kcar wrote: 
Trump's policies worked and worked better than anyone else's.  You know the ones Biden reversed on day one including the remain in Mexico policy.

Those policies.

There is your direct answer.  Now answer mine.

I think it's quite believable that terrorists or other nefarious groups are infiltrating through our porous borders. 
Not that I am advocating for "closing" the border, but why the hell do we not better manage the flow of people into this country?
Neither political party has put forth a reasonable plan, and both should be ashamed. 

Damned foreigners forever plotting.

 kurtster wrote:

Again, you avoid the direct question. Again, you provide no policy alternative. 

I have no interest in discussing this matter with you anymore. You've had your chance to discuss this problem intelligently but you just can't do it. Maybe you should stick to Lawrence Welk. 

 kcar wrote: 
You do know that Biden has lost track of over 85,000 children in his custody ?

Y'all crawled all over Trump for a fraction of that number but not one peep regarding Biden doing the same, only 10 times worse.

 kurtster wrote:

Do you or Jiggz have ANY EVIDENCE that illegal immigrants at our southern border have organized or are organizing into a terrorist threat against the US? You're the ones avoiding the direct question. 

Do you seriously believe that Trump has a coherent plan to deter illegal immigration at our southern border if he's re-elected? Remember that this is the guy who couldn't even get his beloved wall built. This is the guy who wants to fire missiles at Mexican cartels, with or without the approval of the Mexican government. Trump doesn't stop to think that doing so could completely destabilize the Mexican government while doing NOTHING to decrease Americans' appetite for cheap labor and plentiful street drugs. 

Consider also that illegal immigrants still tried to get into the US despite Trump's promise of zero tolerance and policy of separating children from their parents. Numerous parents interviewed for news stories said that they would be willing to have that separation happen if it gave their kids a chance at staying in the US. 

I highly doubt that Trump  in '24 would be any more effective than Biden, Obama or Bush at slowing illegal border crossing attempts. The main drivers for this problem are the economic and political problems of the crossers' countries of origin. When things get worse in those countries, more people try to flee to the US. I can't imagine Trump has any interest in helping stabilize our southern neighbors. 

If you want a third choice, a good start would be to help Mexico and large countries like Brazil absorb more immigrants and turn away people intent on passing through their borders to get the US. The federal government could also try to mandate that each state take in more immigrants so as to ease the burden on places like TX and CA. The government could also bolster the immigration system to process and admit more individuals who can prove that they can contribute and live peacefully in the US. There are areas in this country where the decline in population is causing economic and social problems. 

But I don't expect intelligent discussion with you. You just want some loudmouthed criminal narcissist to run the country for you so you don't have to actually think for yourself. You just repeat the crap that right-wing talking heads spew, even though they openly lied to you about how the election was rigged and Trump won. You're really not much better than Pavlov's dog. 

 kcar wrote: 
Which is the high likelihood of a major terrorist event due to our (intentionally) wide open border.

Which you either approve of or are unaware of.  Either one is bad.  Give me a third choice ?

Maybe you believe that all of those entering our country illegally are all wholesome individuals seeking employment and the betterment of the USA ?

You did use the word all in your remarks about the Chinese even though no one else did ...

 

 kurtster wrote:

I did not know that all Chinese caught at our southern border make up "combat divisions worth of fit, single, fighting age Chinese men."

I did not know that. 

Whatever reasonable claim your posts had to serious consideration is long, long gone. You refuse to discuss the legal cases that Trump faces as well as has his obvious attempt to overthrow American democracy. You refuse to acknowledge that a jury found Trump guilty of rape and defamation of character. You run away from acknowledging that Trump's carelessness and incompetence cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of American Covid-infected individuals. 

You cling to some vision of America that is fading into the past, a vision that Trump, even in his prime and with maximal powers, could not bring back. 

When it comes to politics AFAICT you run on fear and hatred. 

If you're trying to convince reasonable people that they should share your concerns, you've done the exact opposite. Own your failure. 

 kurtster wrote:
Yeah, but by the same logic, many of them are 'good guys with guns', so they will be there to offset any mayhem that the bad guys will try to get up to.

Also in the crowd: the Tin man; that one guy who knows the formula for Coke; Waldo (see if you can find him); The great and magnificent Carnak; your 12th grade 'girlfriend from Canada'; the stay puft marshmallow man (he would never harm us); and any number of other persons who we wish to plaster with our hopes, dreams, fears and psychosis. They're all in there, you just have to believe, well except for your Canadian girlfriend - we all knew that was bullshit.

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
That makes two of you.

The number I cited is for 2023 only.  There are many more from previous years not included in that number.

 kcar wrote: 
A division is a large military unit or formation, usually consisting of between 6,000 and 25,000 soldiers.  So that would be nearly 4 by this minimum definition.

With over 2 million gotaways, it would be reasonable to conclude that many of them would likely be terrorists of some sort.

You are parsing over minutiae, ignoring the obvious. Or you don't care and approve of all the illegal border crossings and want them to continue.

 kcar wrote:

Someone doesn't understand the size of a division.

 kurtster wrote:


22,187 arrests of Chinese â‰  "5 combat divisions worth of fit, single, fighting age Chinese men"

Since you're chiming in, perhaps you can provide evidence of "sleeper cells from numerous Sharia fundamentalist countries" . 

 kcar wrote: 
Here, try this ...
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The Border Patrol made 22,187 arrests of Chinese for crossing the border illegally from Mexico from January through September, nearly 13 times the same period in 2022.

You really need to make an effort to be better informed, like by pulling your head out of the sand.  there have been about 6 million known illegal crossings since Biden took office with over 2 million gotaways.

The border is not closed, it is wide fucking open.  Just as you and everyone else that wanted it to be when you voted for Biden.
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CBP Enforcement Statistics Fiscal Year 2023

 Jiggz wrote:

"among the 8 or 10 million that have crossed the southern border in the past few years are almost certainly sleeper cells from numerous Sharia fundamentalist countries plus about 5 combat divisions worth of fit, single, fighting age Chinese men..."


Do you have any evidence to back this up? 

Frankly, if Trump wins I think he would seriously consider suspending elections to help him or the GOP stay in power. He tried to get the DOJ to issue a blanket statement calling the 2020 presidential election into question, assuring DOJ officials that if they'd make that statement, he and GOP Congressmen would provide sufficient excuses. 

Trump tried to use fake Electors to change the results in swing states. He asked GA and AZ officials to break the law and change vote counts that had been verified multiple times. Someone else here will have to chime as to whether Trump, Giuliani et amici were caught trying to similarly pressure officials in other swing states. 

The Democratic party would not suspend elections come Hell or high water. Trump likely would. Trump is on a mission to destroy American democracy. 

 islander wrote:


I am afraid that there will be some 9/11 type event, or several of them, but probably bigger, and spread all over, and there will be all kinds of shelter-in-place regulations again....among the 8 or 10 million that have crossed the southern border in the past few years are almost certainly sleeper cells from numerous Sharia fundamentalist countries plus about 5 combat divisions worth of fit, single, fighting age Chinese men...and so the responsible party could be anyone and elections will just be suspended and everyone will have to stay at home again or similar.

The Unaparty is desperate to hold on to power no matter what it takes.

And then yes, I agree with you, half the country is going to get proper, roiling mad at the other half.

i really really hope I am wrong and everyone here can laugh and point fingers etc.
That would be better for us outside of the US in the rest of the world, than the effect of what I worry might happen.

I am quite convinced that for some reason there won't be an election.

 islander wrote:


I am afraid that there will be some 9/11 type event, or several of them, but probably bigger, and spread all over, and there will be all kinds of shelter-in-place regulations again....among the 8 or 10 million that have crossed the southern border in the past few years are almost certainly sleeper cells from numerous Sharia fundamentalist countries plus about 5 combat divisions worth of fit, single, fighting age Chinese men...and so the responsible party could be anyone and elections will just be suspended and everyone will have to stay at home again or similar.

The Unaparty is desperate to hold on to power no matter what it takes.

And then yes, I agree with you, half the country is going to get proper, roiling mad at the other half.

i really really hope I am wrong and everyone here can laugh and point fingers etc.
That would be better for us outside of the US in the rest of the world, than the effect of what I worry might happen.

I am quite convinced that for some reason there won't be an election.

 islander wrote:


I am afraid that there will be some 9/11 type event, or several of them, but probably bigger, and spread all over, and there will be all kinds of shelter-in-place regulations again....among the 8 or 10 million that have crossed the southern border in the past few years are almost certainly sleeper cells from numerous Sharia fundamentalist countries plus about 5 combat divisions worth of fit, single, fighting age Chinese men...and so the responsible party could be anyone and elections will just be suspended and everyone will have to stay at home again or similar.

The Unaparty is desperate to hold on to power no matter what it takes.

And then yes, I agree with you, half the country is going to get proper, roiling mad at the other half.

i really really hope I am wrong and everyone here can laugh and point fingers etc.
That would be better for us outside of the US in the rest of the world, than the effect of what I worry might happen.

I am quite convinced that for some reason there won't be an election.

 islander wrote:


I am afraid that there will be some 9/11 type event, or several of them, but probably bigger, and spread all over, and there will be all kinds of shelter-in-place regulations again....among the 8 or 10 million that have crossed the southern border in the past few years are almost certainly sleeper cells from numerous Sharia fundamentalist countries plus about 5 combat divisions worth of fit, single, fighting age Chinese men...and so the responsible party could be anyone and elections will just be suspended and everyone will have to stay at home again or similar.

The Unaparty is desperate to hold on to power no matter what it takes.

And then yes, I agree with you, half the country is going to get proper, roiling mad at the other half.

i really really hope I am wrong and everyone here can laugh and point fingers etc.
That would be better for us outside of the US in the rest of the world, than the effect of what I worry might happen.

I am quite convinced that for some reason there won't be an election.

 Jiggz wrote:

So what do you think will happen instead?  

I'm actually more worried about '25 when ~ 1/2 the people that bothered to vote feel more allegiance to their tribe than to their government.   And I'm curious what the 40% non-voters will do as part of the population whines and refuses to follow the rule of law.