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Posted: Aug 28, 2013 - 1:45pm

Didjall go check out the NYTimes? It was still down until maybe an hour ago...

Times Site Is Disrupted in Attack by Hackers

The site was unavailable to readers Tuesday afternoon, the result of “a malicious external attack.”

 
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Posted: Aug 28, 2013 - 11:58am

interesting look back....


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Posted: Aug 28, 2013 - 11:58am

 islander wrote:

I'm all for helping to fix other people's problems, but it looks a bit hypocritical if we don't have our own house in order when we start. 

 
we need to define that statement  {#Wink}
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Posted: Aug 28, 2013 - 11:56am

 Bitzinpieces wrote:

Call your Congress people and the White House and tell them NO WAR!

Public opinion counts, make yours heard. 

 
i'd suggest calling them at least three times a day
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Posted: Aug 28, 2013 - 8:32am

 islander wrote:

I'm all for helping to fix other people's problems, but it looks a bit hypocritical if we don't have our own house in order when we start. 

 
at least
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Posted: Aug 28, 2013 - 7:55am

 islander wrote:

Good summary, but it details our foreign policy problems in the region. We need to stop worrying about which leaders may or may not be friendly to our interests. We should instead worry that the leaders are the ones that a) are supported by a majority of the people in the country and b) don't violate basic human rights.

Of course worrying that the leader is simply slightly better than candidate 'b' instead of actually good is how we select our own leadership, so why should we be surprised when that is the policy they support abroad? 

 
Call your Congress people and the White House and tell them NO WAR!

Public opinion counts, make yours heard. 
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Posted: Aug 28, 2013 - 7:51am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

so, we should worry about 'Merica first, then?

 
I'm all for helping to fix other people's problems, but it looks a bit hypocritical if we don't have our own house in order when we start. 
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Posted: Aug 28, 2013 - 7:47am

 islander wrote:

Good summary, but it details our foreign policy problems in the region. We need to stop worrying about which leaders may or may not be friendly to our interests. We should instead worry that the leaders are the ones that a) are supported by a majority of the people in the country and b) don't violate basic human rights.

Of course worrying that the leader is simply slightly better than candidate 'b' instead of actually good is how we select our own leadership, so why should we be surprised when that is the policy they support abroad? 

 
so, we should worry about 'Merica first, then?
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Posted: Aug 28, 2013 - 7:45am

 Bitzinpieces wrote: 
Good summary, but it details our foreign policy problems in the region. We need to stop worrying about which leaders may or may not be friendly to our interests. We should instead worry that the leaders are the ones that a) are supported by a majority of the people in the country and b) don't violate basic human rights.

Of course worrying that the leader is simply slightly better than candidate 'b' instead of actually good is how we select our own leadership, so why should we be surprised when that is the policy they support abroad? 
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Posted: Aug 28, 2013 - 7:29am

 DaveInVA wrote: 

Obama's Syria conundrum: How to 'punish' Assad regime


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Posted: Aug 28, 2013 - 7:12am

Obama’s third war


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Posted: Aug 24, 2013 - 3:35pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

My issue is American hegemony - I'm agin it. The idea that this nation should dictate policy/morality or anything else to the rest of the world is - in my opinion - wrong.

 
I know.

Moderation in everything (including meddling in other countries' affairs) is my motto.
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Posted: Aug 23, 2013 - 9:24am

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I'm neither a pacifist nor a non-interventionist. I'm a pragmatist.

One of the few voices of reason regarding foreign policy in the Middle East over the last couple of decades has been William Odom. In his widely read essay regarding the debacle of Bush 43's invasion of Iraq, he stated the obvious: "we must recognize that the United States alone cannot stabilize the Middle East". Rhetorically drawing "red lines" and implying that you are considering unilateral military action or other involvement on your own is not wise.

I agree with Odom that we need to abandon a Middle East foreign policy based primarily on "unilateralism", or deciding to go it alone. The alternative approach that actually works is well documented and described in Odom's paper, "American Hegemony: How to Use It, How to Lose It.

 
My issue is American hegemony - I'm agin it. The idea that this nation should dictate policy/morality or anything else to the rest of the world is - in my opinion - wrong.
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Posted: Aug 23, 2013 - 9:17am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

this seems a bit hawkish for you...

 
I'm neither a pacifist nor a non-interventionist. I'm a pragmatist.

One of the few voices of reason regarding foreign policy in the Middle East over the last couple of decades has been William Odom. In his widely read essay regarding the debacle of Bush 43's invasion of Iraq, he stated the obvious: "we must recognize that the United States alone cannot stabilize the Middle East". Rhetorically drawing "red lines" and implying that you are considering unilateral military action or other involvement on your own is not wise.

I agree with Odom that we need to abandon a Middle East foreign policy based primarily on "unilateralism", or deciding to go it alone. The alternative approach that actually works is well documented and described in Odom's paper, "American Hegemony: How to Use It, How to Lose It.
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Posted: Aug 22, 2013 - 3:13pm

 cc_rider wrote:

It does, but there has been noise made about chemical weapons being a 'game changer'.

But more to the point, what should we (not 'Obama' or 'Congress', but WE) do in Syria? Bomb somebody? Who? Put troops on the ground? Where? Enact economic sanctions? Who would that hurt, or influence?

We have utterly abdicated any moral authority in the region. The CIA has finally admitted it overthrew a democratically-elected leader in Iran. How did that work out? We armed Afghani freedom fighters against the Russians, and created a lawless country where the worst terrorist attack in US history was planned. We went to war in Iraq based on a pack of fabrications. That's working out just peachy too.

Who are we supposed to support now, in Syria, or Egypt? The administration responsible for slaughtering over a hundred thousand people so far, or the anti-American Islamists? Choose carefully now, because our decisions are going to haunt us for decades.

There are no good answers. Heck, there aren't really any 'answers' period. 

 
it's a bad situation for sure

of course the answer for us is more war

i did see a video of analyst trying to determine the type of chems used and if the symptoms he saw were consistent with sarin

he said some looked legit, some not so legit (according to video from the hospital)

for instance he said someone foaming at the mouth from sarin would have a fine yellowish foam with possible blood

the victims in the video he was watching at that moment were not like that (white foam big bubbles no blood)

who the hell knows...

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Posted: Aug 22, 2013 - 2:50pm

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You won't hear them from me, I am in full agreement. {#Yes}

 

ditto
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Posted: Aug 22, 2013 - 10:28am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Exactly. The answer is to stop meddling in the affairs of others and mind our own business.

Let the isolationist cat-calls begin.

 

You won't hear them from me, I am in full agreement. {#Yes}
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Posted: Aug 22, 2013 - 9:34am

 cc_rider wrote:

It does, but there has been noise made about chemical weapons being a 'game changer'.

But more to the point, what should we (not 'Obama' or 'Congress', but WE) do in Syria? Bomb somebody? Who? Put troops on the ground? Where? Enact economic sanctions? Who would that hurt, or influence?

We have utterly abdicated any moral authority in the region. The CIA has finally admitted it overthrew a democratically-elected leader in Iran. How did that work out? We armed Afghani freedom fighters against the Russians, and created a lawless country where the worst terrorist attack in US history was planned. We went to war in Iraq based on a pack of fabrications. That's working out just peachy too.

Who are we supposed to support now, in Syria, or Egypt? The administration responsible for slaughtering over a hundred thousand people so far, or the anti-American Islamists? Choose carefully now, because our decisions are going to haunt us for decades.

There are no good answers. Heck, there aren't really any 'answers' period. 

 
Exactly. The answer is to stop meddling in the affairs of others and mind our own business.

Let the isolationist cat-calls begin.
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Posted: Aug 22, 2013 - 9:31am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

this seems a bit hawkish for you...

 
It does, but there has been noise made about chemical weapons being a 'game changer'.

But more to the point, what should we (not 'Obama' or 'Congress', but WE) do in Syria? Bomb somebody? Who? Put troops on the ground? Where? Enact economic sanctions? Who would that hurt, or influence?

We have utterly abdicated any moral authority in the region. The CIA has finally admitted it overthrew a democratically-elected leader in Iran. How did that work out? We armed Afghani freedom fighters against the Russians, and created a lawless country where the worst terrorist attack in US history was planned. We went to war in Iraq based on a pack of fabrications. That's working out just peachy too.

Who are we supposed to support now, in Syria, or Egypt? The administration responsible for slaughtering over a hundred thousand people so far, or the anti-American Islamists? Choose carefully now, because our decisions are going to haunt us for decades.

There are no good answers. Heck, there aren't really any 'answers' period. 
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Posted: Aug 22, 2013 - 9:09am

 aflanigan wrote: 
this seems a bit hawkish for you...
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