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Posted: Mar 10, 2020 - 12:16pm

 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:
What would happen if there was truly a crises here?
 
So no current crisis?
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Posted: Mar 10, 2020 - 12:06pm



 black321 wrote:
Supermarkets are now rationing many staples, and looking for new ways to service the demands of self-isolating consumers. Delivery sales, which were only about 4% of sales, are rising. 
There's going to be pain for a lot of borderline retailers, smaller regional chains...
 

I went to Costco yesterday to get some paper towels. Mind you... this was just getting some because we were running out.
I was shocked, SHOCKED at the paranoid people buying toilet paper, paper towels and bottled water by carts (plural) full!
They ran out of bottled water in the 5 minutes I was there... right after they opened!
So explain to me: does corona virus cause massive amounts of diarrhea where you need to hoard toilet paper? Why the paper towel hoarding?
And don't get me started on the bottled water.
What would happen if there was truly a crises here?
Really?
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Posted: Mar 10, 2020 - 11:16am

Governor of New York has activated the National Guard
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Posted: Mar 10, 2020 - 11:10am



 rgio wrote:


 black321 wrote:
I wonder, why aren't the airports taking passenger temperatures yet? 
 
It's not an effective way to identify the virus, as it takes 2 to 10 days for the first signs to appear post-infection.  It also has the potential to create panic (the guy in front of me....) and falsely trap healthy people (I just ran from Terminal B...).    What do you do with the people who are running hot in the middle of your airport?  Even if you catch them outside....they've been in line next to all of the others.

These things are really hard to stop unless you isolate everyone for 2 weeks.
 
sounds reasonable.
I also wonder if they are taking steps to clean those dirty security tray bins.  
And yes, i am flying soon. 

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Posted: Mar 10, 2020 - 10:43am



 black321 wrote:
I wonder, why aren't the airports taking passenger temperatures yet? 
 
It's not an effective way to identify the virus, as it takes 2 to 10 days for the first signs to appear post-infection.  It also has the potential to create panic (the guy in front of me....) and falsely trap healthy people (I just ran from Terminal B...).    What do you do with the people who are running hot in the middle of your airport?  Even if you catch them outside....they've been in line next to all of the others.

These things are really hard to stop unless you isolate everyone for 2 weeks.
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Posted: Mar 10, 2020 - 10:35am

I wonder, why aren't the airports taking passenger temperatures yet? 
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Posted: Mar 10, 2020 - 10:31am



 ScottN wrote:

I'm in O'Hare changing planes. Nobody is traveling...the place is eerily quiet.  No need to stand in any lines.
Big, big difference over my O'Hare transit in Feb.
 

Wow. O'Hare is an airport I've been through many times, and it was always packed.
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Posted: Mar 10, 2020 - 10:29am

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I am flying to Massachusetts (via Providence) on Tuesday.
I fly frequently but have not since early Feb.  It will be interesting to experience.
Oh boy.
 
I'm in O'Hare changing planes. Nobody is traveling...the place is eerily quiet.  No need to stand in any lines.
Big, big difference over my O'Hare transit in Feb.
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Posted: Mar 10, 2020 - 9:23am



 black321 wrote:
Supermarkets are now rationing many staples, and looking for new ways to service the demands of self-isolating consumers. Delivery sales, which were only about 4% of sales, are rising. 
There's going to be pain for a lot of borderline retailers, smaller regional chains...
 
Yeah, several local stores are out of, or rationing, bleach. Which has the potential for, uh, 'unintended consequences'. Many of us out here in the 'country' have aerobic septic systems that use bleach to sterilize the effluent before spraying it on the yard. Without bleach, people could be forced to spray under-treated effluent on their yards: sure sounds like a public health hazard to me. It's a fairly low risk for now, the systems use a pretty small amount of bleach. But still, panic-buying of bleach (or anything for that matter) could cause problems at least as bad as the virus.
c.

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Posted: Mar 10, 2020 - 9:10am

Spotty sick leave policies limit options for avoiding virus
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Posted: Mar 10, 2020 - 9:07am

Supermarkets are now rationing many staples, and looking for new ways to service the demands of self-isolating consumers. Delivery sales, which were only about 4% of sales, are rising. 
There's going to be pain for a lot of borderline retailers, smaller regional chains...
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Posted: Mar 10, 2020 - 7:39am



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 Red_Dragon wrote:
 

It's pure cotton and gets carried in pants. Not washing your hands after handling bills is roughly equivalent to fondling raspy's undershorts then going for a sandwich.
 Okay, not the image I wanted in my head this morning.

But yeah, didn't some lab swab a bunch of bills from circulation, and found all manner of bad stuff on them? I'm pretty sure hand-washing after handling money is already a required food-safety procedure (in the US anyway).
c.


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Posted: Mar 10, 2020 - 7:09am



 Red_Dragon wrote:
 

It's pure cotton and gets carried in pants. Not washing your hands after handling bills is roughly equivalent to fondling raspy's undershorts then going for a sandwich.
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Posted: Mar 10, 2020 - 4:18am

Can Contaminated Money Spread the New Coronavirus?
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Posted: Mar 10, 2020 - 2:30am



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

Which right now we stand at fiddling while everything burns 
 
And yes, Trump actually (re)tweeted this.
 

I know that is what made me think of it. And I am not advocating for great government  action.  Quite the contrary, I was just making a contrast point of extremes.    Our current leader can be a savant or an idiot, viruses are unconcerned either way and it is up to us at the ground level to take care of ourselves.  Government and money are not going to save us especially if we keep wasting our time and energy dwelling on political solutions or criticisms.  Wash your hands, avoid public contact as much as you can and take care of the logistics of your elderly so they can ride it out in isolation.  We must do our part to put as little strain on the medical systems as possible.  That's it.
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Posted: Mar 10, 2020 - 1:30am



 gtufano wrote:
From Italy. Reputable sources (friends) working in Lombardy hospitals say me that the situation is critical. Remember that (at least in Italy) ~10% of symptomatic people requires hospitalization _to survive_ and a significant percentage of those _require_ ICU to survive. To be clear: they are not able to breathe autonomously: no hospital -> death. AND they need to stay in hospital for 4 to 8 _weeks_. This disease is not the Black Death, but definitely it's not a _simple flu_. The point is to delay propagation to avoid to fill hospitals (and ICUs). YMMV, may be we're just very unlucky (but I don't think so).

 haresfur wrote:


 Steely_D wrote:


 cc_rider wrote:




To the larger point, there is NO country with the medical resources to handle the number of COVID-19 cases expected. 

 

The reality is that there aren’t that many COVID cases that need to be seen. Fatality is related to old age, significant underlying illness, and a high d-dimer (according to a recent Lancet article). So all the other, younger, healthier folks who come down with the illness don’t need to go to the ED or any other medical facility. They need to drink fluids, take Tylenol, stay away from others, and get over it.

THERE IS NO NEED FOR GOING TO THE ED OR CLINIC; it can’t be treated.

So all this frenetic hype about the illness has been framed completely wrong: OMG we can’t get tested and I want it! The media should be thinking clearly and saying: treat it like influenza - it hurts the old and frail, and is transmissible so don’t go out in public places if you don’t want it/don’t want to pass it around. And really, that’s all. Insinuating that everyone - EVERYONE - would benefit if the government would just allow them to be tested is creating an unnecessary strain on the medical system.

Unnecessary, and it’s obstructing real health care for those who need it - as well as teaching people the wrong things about what medical care they need. Teaching them to wrongly “need” the system is just gonna sink the boat for everyone.
 
Hmm, so you don't need to treat secondary infections or to make sure that severely ill people are getting the right fever-reducing meds, cough inhibitors, and nutrition to give them the best chance of surviving?

If you look at the Johns-Hopkins website data, Italy has a death rate of about 5% while most other countries are around 1-2%. About 35% of the cases in intensive care in Italy are under 65, which is pretty high, although it doesn't necessarily mean they are the ones dying. I would guess they wouldn't be in intensive care in an overloaded system unless they were life-threatening cases.

I think there is still a lot to be learned about this disease.

 


 

Hoping for the best for your friends and your country.
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Posted: Mar 10, 2020 - 1:06am

From Italy. Reputable sources (friends) working in Lombardy hospitals say me that the situation is critical. Remember that (at least in Italy) ~10% of symptomatic people requires hospitalization _to survive_ and a significant percentage of those _require_ ICU to survive. To be clear: they are not able to breathe autonomously: no hospital -> death. AND they need to stay in hospital for 4 to 8 _weeks_. This disease is not the Black Death, but definitely it's not a _simple flu_. The point is to delay propagation to avoid to fill hospitals (and ICUs). YMMV, may be we're just very unlucky (but I don't think so).

 haresfur wrote:


 Steely_D wrote:


 cc_rider wrote:




To the larger point, there is NO country with the medical resources to handle the number of COVID-19 cases expected. 

 

The reality is that there aren’t that many COVID cases that need to be seen. Fatality is related to old age, significant underlying illness, and a high d-dimer (according to a recent Lancet article). So all the other, younger, healthier folks who come down with the illness don’t need to go to the ED or any other medical facility. They need to drink fluids, take Tylenol, stay away from others, and get over it.

THERE IS NO NEED FOR GOING TO THE ED OR CLINIC; it can’t be treated.

So all this frenetic hype about the illness has been framed completely wrong: OMG we can’t get tested and I want it! The media should be thinking clearly and saying: treat it like influenza - it hurts the old and frail, and is transmissible so don’t go out in public places if you don’t want it/don’t want to pass it around. And really, that’s all. Insinuating that everyone - EVERYONE - would benefit if the government would just allow them to be tested is creating an unnecessary strain on the medical system.

Unnecessary, and it’s obstructing real health care for those who need it - as well as teaching people the wrong things about what medical care they need. Teaching them to wrongly “need” the system is just gonna sink the boat for everyone.
 
Hmm, so you don't need to treat secondary infections or to make sure that severely ill people are getting the right fever-reducing meds, cough inhibitors, and nutrition to give them the best chance of surviving?

If you look at the Johns-Hopkins website data, Italy has a death rate of about 5% while most other countries are around 1-2%. About 35% of the cases in intensive care in Italy are under 65, which is pretty high, although it doesn't necessarily mean they are the ones dying. I would guess they wouldn't be in intensive care in an overloaded system unless they were life-threatening cases.

I think there is still a lot to be learned about this disease.

 


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Posted: Mar 10, 2020 - 12:13am



 Steely_D wrote:


 cc_rider wrote:




To the larger point, there is NO country with the medical resources to handle the number of COVID-19 cases expected. 

 

The reality is that there aren’t that many COVID cases that need to be seen. Fatality is related to old age, significant underlying illness, and a high d-dimer (according to a recent Lancet article). So all the other, younger, healthier folks who come down with the illness don’t need to go to the ED or any other medical facility. They need to drink fluids, take Tylenol, stay away from others, and get over it.

THERE IS NO NEED FOR GOING TO THE ED OR CLINIC; it can’t be treated.

So all this frenetic hype about the illness has been framed completely wrong: OMG we can’t get tested and I want it! The media should be thinking clearly and saying: treat it like influenza - it hurts the old and frail, and is transmissible so don’t go out in public places if you don’t want it/don’t want to pass it around. And really, that’s all. Insinuating that everyone - EVERYONE - would benefit if the government would just allow them to be tested is creating an unnecessary strain on the medical system.

Unnecessary, and it’s obstructing real health care for those who need it - as well as teaching people the wrong things about what medical care they need. Teaching them to wrongly “need” the system is just gonna sink the boat for everyone.
 
Hmm, so you don't need to treat secondary infections or to make sure that severely ill people are getting the right fever-reducing meds, cough inhibitors, and nutrition to give them the best chance of surviving?

If you look at the Johns-Hopkins website data, Italy has a death rate of about 5% while most other countries are around 1-2%. About 35% of the cases in intensive care in Italy are under 65, which is pretty high, although it doesn't necessarily mean they are the ones dying. I would guess they wouldn't be in intensive care in an overloaded system unless they were life-threatening cases.

I think there is still a lot to be learned about this disease.

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Posted: Mar 9, 2020 - 11:44pm



 cc_rider wrote:




To the larger point, there is NO country with the medical resources to handle the number of COVID-19 cases expected. 

 

The reality is that there aren’t that many COVID cases that need to be seen. Fatality is related to old age, significant underlying illness, and a high d-dimer (according to a recent Lancet article). So all the other, younger, healthier folks who come down with the illness don’t need to go to the ED or any other medical facility. They need to drink fluids, take Tylenol, stay away from others, and get over it.

THERE IS NO NEED FOR GOING TO THE ED OR CLINIC; it can’t be treated.

So all this frenetic hype about the illness has been framed completely wrong: OMG we can’t get tested and I want it! The media should be thinking clearly and saying: treat it like influenza - it hurts the old and frail, and is transmissible so don’t go out in public places if you don’t want it/don’t want to pass it around. And really, that’s all. Insinuating that everyone - EVERYONE - would benefit if the government would just allow them to be tested is creating an unnecessary strain on the medical system.

Unnecessary, and it’s obstructing real health care for those who need it - as well as teaching people the wrong things about what medical care they need. Teaching them to wrongly “need” the system is just gonna sink the boat for everyone.
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Posted: Mar 9, 2020 - 6:27pm

...expect a circus.
Quarantined at home now, U.S. scientist describes his visit to China’s hot zone


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