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Posted: Jul 31, 2024 - 9:32pm

 kurtster wrote:

< chaff deleted >

Wants to completely end private health care and provide permanent public healthcare to anyone who shows up regardless of legal status.
< sigh.... more chaff>


You know this is how 25+ other civilized countries in the world do it right?  

Well they don't end private care, and neither will we. But yeah, most places don't understand medical bankruptcy. And they take care of people, because it's the right thing to do. 
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Posted: Jul 31, 2024 - 8:19pm

 haresfur wrote:
To say that the Communist Manifesto is the roadmap for democrats is ludicrous. At not time in the past or up to the present has the party been Marxist. Even the progressive wing is not Marxist. Learn the difference between social democrats and communists. And Harris is firmly in the right-wing side of the party. Her positions resemble the George Bushes more than they resemble Bernie Sanders (who isn't even a democrat, anyway).
 
In case you missed it, Harris was catalogued as the most liberal senator during her time as a US Senator.  More liberal than Sanders.

Harris is farther left than AOC.  A look at San Francisco is a window into her policies and aspirations.

Harris has led the defund the police movement.  Cashless bail. She raised money for rioters.

Wants the border wide open without penalties or prosecution of any kind for illegal crossers.

Wants to completely end private health care and provide permanent public healthcare to anyone who shows up regardless of legal status.

Wants to give voting rights to illegals.

Wants a mandatory gun buy back program, aka confiscation ...

These are just openers.

You view from affair has been distorted.  Her record is being brought up as all her statements have been recorded and they will be played back for her benefit.  She is already backpedaling so fast she'll get a speeding ticket.
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Posted: Jul 31, 2024 - 8:16pm

 haresfur wrote:

If this is a "conversation starter" it is an aspirational wish list of things that you would like to have, right? The republicans and trump have put out a list of proposals that are totally abhorrent and that is the problem people here have. 

Project 2025 has nothing to do with the Trump campaign.  The problem people here have is they refuse to accept this fact.

If you're looking to find out what Trump's platform actually is, you may want to look at the source:

2024 GOP - Trump platform Do you see anything there that's "totally abhorrent"?

1.. DEFEAT INFLATION, AND QUICKLY BRING DOWN ALL PRICES.
2. SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION.
3. BUILD THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN HISTORY.
4. BRING BACK THE AMERICAN DREAM AND MAKE IT AFFORDABLE AGAIN FOR FAMILIES, YOUNG PEOPLE, AND EVERYONE. 
5. PROTECT AMERICAN WORKERS AND FARMERS FROM UNFAIR TRADE.
6. PROTECT SENIORS. 
7. CULTIVATE GREAT K-12 SCHOOLS LEADING TO GREAT JOBS AND GREAT LIVES FOR YOUNG PEOPLE.
8. BRING COMMON SENSE TO OUR GOVERNMENT AND RENEW THE PILLARS OF AMERICAN CIVILIZATION
9. GOVERNMENT OF, BY, AND FOR THE PEOPLE.
10. RETURN TO PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH.

And:
President Trump’s 20 CORE PROMISES TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!


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Posted: Jul 31, 2024 - 8:06pm

 kurtster wrote:

Y'all are crazy.

You're behaving like this is a done deal.

To me, I see it as a conversation starter.  A comprehensive one, but only a beginning.

The chances of seeing any more than a fraction of any proposals successfully wend their way through Congress is pretty slim.

But you all refuse any conversations.  No conversations needed.  It is all bad, case clos

Consider it a rebuttal to The Communist Manifesto which is the road map for the leaders of your side.


If this is a "conversation starter" it is an aspirational wish list of things that you would like to have, right? The republicans and trump have put out a list of proposals that are totally abhorrent and that is the problem people here have. You are saying that people shouldn't complain about the proposals since they will never happen. Kind of like how Roe v Wade was settled law and wouldn't be overturned. Since these are your goals, you own them and quit pretending like they are ok.

To say that the Communist Manifesto is the roadmap for democrats is ludicrous. At not time in the past or up to the present has the party been Marxist. Even the progressive wing is not Marxist. Learn the difference between social democrats and communists. And Harris is firmly in the right-wing side of the party. Her positions resemble the George Bushes more than they resemble Bernie Sanders (who isn't even a democrat, anyway).
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Posted: Jul 31, 2024 - 8:03pm

 kurtster wrote:

Consider it a rebuttal to The Communist Manifesto which is the road map for the leaders of your side.


A spectre is haunting Kurt.

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Posted: Jul 31, 2024 - 7:37pm

Y'all are crazy.

You're behaving like this is a done deal.

To me, I see it as a conversation starter.  A comprehensive one, but only a beginning.

The chances of seeing any more than a fraction of any proposals successfully wend their way through Congress is pretty slim.

But you all refuse any conversations.  No conversations needed.  It is all bad, case closed.

Consider it a rebuttal to The Communist Manifesto which is the road map for the leaders of your side.
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Posted: Jul 31, 2024 - 6:50pm

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It's privatize everything, isn't it? Including the weather disaster warning system. 

Let's be fair... it's not everything... but there is time for addendums.  So far...
  • Department of Education: The project suggests disbanding the Department of Education and emphasizes "school choice," directing public funds to private or religious schools. It also proposes privatizing student loans and eliminating the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program.
  • Medicare and Medicaid: The plan includes prohibiting Medicare from negotiating drug prices, promoting the Medicare Advantage program (private insurance plans), and making significant cuts to Medicaid. It suggests turning Medicaid into a voucher program and eliminating federal oversight of state Medicaid programs.
  • Veterans Affairs: Funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs would be cut.
  • Transportation Security Administration (TSA): The project recommends privatizing the TSA.
  • Federal Reserve: It proposes abolishing the Federal Reserve and instead backing the dollar with a commodity like gold.
  • Department of Energy: The project calls for overhauling the Department of Energy to promote fossil fuels and reduce emphasis on green energy sources. It also aims to cut federal funding for climate change research.
  • Labor Unions: Project 2025 seeks to allow states to ban labor unions in the private sector, make it easier for corporations to fire workers involved in collective action, and eliminate overtime protections and the federal minimum wage.
  • Federal Student Aid: The project calls for the elimination of the Office of Federal Student Aid and suggests creating a new government corporation to manage student loans.
You know... if you get rid of everything the government does... nobody will have to pay any taxes.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Jul 31, 2024 - 6:29pm

 Bill_J wrote:


It's privatize everything, isn't it? Including the weather disaster warning system. 


Pretty much.
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Posted: Jul 31, 2024 - 6:28pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

page 465 - privatize Medicare



It's privatize everything, isn't it? Including the weather disaster warning system. 
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Jul 31, 2024 - 3:44pm

page 465 - privatize Medicare
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Posted: Jul 31, 2024 - 8:28am

 ColdMiser wrote:


Yeah, What he just said! 

If I had the $ I'd buy up every freaking billboard in every battleground state and emblazon them with "Trump's Project 2025 - Google It! "



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Posted: Jul 31, 2024 - 8:20am

 rgio wrote:

Because I know who Trump is, and I refuse to support a leader and his supporting cast who are entirely focused on making themselves and their friends/supporters richer.  I benefit from Trump being President, but I'm willing to sacrifice a bit to support my kids and their kids by leaving a functioning government and infrastructure that supports those in need, provides opportunity to succeed both educationally and economically, protects the environment, and makes the lives of everyone living here safer (both crime and environmentally). 

As a recovering Republican, I've come to appreciate that the notion of "meritocracy" and "everyone can succeed" and "American independence" isn't entirely correct. I have serious concerns about DEI and reparations and programs designed to prioritize based on race, sex, religion, etc.... but I appreciate that the playing field has been historically tilted generously in my favor (white, male, European descent).  Would I like things to be "great again"... sure, it was a lot easier.  Is the far left insane about these programs?  Absolutely, but they are a tiny faction despite what Fox News tells you.  

History's trajectory on fairness is positive.  There are reactions and overreactions, but overall, I feel that diversity of opportunity is positive.  Is DEI overdone...yes.   Is it worth gutting everything and removing slavery references from textbooks so white kids don't feel bad.... hell no.  Should the names of Confederate soldiers be removed from schools?  Maybe... but the local community has to see a value in doing so.  Of the 300 or so public schools in the country named after rebs, my state has none.  It's a tiny issue... that grabs an outsized amount of attention due to its emotional ties.  It's like transgender athletes.  There are 82,000 college athletes each year.  So far, 32 openly transgender athletes have competed.  It's not an issue... but it draws a huge cheer every time Trump says it... which is why he says it. 

You can have Trump's record. A repeat is what I'm so against. History will be very unkind to Trump, and will ultimately show Biden as a critical leader in the perseverance of the Republic.

So back to Project 2025:  You didn't answer the question.  Do you believe Trump doesn't know anything about Project 2025?




Yeah, What he just said! 

If I had the $ I'd buy up every freaking billboard in every battleground state and emblazon them with "Trump's Project 2025 - Google It! "

rgio

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Posted: Jul 31, 2024 - 5:30am

 kurtster wrote:

Quite frankly, I get what I get when I vote for Trump.

You are also willing to get what you get with whoever you are going to vote for.  You don't even know who you're voting for other than the DNC nominee.  You have no ideas what policies you're going to get other than more of the same that you have got with Biden.  Could be even worse.  But you don't care, you're just voting for Not Trump and will approve of anything that comes with that choice.  You have already committed yourself.
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How are we different in that respect ?

I'll take Trump's record as POTUS over Joe's.

Because I know who Trump is, and I refuse to support a leader and his supporting cast who are entirely focused on making themselves and their friends/supporters richer.  I benefit from Trump being President, but I'm willing to sacrifice a bit to support my kids and their kids by leaving a functioning government and infrastructure that supports those in need, provides opportunity to succeed both educationally and economically, protects the environment, and makes the lives of everyone living here safer (both crime and environmentally). 

As a recovering Republican, I've come to appreciate that the notion of "meritocracy" and "everyone can succeed" and "American independence" isn't entirely correct. I have serious concerns about DEI and reparations and programs designed to prioritize based on race, sex, religion, etc.... but I appreciate that the playing field has been historically tilted generously in my favor (white, male, European descent).  Would I like things to be "great again"... sure, it was a lot easier.  Is the far left insane about these programs?  Absolutely, but they are a tiny faction despite what Fox News tells you.  

History's trajectory on fairness is positive.  There are reactions and overreactions, but overall, I feel that diversity of opportunity is positive.  Is DEI overdone...yes.   Is it worth gutting everything and removing slavery references from textbooks so white kids don't feel bad.... hell no.  Should the names of Confederate soldiers be removed from schools?  Maybe... but the local community has to see a value in doing so.  Of the 300 or so public schools in the country named after rebs, my state has none.  It's a tiny issue... that grabs an outsized amount of attention due to its emotional ties.  It's like transgender athletes.  There are 82,000 college athletes each year.  So far, 32 openly transgender athletes have competed.  It's not an issue... but it draws a huge cheer every time Trump says it... which is why he says it. 

You can have Trump's record. A repeat is what I'm so against. History will be very unkind to Trump, and will ultimately show Biden as a critical leader in the perseverance of the Republic.

So back to Project 2025:  You didn't answer the question.  Do you believe Trump doesn't know anything about Project 2025?


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Posted: Jul 30, 2024 - 8:24pm

 kurtster wrote:

Quite frankly, I get what I get when I vote for Trump.

You are also willing to get what you get with whoever you are going to vote for.  You don't even know who you're voting for other than the DNC nominee.  You have no ideas what policies you're going to get other than more of the same that you have got with Biden.  Could be even worse.  But you don't care, you're just voting for Not Trump and will approve of anything that comes with that choice.  You have already committed yourself.
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How are we different in that respect ?

I'll take Trump's record as POTUS over Joe's.


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Posted: Jul 30, 2024 - 7:19pm

 rgio wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Says the guy who was gaslit by the people you trusted about Biden's wherewithal.   Then came the debate and you found that your lying eyes were being lied to.  You believed every lie about Biden that they fed you.

deflect....ignore...whatabout... just never answer a question. As has been said here a few times, I'd vote for Biden's head in a jar of blue liquid if the other choice was Trump.   It's not about believing a lie... it's about priorities.  The issue you ignored:  Trump says he doesn't know anything about Project 2025.  I presented a list of facts that would suggest he's either lying, or he has no idea what all of the people he listens to and trusts believe he should do on day 1 of his second administration.  You posted that Trump stated he doesn't know about it.  Do you believe him?
 
Quite frankly, I get what I get when I vote for Trump.

You are also willing to get what you get with whoever you are going to vote for.  You don't even know who you're voting for other than the DNC nominee.  You have no ideas what policies you're going to get other than more of the same that you have got with Biden.  Could be even worse.  But you don't care, you're just voting for Not Trump and will approve of anything that comes with that choice.  You have already committed yourself.
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How are we different in that respect ?

I'll take Trump's record as POTUS over Joe's.
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Posted: Jul 30, 2024 - 1:52pm

Project 2025 director steps down amid backlash from Trump
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Posted: Jul 27, 2024 - 4:09pm

 kurtster wrote:

Says the guy who was gaslit by the people you trusted about Biden's wherewithal.  

Then came the debate and you found that your lying eyes were being lied to.  You believed every lie about Biden that they fed you.

deflect....ignore...whatabout... just never answer a question.

As has been said here a few times, I'd vote for Biden's head in a jar of blue liquid if the other choice was Trump.   It's not about believing a lie... it's about priorities. 

The issue you ignored:  Trump says he doesn't know anything about Project 2025.  I presented a list of facts that would suggest he's either lying, or he has no idea what all of the people he listens to and trusts believe he should do on day 1 of his second administration. 

You posted that Trump stated he doesn't know about it.  Do you believe him?

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Posted: Jul 27, 2024 - 3:54pm

 kurtster wrote:

Says the guy who was gaslit by the people you trusted about Biden's wherewithal.  

Then came the debate and you found that your lying eyes were being lied to.  You believed every lie about Biden that they fed you.

And yet...

Biden's had moments since the debate when he's done well.  I suspect he has some medical issue that causes him to become exhausted more easily. Add in the fact that he's 80 and works quite hard and boom, he looks doddering. 

Drumpf, on the other hand, lied all the time when he was president. He lied in prepared written statements, he lied in speeches, he lied during press conferences and impromptu remarks. While president, he lied on average 20.5 times a day. 30,000/4 = 7,500. Then divide 7,500 by 365 and you'll obtain 20.54.

When someone lies 20.5 times a day, you have to think that he might have an obsessive-compulsive disorder controlling his behavior. That's not normal for anyone, even salesmen. You also have to wonder whether he has trouble separating fact from reality. Given Trump's age and family medical history, you wonder whether the lying is a sign of dementia. 

And Trump is looking pretty old these days as well. 

Given that 

Trump is mentioned numerous times in the Project 2025 document, 

that Trump admin veterans fill the upper levels of the project's leadership, 

that he's praised it in speeches, his running mate his praised it publicly, 

that Project 2025 and Heritage Foundation leaders have referred to their work as a roadmap for a Trump admin,

I'd say Trump owns this dogpile. 

Finally, his recent remarks that he doesn't know anything about it or about the people involved are lies no one believes for a moment. If he truly seriously doesn't know anything about Project 2025, he is massively mentally unfit to run or serve as president. 

Oh and btw: Trump is still a felon, still a rapist, still a suspected pedophile and still a failed conman owing $500+ million in civil damages. 
















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Posted: Jul 27, 2024 - 1:02pm

 rgio wrote:
When you support a guy who lied over 30,000 times during his 4 years in office, I guess at some point you lose sight of the truth.
 
Says the guy who was gaslit by the people you trusted about Biden's wherewithal.  

Then came the debate and you found that your lying eyes were being lied to.  You believed every lie about Biden that they fed you.
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Posted: Jul 27, 2024 - 10:51am

"Vance also ties the Republican ticket firmly to Project 2025.
The Trump camp has worked to distance itself from Project 2025—not convincingly, since the two are obviously closely tied, but it turns out that Vance wrote the introduction for a forthcoming book by Heritage Foundation president Kevin Roberts, who was the lead author of Project 2025. The book appears to popularize that plan, right down to its endorsement of a “Second American Revolution,” and according to the book deal report, proceeds from the book will go to the Heritage Foundation “and aligned nonprofits.”

Now Vance’s words praising Project 2025 will be in print, just in time for the election. Yesterday, Trump posted: “I have nothing to do with, and know nothing about, Project 25 . The fact that I do is merely disinformation put out by the Radical Left Democrat Thugs. Do not believe them!” "

Heather Cox Richardson  7/25/2024
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