sick
An effective system would need to find a way to reimburse these people for lost pay, something like unemployment insurance. 

The first step to both of these seems to be a  huge ramp up in testing. 
We need to understand who has it, with or without symptoms to quarantine, and also rely on the testing to confirm who should be reimbursed. 
 

Quasi related:  At my previous company, I  eliminated sick time. Not pooled with 'PTO', eliminated it completely. The policy was use you VACATION for vacation stuff, mental R&R, extra weekend days on the 4th, ect.  If you were sick, stay home and get better. Vacation days were fixed and had to be budgeted, sick days were not.  Neither of these impacted your paycheck.   My board of directors argued and nearly stopped me from doing it. But after we implemented it, the number of sick days dropped, everyone was healthier and happier. (new company reversed the policy and immediately saw an increase in sick time taken).   
black321

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 10:19am

Random thoughts, ala miamizsun style

The answer to limiting the spread seems simple enough: quarantine
How do you get there is a harder question.
Need to know who to quarantine,  and ensure incentives for those who are infected to self quarantine
Those without sick leave pay will be tempted to continue working, despite being sick
An effective system would need to find a way to reimburse these people for lost pay, something like unemployment insurance. 
The first step to both of these seems to be a  huge ramp up in testing. 
We need to understand who has it, with or without symptoms to quarantine, and also rely on the testing to confirm who should be reimbursed. 
Lazy8

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 7:48am

ScottFromWyoming wrote:
I don't like it when food is "hand-made" anyway. Can you please use kitchen tools? "Mechanized vodka" sounds cool anyway. "Robot-Made Vodka" is where it's at. I mean, for vodka. 

Tho I think "T-34" would be a great name for a vodka.
Isabeau

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 7:10am



 miamizsun wrote:
i've had similar thoughts

i wish i could tell you:

that the viruses and diseases didn't spread far and wide before most people were aware

that there won't be a next time for this kind of event

that people didn't fall victim to political and religious charlatans who claim to be saviors

that people still use emotion, intuition, instinct and divine beliefs and political prophecy to make decisions (something non-rational)

that folks used more reason and logic when making their best efforts to represent what is

or that everything is going to be alright for everyone (unfortunately for a small percentage of us it isn't)

what i can tell you:

that there are a lot of really smart people with the right tools building solutions/products as we speak

that they are working non-stop to get these products to those who need them asap

try to do the things that we know can minimize risk and transmission

My inner cynic needed to read this.
I'm not into hyping the virus; its dangerous enough. Its the disgust I feel over the gaps in our public logistics and the need to profit skim at every step ... just breaks my heart. 
*sigh* Be well too; especially traveling. 


Proclivities

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 7:02am



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 Proclivities wrote:


 Red_Dragon wrote:
 
That's also because it's not actually "hand-made" as they originally claimed.

 

I don't like it when food is "hand-made" anyway. Can you please use kitchen tools? "Mechanized vodka" sounds cool anyway. "Robot-Made Vodka" is where it's at. I mean, for vodka. 
 
"Robot-made" would be an excellent selling point, but only "hand-made" vodka could work as hand sanitizer - logically, right?

Coaxial

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 6:09am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 Proclivities wrote:


 Red_Dragon wrote:
 
That's also because it's not actually "hand-made" as they originally claimed.

 

I don't like it when food is "hand-made" anyway. Can you please use kitchen tools? "Mechanized vodka" sounds cool anyway. "Robot-Made Vodka" is where it's at. I mean, for vodka. 
 
Seriously, get your hands off my food every chance you get.{#War}
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 6:08am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


I don't like it when food is "hand-made" anyway. Can you please use kitchen tools? "Mechanized vodka" sounds cool anyway. "Robot-Made Vodka" is where it's at. I mean, for vodka. 
 
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ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 6:00am



 Proclivities wrote:


 Red_Dragon wrote:
 
That's also because it's not actually "hand-made" as they originally claimed.

 

I don't like it when food is "hand-made" anyway. Can you please use kitchen tools? "Mechanized vodka" sounds cool anyway. "Robot-Made Vodka" is where it's at. I mean, for vodka. 
miamizsun

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 5:25am

 Isabeau wrote:
 miamizsun wrote:
Figure out how to help seniors and the immunosuppressed stay healthy.
By JEREMY SAMUEL FAUST

MARCH 04, 202011:35 AM
 

Sorry, but the virus will wave over the continent long before all politicians, hospital and insurance lobbies figure it all 'out.'
Individual and State's rights have usurped many policies of the fed. The U.S. Congress can't even pass a reasonable immigration bill for the last 30 years. Every politician and mini-serfdom (State) has solid ideas of what should be done and compromise has become blasphemy.  Tests won't be evenly distributed, many still will refuse testing or quarantine due to unease about medical bills. No one is on the same page. Conclusion: We're on our own.
 

i've had similar thoughts

i wish i could tell you:

that the viruses and diseases didn't spread far and wide before most people were aware

that there won't be a next time for this kind of event

that people didn't fall victim to political and religious charlatans who claim to be saviors

that people still use emotion, intuition, instinct and divine beliefs and political prophecy to make decisions (something non-rational)

that folks used more reason and logic when making their best efforts to represent what is

or that everything is going to be alright for everyone (unfortunately for a small percentage of us it isn't)

what i can tell you:

that there are a lot of really smart people with the right tools building solutions/products as we speak

that they are working non-stop to get these products to those who need them asap

try to do the things that we know can minimize risk and transmission

be well
{#Hug}

 


 
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