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Posted: Mar 4, 2020 - 3:26pm

Amid Coronavirus Outbreak, Trump Vows to 'See If We Can Help' the Uninsured as He Attempts to Rip Insurance From 20 Million
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Posted: Mar 4, 2020 - 3:05pm

i feel for anyone suffering but especially the older folks (like in the washington nursing home)

florida has quite a few "retirees" too 

this bug seems to hit them hard


two articles with solid points:
Bill Gates Is Really Worried About the Coronavirus. Here’s Why.
The debate is splitting into two broad camps: Call them the “growthers” and the “base-raters.”

By  March 3, 2020, 8:00 AM EST


and 
COVID-19 Isn’t As Deadly As We Think
Don’t hoard masks and food. Figure out how to help seniors and the immunosuppressed stay healthy.
By JEREMY SAMUEL FAUST

MARCH 04, 202011:35 AM
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Posted: Mar 4, 2020 - 2:47pm

Randomly reminded when I came down with bird flu when I was on a trip and had to fly home feeling really crook. I was sitting near the front of the plane and they asked the person next to me to move back to help balance the weight. He refused then had to listen to me hack and cough for 3 hours.
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Posted: Mar 4, 2020 - 2:40pm



 Isabeau wrote:


 haresfur wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

What I meant was this:  "Everything we do before a pandemic will seem alarmist. Everything we do after will seem inadequate" -M. Leavitt, DHHS
 
Truth.

In general governments would be better off getting the bad news out as quickly as possible and trying to be clear on what they don't know. Hard for a bunch of people who like to think they are in control. 

 
And let the masses know how incompetent they are in 'protecting' them? Despite BILLIONS spent on obsolete planes, tanks and weaponry? Nah, they'll go down in lava flames before admitting they are NOT in control. We're on our own.

(pls PM me if you happen to know a connection to obtaining 3 years' worth of antibiotics. We pay cash 
)
 
We are pretty nanny-state here. The government is trying to crack down on doctors writing scripts for 2 rounds of antibiotics so you don't have to go back if it turns out that you need more. The rationale is apparently that people get both filled and then take antibiotics when they get a cold later. As opposed to wanting to have some for when you go on holiday to Bali or wherever.

But really the trouble with antibiotics, aside from building up resistant bugs, is that there you need to know which ones are effective against different things.

I think your best bet is to research which ones are available for tropical fish in the pet stores. Or maybe farm supply stores.

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Posted: Mar 4, 2020 - 1:46am



 Isabeau wrote:


 haresfur wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

What I meant was this:  "Everything we do before a pandemic will seem alarmist. Everything we do after will seem inadequate" -M. Leavitt, DHHS
 
Truth.

In general governments would be better off getting the bad news out as quickly as possible and trying to be clear on what they don't know. Hard for a bunch of people who like to think they are in control. 

 
And let the masses know how incompetent they are in 'protecting' them? Despite BILLIONS spent on obsolete planes, tanks and weaponry? Nah, they'll go down in lava flames before admitting they are NOT in control. We're on our own.

(pls PM me if you happen to know a connection to obtaining 3 years' worth of antibiotics. We pay cash 
)
 

Now you get it.
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Posted: Mar 3, 2020 - 6:23pm

While cutting rates can bolster confidence and help to keep borrowing cheap, it cannot prevent disease from spreading or help companies deal with delayed orders or sick workers.

“We do recognize that a rate cut cannot reduce the rate of infection, it won’t fix a broken supply chain,” Mr. Powell said. “We get that — we don’t think we have all the answers.”

If anything, containing the longer-term economic fallout may necessitate preventive actions that will weigh on near-term economic growth, like restricting air travel, closing movie theaters, shuttering factories and quarantining workers. China, the initial source of the outbreak, has engaged in those types of restrictions, hurting its economy temporarily but enabling it to slow the virus’s spread.

Anthony S. Fauci, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, called China’s measures “rather draconian” on Tuesday at a news conference but acknowledged that they had slowed the number of virus cases. “They have taken social distancing to its farthest extreme,” he said.

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Posted: Mar 3, 2020 - 5:32pm

Infectious Disease Doctor: What Does (And Doesn't) Scare Me About The Coronavirus
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Posted: Mar 3, 2020 - 5:26pm

Emily Deans MD @evolutionarypsy
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Posted: Mar 3, 2020 - 12:27pm



 haresfur wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

What I meant was this:  "Everything we do before a pandemic will seem alarmist. Everything we do after will seem inadequate" -M. Leavitt, DHHS
 
Truth.

In general governments would be better off getting the bad news out as quickly as possible and trying to be clear on what they don't know. Hard for a bunch of people who like to think they are in control. 

 
And let the masses know how incompetent they are in 'protecting' them? Despite BILLIONS spent on obsolete planes, tanks and weaponry? Nah, they'll go down in lava flames before admitting they are NOT in control. We're on our own.

(pls PM me if you happen to know a connection to obtaining 3 years' worth of antibiotics. We pay cash )
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Posted: Mar 3, 2020 - 12:26pm



 Isabeau wrote:
San Antonio, TX:  Officials became aware of a woman from Wuhan, one of those quarantined on the Cruise and evacuated to one of six Military Installations in the U.S., Lackland A.F.B. tested positive once, then twice negative. She was released from quarantine before her fourth test came up positive. She stayed at a hotel near the airport and visited a mall within blocks. Ate at the food court and went back to her hotel. The county has been declared a local state of disaster and public health emergency. Growing distrust of how this is being handled, a rushed evac of the 12 that have tested positive at Lackland is rallying now.

I knew the shite would get real, just didn't think it'd be this soon.  Shut downs and supply chains are still scarier than the virus itself.

 
yeah, kind of like microorganism growth, the panic grows exponentially

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Posted: Mar 3, 2020 - 12:20pm



 black321 wrote:


 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

I think the best system to handle potential pandemics like these is the one that doesn't exist.
 

I'd like to see how long it would take the US to get a 1000-bed hospital built. I'm guessing 3 years. This one went up in something like 10 days.
 

 
take 3 years just to negotiate a deal with the unions construction companies.


 
well, not if you throw money at the problem
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Posted: Mar 3, 2020 - 12:17pm



 sirdroseph wrote:

What I meant was this:  "Everything we do before a pandemic will seem alarmist. Everything we do after will seem inadequate" -M. Leavitt, DHHS
 
Truth.

In general governments would be better off getting the bad news out as quickly as possible and trying to be clear on what they don't know. Hard for a bunch of people who like to think they are in control. 

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Posted: Mar 3, 2020 - 12:17pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

I think the best system to handle potential pandemics like these is the one that doesn't exist.
 

I'd like to see how long it would take the US to get a 1000-bed hospital built. I'm guessing 3 years. This one went up in something like 10 days.
 

 
take 3 years just to negotiate a deal with the unions.

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Posted: Mar 3, 2020 - 12:07pm

San Antonio, TX:  Officials became aware of a woman from Wuhan, one of those quarantined on the Cruise and evacuated to one of six Military Installations in the U.S., Lackland A.F.B. tested positive once, then twice negative. She was released from quarantine before her fourth test came up positive. She stayed at a hotel near the airport and visited a mall within blocks. Ate at the food court and went back to her hotel. The county has been declared a local state of disaster and public health emergency. Growing distrust of how this is being handled, a rushed evac of the 12 that have tested positive at Lackland is rallying now.

I knew the shite would get real, just didn't think it'd be this soon.  Shut downs and supply chains are still scarier than the virus itself.

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Posted: Mar 3, 2020 - 12:06pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

I think the best system to handle potential pandemics like these is the one that doesn't exist.
 

I'd like to see how long it would take the US to get a 1000-bed hospital built. I'm guessing 3 years. This one went up in something like 10 days.
 

 
What I meant was this:  "Everything we do before a pandemic will seem alarmist. Everything we do after will seem inadequate" -M. Leavitt, DHHS
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Posted: Mar 3, 2020 - 11:54am



 sirdroseph wrote:

I think the best system to handle potential pandemics like these is the one that doesn't exist.
 

I'd like to see how long it would take the US to get a 1000-bed hospital built. I'm guessing 3 years. This one went up in something like 10 days.
 

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Posted: Mar 3, 2020 - 11:38am

 cc_rider wrote:


 buddy wrote:


 Red_Dragon wrote:
 
Thanks for this, Dave.  Very timely & necessary to get more information & perspective.

 
NYT is reporting that exact scenario in China. Cancer patients can't get chemo, for example. Non-coronavirus patients have already died waiting for treatment. Blood supplies are critically low, due to demand and to fears of cross-contamination. There's a suggestion there could be as many, or more, non-virus deaths than virus deaths, due to lack of treatment.

We like to imagine our system is superior, but right now I have little confidence. If coronavirus patients overwhelm the resources, how do you decide who gets treatment? If coronavirus-control takes precedence (to reduce its spread), other patients will die from all the other treatable things people can die from. If you treat those patients, the coronavirus could continue to spread. Even at less than 2% mortality rate, that's hundreds of thousands of deaths.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I think tonight's a good time to open a good single malt...
c.

 
I think the best system to handle potential pandemics like these is the one that doesn't exist.
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Posted: Mar 3, 2020 - 11:27am



 buddy wrote:


 Red_Dragon wrote:
 
Thanks for this, Dave.  Very timely & necessary to get more information & perspective.

 
NYT is reporting that exact scenario in China. Cancer patients can't get chemo, for example. Non-coronavirus patients have already died waiting for treatment. Blood supplies are critically low, due to demand and to fears of cross-contamination. There's a suggestion there could be as many, or more, non-virus deaths than virus deaths, due to lack of treatment.

We like to imagine our system is superior, but right now I have little confidence. If coronavirus patients overwhelm the resources, how do you decide who gets treatment? If coronavirus-control takes precedence (to reduce its spread), other patients will die from all the other treatable things people can die from. If you treat those patients, the coronavirus could continue to spread. Even at less than 2% mortality rate, that's hundreds of thousands of deaths.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I think tonight's a good time to open a good single malt...
c.

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Posted: Mar 3, 2020 - 10:15am

 oldviolin wrote:
I'm with you bro. I've never met a Björk 
I didn't like...
 

i really enjoy a good bjorking too
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Posted: Mar 3, 2020 - 10:02am



 oldviolin wrote:


 islander wrote:


 miamizsun wrote:


that made me laugh out loud

and manbird loves the iowa

because hawkeye jelly
 
I guess we should probably have a conversation about what qualifies for 'strange', but as long as Björk is on the list I'm still in.



 
I'm with you bro. I've never met a Björk 
I didn't like...

 


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