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KurtfromLaQuinta

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Posted: Mar 7, 2022 - 9:52pm

 kurtster wrote:

You have revealed your true self.

On behalf of all the blue collar white trash in flyover country (who cling to their guns and Bibles, to complete the thought) ... you can go fuck yourself.

Lord only knows what you think of all the minorities that also live here.

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Hear! Hear!
What amazes me... the ones who tout this stuff are the same ones who condemn "those rich people!"
Who can afford to live on those coast? 






NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Mar 7, 2022 - 9:38pm

 Animal-Farm wrote:
 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

.. maybe you should then quieten down a bit and go out for a walk.  (ps deleting your post doesn't count as exercise)
I was building on the previous comments. No worries.
 
I'm not sure I'd call that building but if you want some real world info, we have Ukrainian refugees arriving here now. It's real. Civilians are getting bombed, cities destroyed. Just like it ever was..
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Posted: Mar 7, 2022 - 9:34pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

.. maybe you should then quieten down a bit and go out for a walk.  (ps deleting your post doesn't count as exercise)


I was commenting on the previous comments. Perhaps in response to what you had offered. No worries.

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Posted: Mar 7, 2022 - 9:25pm

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 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

Aldous Huxley, George Orwell, Arthur Koestler  are all easy reading and great novelists.  .. and none of them are any bleaker than the news is at the moment. 
And I don't even know what the news is saying or if I can believe it
 
.. maybe you should then quieten down a bit and go out for a walk.  (ps deleting your post doesn't count as exercise)
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Mar 7, 2022 - 9:09pm

 kurtster wrote:
Nightime reading
 
Aldous Huxley, George Orwell, Arthur Koestler

 are all easy reading and great novelists. 

.. and none of them are any bleaker than the news is at the moment. 
kurtster

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Posted: Mar 7, 2022 - 8:45pm

 Animal-Farm wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

The remark that got Bill Maher fired from his original show, Politically Incorrect, way back when ... Israel is our girlfriend and Saudi Arabia is our dope dealer. I saw that show when it aired.  Within a week it was over.

We've always been at war with Eastasia

just government Though Police. The people themselves participate, willfully, in "double think". I point this out because the rise of online journalism has meant the rise of editing old articles to conform to changing political realities — just like in 1984, but done willfully, without government mandate. Wikipedia articles and news stories change subtly, "corrected" not because of factual errors, but because of political errors. Consider the example in the book 1984 regarding the ongoing war between the three superstates of Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia (representing English, Russian, and Chinese empires respectively). At the start of the book, Oceania is at war with Eurasia. They have always been at war with Eurasia. That's the political consensus, and all historic documents agree. However, Winston Smith (the protagonist) remembers a time five years ago when Oceania was instead at war with Eastasia. Winston Smith struggles with philosophical idea of "truth". Which is more true, what everyone knows and what's in the newspapers, or the memories within his head? Then Ocean's allegiance switched back again. On the sixth day of Hate Week, as crowds gathered to denounce Eurasia, the Party switched enemies to Eastasia. In a particularly rousing speech against their enemy, the speaker was handed a slip of paper, and in mid-sentence, without pause, without change in content or tone, he changed the name of the enemy he was speaking against to Eastasia. Eurasia was now their dearest friends. Those holding banners denouncing their enemy were suddenly embarrassed to discover they had unaccountably written the wrong name, and quickly trampled and destroyed them. This change meant work for Winston in the Ministry of Truth:
Oceania was at war with Eastasia: Oceania had always been at war with
Eastasia. A large part of the political literature of five years was now
completely obsolete. Reports and records of all kinds, newspapers, books,
pamphlets, films, sound-tracks, photographs—all had to be rectified at
lightning speed. Although no directive was ever issued, it was known that
the chiefs of the Department intended that within one week no reference
to the war with Eurasia, or the alliance with Eastasia, should remain in
existence anywhere.
 
I never did read 1984 or any Orwell for that matter that I can recall.  Attempted to read 1984 but it was just too dark for me in 1968.  I went with Aldous Huxley instead.  1984 to me was about "Big Brother" and social manipulation.  Never got to the back story, was irrelevant to me, then  Also never read Animal Farm, but I know the gist.  Too late in life to find and read them now.  The take away's will likely not change. 

People will be sheeple and quite willingly.  News feeds are tailor made for confirmation bias reinforcement purposes, imo.  Don't have any or use any.  I prefer to find news on my own and take it to wherever it leads me, rather then be fed and led by algorithms. 

I could relate to Huxley and his future take was a little brighter and his indulgence with psychedelics also helped.  He made sense to me.

Soma do and Soma don't, I've always said.  :)
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Mar 7, 2022 - 8:11pm

 Animal-Farm wrote:



We've always been at war with Eastasia

Orwell's point in 1984 was that it's more than just government Though Police. The people themselves participate, willfully, in "double think".

I point this out because the rise of online journalism has meant the rise of editing old articles to conform to changing political realities — just like in 1984, but done willfully, without government mandate. Wikipedia articles and news stories change subtly, "corrected" not because of factual errors, but because of political errors.

Consider the example in the book 1984 regarding the ongoing war between the three superstates of Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia (representing English, Russian, and Chinese empires respectively).

At the start of the book, Oceania is at war with Eurasia. They have always been at war with Eurasia. That's the political consensus, and all historic documents agree. However, Winston Smith (the protagonist) remembers a time five years ago when Oceania was instead at war with Eastasia. Winston Smith struggles with philosophical idea of "truth". Which is more true, what everyone knows and what's in the newspapers, or the memories within his head?

Then Ocean's allegiance switched back again. On the sixth day of Hate Week, as crowds gathered to denounce Eurasia, the Party switched enemies to Eastasia. In a particularly rousing speech against their enemy, the speaker was handed a slip of paper, and in mid-sentence, without pause, without change in content or tone, he changed the name of the enemy he was speaking against to Eastasia. Eurasia was now their dearest friends. Those holding banners denouncing their enemy were suddenly embarrassed to discover they had unaccountably written the wrong name, and quickly trampled and destroyed them.

This change meant work for Winston in the Ministry of Truth:
Oceania was at war with Eastasia: Oceania had always been at war with
Eastasia. A large part of the political literature of five years was now
completely obsolete. Reports and records of all kinds, newspapers, books,
pamphlets, films, sound-tracks, photographs—all had to be rectified at
lightning speed. Although no directive was ever issued, it was known that
the chiefs of the Department intended that within one week no reference
to the war with Eurasia, or the alliance with Eastasia, should remain in
existence anywhere.




Rolling Stone gave Lou Reed's The Blue Mask 3 stars when it came out.
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Posted: Mar 7, 2022 - 7:11pm

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“I don’t understand biology, infectious disease, immunology, or politics, but I do know wrestling!”
-AF


"

Never Wrestle with a Pig. You Both Get Dirty and the Pig Likes It

"
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Posted: Mar 7, 2022 - 7:05pm

 R_P wrote:
Moody's has upgraded the rating for Iran, Venezuela and Saudi Arabia to LE- - (Lesser Evil- -)

Now if one were really principled (on matters of both human rights and sovereignty)...
 
The remark that got Bill Maher fired from his original show, Politically Incorrect, way back when ...

Israel is our girlfriend and Saudi Arabia is our dope dealer.

I saw that show when it aired.  Within a week it was over.
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Posted: Mar 7, 2022 - 6:54pm

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Fantastic, thoughtful analysis. It’s what we’ve come to expect of you. “I don’t follow the herd, but look what I saw on Imgur”


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Posted: Mar 7, 2022 - 1:47pm

Moody's has upgraded the rating for Iran, Venezuela and Saudi Arabia to LE- - (Lesser Evil- -)

Now if one were really principled (on matters of both human rights and sovereignty)...
R_P

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Posted: Mar 7, 2022 - 11:44am

Still the same...

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Posted: Mar 7, 2022 - 10:46am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
We have two sovereign states with conflicting views. When one says I have a red line and it involves restricting the sovereign rights of the other smaller state we don't have to accept that.

We all know the obvious, and yet...

There is no justification implied.

rgio

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Posted: Mar 7, 2022 - 7:38am

 kurtster wrote:

You have revealed your true self.

On behalf of all the blue collar white trash in flyover country (who cling to their guns and Bibles, to complete the thought) ... you can go fuck yourself.

Lord only knows what you think of all the minorities that also live here.

As proof, I present exhibit K

Emotional, irrational, reactionary, loyal, and misinformed.

You are EXACTLY what Mr. Putin relies on both at home and abroad.

The defense rests.

Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 7, 2022 - 7:37am

Moscow says it will let Ukrainian civilians flee - to Russia
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Mar 7, 2022 - 7:04am

 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:

Nice generalizations there.
I know of plenty of smart people who live in "flyover areas".  Hi SFW, JFW, Lazy 8, Kurtster, etc. etc. etc.! And plenty more R.P.  listeners and owner.
I know of plenty of people who live on the "coasts", who are, how would you say it?... losers.




I haven't actually taken the temperature locally to see whether our reddest state is supporting Putin now. I cannot fathom any of these people siding with Russia any more than they'd side with China. Which is to say I expect locals to sign up to fight with Ukraine. But stranger things have happened.
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Posted: Mar 7, 2022 - 6:46am

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100% agree. Thanks for typing my thoughts for me. You don't see Putin attacking any NATO countries. Maybe they should have expanded more when they had a chance. I am German myself, 1st born in the US of my family. Both my parents escaped Russian communism (met on the boat immigrating to Canada after war. My father came from a German enclave in what was part of Romania at the time (Bessarabia) and had been part of Ukraine and Russia in the past. Now part of Moldovia, I think. He escaped with his family when the Russians announced they were taking over. Mother escaped East Germany when she was 15. So, yeah, no love of Russia in our family. Who is to say if Russia would have been lead by someone different from Putin. Maybe they could have joined the EU. Things would have and could have been different for them. Blaming US and NATO is pure BS. It's all on Putin's head. Maybe it is time for another Russian revolution. Been listening to the Revolutions Podcast, which is at episode 88 of the Russian revolution. Currently the Blacks, whites and reds are skirmishing in the Ukraine. Still waiting to see how it works out for the Bolshevik rabble. Point is, it's been done before, it can happen again, however painful it is. You just need to piss of the right number of people, which they seem to be on their way to doing.
 
btw ... interesting background! {#Cheers}
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Posted: Mar 7, 2022 - 6:11am

Language, language.
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Posted: Mar 7, 2022 - 5:54am

 rgio wrote:
 Russia is a lot like the US in that there are 2 populations, the city dwellers....educated, connected, skeptical, and considerate of options (the coasts in the US...to generalize), and those who are emotional, overly patriotic, very tribal, subject to misinformation and conspiracy (fly-over country).    
 
You have revealed your true self.

On behalf of all the blue collar white trash in flyover country (who cling to their guns and Bibles, to complete the thought) ... you can go fuck yourself.

Lord only knows what you think of all the minorities that also live here.

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