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Mar 10, 2020 - 12:06pm
black321 wrote:
Supermarkets are now rationing many staples, and looking for new ways to service the demands of self-isolating consumers. Delivery sales, which were only about 4% of sales, are rising. There's going to be pain for a lot of borderline retailers, smaller regional chains...
I went to Costco yesterday to get some paper towels. Mind you... this was just getting some because we were running out. I was shocked, SHOCKED at the paranoid people buying toilet paper, paper towels and bottled water by carts (plural) full! They ran out of bottled water in the 5 minutes I was there... right after they opened! So explain to me: does corona virus cause massive amounts of diarrhea where you need to hoard toilet paper? Why the paper towel hoarding? And don't get me started on the bottled water. What would happen if there was truly a crises here? Really?
I wonder, why aren't the airports taking passenger temperatures yet?
It's not an effective way to identify the virus, as it takes 2 to 10 days for the first signs to appear post-infection. It also has the potential to create panic (the guy in front of me....) and falsely trap healthy people (I just ran from Terminal B...). What do you do with the people who are running hot in the middle of your airport? Even if you catch them outside....they've been in line next to all of the others.
These things are really hard to stop unless you isolate everyone for 2 weeks.
sounds reasonable. I also wonder if they are taking steps to clean those dirty security tray bins. And yes, i am flying soon.
I wonder, why aren't the airports taking passenger temperatures yet?
It's not an effective way to identify the virus, as it takes 2 to 10 days for the first signs to appear post-infection. It also has the potential to create panic (the guy in front of me....) and falsely trap healthy people (I just ran from Terminal B...). What do you do with the people who are running hot in the middle of your airport? Even if you catch them outside....they've been in line next to all of the others.
These things are really hard to stop unless you isolate everyone for 2 weeks.
Supermarkets are now rationing many staples, and looking for new ways to service the demands of self-isolating consumers. Delivery sales, which were only about 4% of sales, are rising. There's going to be pain for a lot of borderline retailers, smaller regional chains...
Yeah, several local stores are out of, or rationing, bleach. Which has the potential for, uh, 'unintended consequences'. Many of us out here in the 'country' have aerobic septic systems that use bleach to sterilize the effluent before spraying it on the yard. Without bleach, people could be forced to spray under-treated effluent on their yards: sure sounds like a public health hazard to me. It's a fairly low risk for now, the systems use a pretty small amount of bleach. But still, panic-buying of bleach (or anything for that matter) could cause problems at least as bad as the virus. c.
Supermarkets are now rationing many staples, and looking for new ways to service the demands of self-isolating consumers. Delivery sales, which were only about 4% of sales, are rising. There's going to be pain for a lot of borderline retailers, smaller regional chains...
It's pure cotton and gets carried in pants. Not washing your hands after handling bills is roughly equivalent to fondling raspy's undershorts then going for a sandwich.
Okay, not the image I wanted in my head this morning.
But yeah, didn't some lab swab a bunch of bills from circulation, and found all manner of bad stuff on them? I'm pretty sure hand-washing after handling money is already a required food-safety procedure (in the US anyway). c.
It's pure cotton and gets carried in pants. Not washing your hands after handling bills is roughly equivalent to fondling raspy's undershorts then going for a sandwich.
Which right now we stand at fiddling while everything burns
And yes, Trump actually (re)tweeted this.
I know that is what made me think of it. And I am not advocating for great government action. Quite the contrary, I was just making a contrast point of extremes. Our current leader can be a savant or an idiot, viruses are unconcerned either way and it is up to us at the ground level to take care of ourselves. Government and money are not going to save us especially if we keep wasting our time and energy dwelling on political solutions or criticisms. Wash your hands, avoid public contact as much as you can and take care of the logistics of your elderly so they can ride it out in isolation. We must do our part to put as little strain on the medical systems as possible. That's it.
From Italy. Reputable sources (friends) working in Lombardy hospitals say me that the situation is critical. Remember that (at least in Italy) ~10% of symptomatic people requires hospitalization _to survive_ and a significant percentage of those _require_ ICU to survive. To be clear: they are not able to breathe autonomously: no hospital -> death. AND they need to stay in hospital for 4 to 8 _weeks_. This disease is not the Black Death, but definitely it's not a _simple flu_. The point is to delay propagation to avoid to fill hospitals (and ICUs). YMMV, may be we're just very unlucky (but I don't think so).
haresfur wrote:
Steely_D wrote:
cc_rider wrote:
To the larger point, there is NO country with the medical resources to handle the number of COVID-19 cases expected.
The reality is that there arenât that many COVID cases that need to be seen. Fatality is related to old age, significant underlying illness, and a high d-dimer (according to a recent Lancet article). So all the other, younger, healthier folks who come down with the illness donât need to go to the ED or any other medical facility. They need to drink fluids, take Tylenol, stay away from others, and get over it.
THERE IS NO NEED FOR GOING TO THE ED OR CLINIC; it canât be treated.
So all this frenetic hype about the illness has been framed completely wrong: OMG we canât get tested and I want it! The media should be thinking clearly and saying: treat it like influenza - it hurts the old and frail, and is transmissible so donât go out in public places if you donât want it/donât want to pass it around. And really, thatâs all. Insinuating that everyone - EVERYONE - would benefit if the government would just allow them to be tested is creating an unnecessary strain on the medical system.
Unnecessary, and itâs obstructing real health care for those who need it - as well as teaching people the wrong things about what medical care they need. Teaching them to wrongly âneedâ the system is just gonna sink the boat for everyone.
Hmm, so you don't need to treat secondary infections or to make sure that severely ill people are getting the right fever-reducing meds, cough inhibitors, and nutrition to give them the best chance of surviving?
If you look at the Johns-Hopkins website data, Italy has a death rate of about 5% while most other countries are around 1-2%. About 35% of the cases in intensive care in Italy are under 65, which is pretty high, although it doesn't necessarily mean they are the ones dying. I would guess they wouldn't be in intensive care in an overloaded system unless they were life-threatening cases.
I think there is still a lot to be learned about this disease.
Hoping for the best for your friends and your country.
From Italy. Reputable sources (friends) working in Lombardy hospitals say me that the situation is critical. Remember that (at least in Italy) ~10% of symptomatic people requires hospitalization _to survive_ and a significant percentage of those _require_ ICU to survive. To be clear: they are not able to breathe autonomously: no hospital -> death. AND they need to stay in hospital for 4 to 8 _weeks_. This disease is not the Black Death, but definitely it's not a _simple flu_. The point is to delay propagation to avoid to fill hospitals (and ICUs). YMMV, may be we're just very unlucky (but I don't think so).
haresfur wrote:
Steely_D wrote:
cc_rider wrote:
To the larger point, there is NO country with the medical resources to handle the number of COVID-19 cases expected.
The reality is that there arenât that many COVID cases that need to be seen. Fatality is related to old age, significant underlying illness, and a high d-dimer (according to a recent Lancet article). So all the other, younger, healthier folks who come down with the illness donât need to go to the ED or any other medical facility. They need to drink fluids, take Tylenol, stay away from others, and get over it.
THERE IS NO NEED FOR GOING TO THE ED OR CLINIC; it canât be treated.
So all this frenetic hype about the illness has been framed completely wrong: OMG we canât get tested and I want it! The media should be thinking clearly and saying: treat it like influenza - it hurts the old and frail, and is transmissible so donât go out in public places if you donât want it/donât want to pass it around. And really, thatâs all. Insinuating that everyone - EVERYONE - would benefit if the government would just allow them to be tested is creating an unnecessary strain on the medical system.
Unnecessary, and itâs obstructing real health care for those who need it - as well as teaching people the wrong things about what medical care they need. Teaching them to wrongly âneedâ the system is just gonna sink the boat for everyone.
Hmm, so you don't need to treat secondary infections or to make sure that severely ill people are getting the right fever-reducing meds, cough inhibitors, and nutrition to give them the best chance of surviving?
If you look at the Johns-Hopkins website data, Italy has a death rate of about 5% while most other countries are around 1-2%. About 35% of the cases in intensive care in Italy are under 65, which is pretty high, although it doesn't necessarily mean they are the ones dying. I would guess they wouldn't be in intensive care in an overloaded system unless they were life-threatening cases.
I think there is still a lot to be learned about this disease.
To the larger point, there is NO country with the medical resources to handle the number of COVID-19 cases expected.
The reality is that there arenât that many COVID cases that need to be seen. Fatality is related to old age, significant underlying illness, and a high d-dimer (according to a recent Lancet article). So all the other, younger, healthier folks who come down with the illness donât need to go to the ED or any other medical facility. They need to drink fluids, take Tylenol, stay away from others, and get over it.
THERE IS NO NEED FOR GOING TO THE ED OR CLINIC; it canât be treated.
So all this frenetic hype about the illness has been framed completely wrong: OMG we canât get tested and I want it! The media should be thinking clearly and saying: treat it like influenza - it hurts the old and frail, and is transmissible so donât go out in public places if you donât want it/donât want to pass it around. And really, thatâs all. Insinuating that everyone - EVERYONE - would benefit if the government would just allow them to be tested is creating an unnecessary strain on the medical system.
Unnecessary, and itâs obstructing real health care for those who need it - as well as teaching people the wrong things about what medical care they need. Teaching them to wrongly âneedâ the system is just gonna sink the boat for everyone.
Hmm, so you don't need to treat secondary infections or to make sure that severely ill people are getting the right fever-reducing meds, cough inhibitors, and nutrition to give them the best chance of surviving?
If you look at the Johns-Hopkins website data, Italy has a death rate of about 5% while most other countries are around 1-2%. About 35% of the cases in intensive care in Italy are under 65, which is pretty high, although it doesn't necessarily mean they are the ones dying. I would guess they wouldn't be in intensive care in an overloaded system unless they were life-threatening cases.
I think there is still a lot to be learned about this disease.
To the larger point, there is NO country with the medical resources to handle the number of COVID-19 cases expected.
The reality is that there arenât that many COVID cases that need to be seen. Fatality is related to old age, significant underlying illness, and a high d-dimer (according to a recent Lancet article). So all the other, younger, healthier folks who come down with the illness donât need to go to the ED or any other medical facility. They need to drink fluids, take Tylenol, stay away from others, and get over it.
THERE IS NO NEED FOR GOING TO THE ED OR CLINIC; it canât be treated.
So all this frenetic hype about the illness has been framed completely wrong: OMG we canât get tested and I want it! The media should be thinking clearly and saying: treat it like influenza - it hurts the old and frail, and is transmissible so donât go out in public places if you donât want it/donât want to pass it around. And really, thatâs all. Insinuating that everyone - EVERYONE - would benefit if the government would just allow them to be tested is creating an unnecessary strain on the medical system.
Unnecessary, and itâs obstructing real health care for those who need it - as well as teaching people the wrong things about what medical care they need. Teaching them to wrongly âneedâ the system is just gonna sink the boat for everyone.
