airborne paratroopers landed in Kharkiv at 3 am local time. 

Now this is about to get really bloody.

Putin huilo. Come on Ukraine. You've got this.

 Animal-Farm wrote:

Now come on Animal-Farm , one war at a time please .

 R_P wrote: 

It’s not imperialism; this is great-power politics.

More bullshit Realpolitik..  It's imperialism plain and simple. If we followed that reasoning the world would be an Orwellian nightmare divided up into three power blocks and none of us would be free of autocratic one-party government leadership. Fuck that.  Go Ukraine.

EDIT.. also re Scott Ritter down below.. kind of ironic how US-born detractors of the USA seem quite happy to keep the old Cold War power structures of USA vs. Russia in place and are willing to throw any small nations at the feet of one of the two.

 R_P wrote:

Turkey was saying wtf, we applied years ago, so we need to get invaded to get in?!?

European Parliament Accepts Ukraine's Application to Join EU, Work Remains

Why John Mearsheimer Blames the U.S. for the Crisis in Ukraine *
For years, the political scientist has claimed that Putin’s aggression toward Ukraine is caused by Western intervention. Have recent events changed his mind?

 VV wrote:

True, but I can't imagine they were caught flat-footed.

 Red_Dragon wrote:
What is not known is how many may have already been taken out by airfield bombardment and whether there are any operational airfields at this point.

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Yes, I've seen that, but it seems as if they could be doing more - see my edit.


edit: The Su-25s are designed specifically for this sort of thing.

 Red_Dragon wrote:

I thought they were droning some of them.

WTF isn't the Ukrainian Air Force bombing the shit out of those parked vehicles? They DO have about 70-80 reasonably modern combat aircraft.

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Yeah, those things are particularly nasty in a world filled with nasty weapons.

 Red_Dragon wrote:

They'll just go to lobbing bombs. The Father of All Bombs?

Scott Ritter on Russian Offensive

Seems the Russian logistical problems are getting worse. Just can't seem to keep their army supplied with fuel and food. I imagine they're running short on ammunition as well.

 VV wrote: 
Sorry, all you old white men look the same to me.

Oh, and I'm just trying to find my way to Albuquerque, that's what I use a paper map for.

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 kurtster wrote:
They don't need the internet to run PowerPoint or whatever app they used to create their map. And "No" a war isn't underway there unless the Ukrainians have mounted an offensive and invaded Belarus.
 

What paper maps are you looking at... trying to find some buried treasure somewhere?

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