The Obituary Page
- Red_Dragon - Jan 30, 2023 - 6:58pm
• • • Name My Possum • • •
- haresfur - Jan 30, 2023 - 6:51pm
Upcoming concerts or shows you can't wait to see
- Coaxial - Jan 30, 2023 - 6:09pm
Wordle - daily game
- geoff_morphini - Jan 30, 2023 - 5:49pm
Ukraine
- R_P - Jan 30, 2023 - 5:35pm
Photography Forum - Your Own Photos
- Manbird - Jan 30, 2023 - 3:35pm
TV shows you watch
- Manbird - Jan 30, 2023 - 3:32pm
Things You Thought Today
- Steely_D - Jan 30, 2023 - 2:55pm
Guns
- Red_Dragon - Jan 30, 2023 - 2:11pm
Beer
- DaveInSaoMiguel - Jan 30, 2023 - 1:57pm
Are you ready for some football?
- cc_rider - Jan 30, 2023 - 8:02am
Out the window
- DaveInSaoMiguel - Jan 30, 2023 - 7:56am
Radio Paradise Comments
- cc_rider - Jan 30, 2023 - 7:55am
Things I Saw Today...
- Red_Dragon - Jan 30, 2023 - 6:52am
Today in History
- Red_Dragon - Jan 30, 2023 - 5:45am
Florida
- miamizsun - Jan 30, 2023 - 4:18am
USA! USA! USA!
- KurtfromLaQuinta - Jan 29, 2023 - 9:07pm
NASA & other news from space
- kurtster - Jan 29, 2023 - 8:05pm
SCOTUS
- Red_Dragon - Jan 29, 2023 - 2:43pm
New Music
- haresfur - Jan 29, 2023 - 12:34pm
Pretty Darn Good Bass Lines - among the best....
- miamizsun - Jan 29, 2023 - 8:28am
Outstanding Covers
- Coaxial - Jan 29, 2023 - 7:56am
Bad Poetry
- miamizsun - Jan 29, 2023 - 7:41am
Audials
- roger.holroyd1217 - Jan 29, 2023 - 3:31am
The strange tale of KFAT
- oldviolin - Jan 28, 2023 - 8:57pm
Sunrise, Sunset
- islander - Jan 28, 2023 - 6:25pm
What Did You Do Today?
- Bill_J - Jan 28, 2023 - 6:24pm
Strange signs, marquees, billboards, etc.
- Isabeau - Jan 28, 2023 - 1:34pm
Economix
- R_P - Jan 28, 2023 - 12:07pm
Bug Reports & Feature Requests
- geoff_morphini - Jan 28, 2023 - 7:43am
Music Requests
- Ralf - Jan 28, 2023 - 7:39am
last.fm-scrobbling
- hans-juergen - Jan 28, 2023 - 12:25am
Immigration
- westslope - Jan 27, 2023 - 4:13pm
Mixtape Culture Club
- Steely_D - Jan 27, 2023 - 3:39pm
Linking to "What's Playing"
- fraenki - Jan 27, 2023 - 2:18pm
What Makes You Cry :) ?
- black321 - Jan 27, 2023 - 12:42pm
Talk Behind Their Backs Forum
- GeneP59 - Jan 27, 2023 - 10:19am
The Monks of Zagorsk
- cathyetsylvain - Jan 27, 2023 - 9:16am
Having a Bad Day???
- GeneP59 - Jan 26, 2023 - 8:27pm
Living in America
- Red_Dragon - Jan 26, 2023 - 8:16pm
Things for which you would sell ManBird's soul
- GeneP59 - Jan 26, 2023 - 7:53pm
Trump
- haresfur - Jan 26, 2023 - 3:59pm
OUR CATS!!
- Isabeau - Jan 26, 2023 - 3:02pm
Oil, Gas Prices & Other Crapola
- black321 - Jan 26, 2023 - 12:44pm
RightWingNutZ
- R_P - Jan 26, 2023 - 12:20pm
Anti-War
- R_P - Jan 26, 2023 - 10:07am
21st century technology
- black321 - Jan 26, 2023 - 9:44am
The end of the world
- miamizsun - Jan 26, 2023 - 6:38am
Joe Biden
- kcar - Jan 25, 2023 - 9:21pm
Love is...
- Isabeau - Jan 25, 2023 - 6:03pm
Least Successful Phishing Scams
- Proclivities - Jan 25, 2023 - 6:35am
Poetry Forum
- ScottN - Jan 25, 2023 - 5:12am
a thank you for the team
- guy-wernher - Jan 25, 2023 - 3:05am
COVID-19
- thisbody - Jan 24, 2023 - 3:41pm
Todd Rundgren
- Steely_D - Jan 24, 2023 - 11:08am
Republican Party
- ScottFromWyoming - Jan 24, 2023 - 8:35am
Nuclear power - saviour or scourge?
- miamizsun - Jan 24, 2023 - 6:44am
Surfing!
- thisbody - Jan 24, 2023 - 2:15am
::odd but intriguing::
- KurtfromLaQuinta - Jan 23, 2023 - 9:00pm
Manbird's Episiotomy Stitch Licking Clinic - KEEP OUT
- miamizsun - Jan 23, 2023 - 3:09pm
Way Cool Video
- miamizsun - Jan 23, 2023 - 2:00pm
Russia
- cc_rider - Jan 23, 2023 - 8:14am
NOT Main Mix
- ScopPics - Jan 23, 2023 - 4:25am
Memorials - Remembering Our Loved Ones
- GeneP59 - Jan 22, 2023 - 9:14am
News of the Weird
- Bill_J - Jan 20, 2023 - 7:51pm
Breaking News
- ScottFromWyoming - Jan 20, 2023 - 2:57pm
Philosophy (Meaty Metaphysical Munchables!)
- R_P - Jan 20, 2023 - 1:48pm
The Bucket List
- miamizsun - Jan 20, 2023 - 10:38am
Derplahoma!
- Red_Dragon - Jan 20, 2023 - 10:02am
Things that make you go Hmmmm.....
- haresfur - Jan 19, 2023 - 8:14pm
What music have you paid real money for recently?
- kurtster - Jan 19, 2023 - 7:30pm
Twitter's finest moment
- westslope - Jan 19, 2023 - 7:03pm
Tidal / Spotify
- bigbargain - Jan 19, 2023 - 2:33pm
Is there any GOOD news out there?
- black321 - Jan 19, 2023 - 2:06pm
Tesla (motors, batteries, etc)
- Steely_D - Jan 19, 2023 - 11:17am
|
Index »
Radio Paradise/General »
General Discussion »
Oh GOD, they're GAY!
|
Page: Previous 1, 2, 3, 4 ... 38, 39, 40 Next |
Antigone

Location: A house, in a Virginian Valley Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 6:29pm |
|
Very nice, R! Manbird wrote:Weird story but true: I had just finished uploading a couple LGBTQIA shirts I designed and went to lay down, checked my iPad and there was a PM on FB from my best gay friend whom I had lost touch with over the last 20 or more years. Such strange coincideñcio!Anyway, here are the results of my designs. I have to credit Mag for the saying on the 2nd shirt. The designs are mine but nothing is really original - I'm sure heart has been done x 1000.  
|
|
Manbird

Location: Owl Creek Bridge Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 5:16pm |
|
Weird story but true: I had just finished uploading a couple LGBTQIA shirts I designed and went to lay down, checked my iPad and there was a PM on FB from my best gay friend whom I had lost touch with over the last 20 or more years. Such strange coincideñcio!Anyway, here are the results of my designs. I have to credit Mag for the saying on the 2nd shirt. The designs are mine but nothing is really original - I'm sure heart has been done x 1000. 
|
|
sirdroseph

Location: Not here, I tell you wat Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 9:08am |
|
 meower wrote: I was thinking that before. some people don't like when we start a new thread, but I do think in this case it's warranted.... Gonna start a thread
Â
Thanks! I welcome your input as probably the one with the most knowledge on the subject.
|
|
meower

Location: i believe, i believe, it's silly, but I believe Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 9:05am |
|
sirdroseph wrote: ptooey wrote: sirdroseph wrote: ...we humans are all the same... I might have found the root of the comprehension issue. Dependent upon the context of the question; we are all the same and we are all different. It is the sameness that we share that helps us understand our differences as individuals. Edit: I apologize for putting this in this thread when in reality this specific discussion has very little to do with sexuality only in the context of using sexuality as a baseline difference than gender. I just could not find a specific gender topic. I was thinking that before. some people don't like when we start a new thread, but I do think in this case it's warranted.... Gonna start a thread
|
|
meower

Location: i believe, i believe, it's silly, but I believe Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 8:57am |
|
sirdroseph wrote: ptooey wrote: sirdroseph wrote: ...we humans are all the same... I might have found the root of the comprehension issue. Dependent upon the context of the question; we are all the same and we are all different. It is the sameness that we share that helps us understand our differences as individuals. but, if you're thinking for one second that the experience of gender is something as "all the same" as the fact that we all bleed red, therein lies the issue. Empathy is the ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes and think outside of your own experience.
|
|
sirdroseph

Location: Not here, I tell you wat Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 8:51am |
|
 ptooey wrote: sirdroseph wrote: ...we humans are all the same...  I might have found the root of the comprehension issue. Â
Dependent upon the context of the question; we are all the same and we are all different. It is the sameness that we share that helps us understand our differences as individuals.
Edit: I apologize for putting this in this thread when in reality this specific discussion has very little to do with sexuality only in the context of using sexuality as a baseline difference than gender. I just could not find a specific gender topic.
|
|
ptooey

Location: right behind you. no, over there. Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 8:42am |
|
sirdroseph wrote: ...we humans are all the same... I might have found the root of the comprehension issue.
|
|
sirdroseph

Location: Not here, I tell you wat Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 8:39am |
|
 Lazy8 wrote: sirdroseph wrote: I actually do not recall asking for government intervention on anything. And the history of your partners genitals is indeed not a matter for government intervention, but it is a matter for you as her husband, pretty sure I made that clear. I was kind of asking for nothing but an intellectual explanation on how one can feel gender as an identity when I cannot. That's where all this becomes a matter for public debate; unless someone is going to write a law it's all just talk. Which is fine, talk all you like. But at the current moment we aren't just talking, this is about policy and people with guns enforcing it. Â
It is?? I guess I just don't get where you are coming from. I don't want anything from our government regarding this issue, I agree that government should have nothing to do with this. I am just struggling to understand the gender aspect because I instantly and intrinsically understand all other aspects of sexuality because I have sexuality myself and we humans are all the same, but I do not have a gender, I am a gender and cannot comprehend the difference and guess I never will in regards to all of those that apparently do have the ability to feel gender.
|
|
Lazy8

Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 8:27am |
|
sirdroseph wrote: I actually do not recall asking for government intervention on anything. And the history of your partners genitals is indeed not a matter for government intervention, but it is a matter for you as her husband, pretty sure I made that clear. I was kind of asking for nothing but an intellectual explanation on how one can feel gender as an identity when I cannot. That's where all this becomes a matter for public debate; unless someone is going to write a law it's all just talk. Which is fine, talk all you like. But at the current moment we aren't just talking, this is about policy and people with guns enforcing it.
|
|
sirdroseph

Location: Not here, I tell you wat Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 8:21am |
|
 Lazy8 wrote: sirdroseph wrote:It is in 2 incidents if the surgery was cost prohibitive and this elected plastic surgery were driving my taxes and health premiums up and of course the moral obligation of informing future sexual partners of your birth gender. If your wife were born a man, maybe it matters to you and maybe it does not, but you should have full knowledge to make that choice. Insurance coverage of gender reassignment surgery is separable from government intervention in people's lives. Heart disease is terribly expensive to treat, but that doesn't justify government prohibiting eating bacon or smoking. The history of my partners genitals is also not a matter for government intervention. Â
I actually do not recall asking for government intervention on anything. And the history of your partners genitals is indeed not a matter for government intervention, but it is a matter for you as her husband, pretty sure I made that clear. I was kind of asking for nothing but an intellectual explanation on how one can feel gender as an identity when I cannot.
|
|
Lazy8

Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 8:11am |
|
sirdroseph wrote:It is in 2 incidents if the surgery was cost prohibitive and this elected plastic surgery were driving my taxes and health premiums up and of course the moral obligation of informing future sexual partners of your birth gender. If your wife were born a man, maybe it matters to you and maybe it does not, but you should have full knowledge to make that choice. Insurance coverage of gender reassignment surgery is separable from government intervention in people's lives. Heart disease is terribly expensive to treat, but that doesn't justify government prohibiting eating bacon or smoking. The history of my partners genitals is also not a matter for government intervention.
|
|
Proclivities

Location: Paris of the Piedmont Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 7:30am |
|
sirdroseph wrote: Lazy8 wrote: sirdroseph wrote: That's good to know. I guess, but it really shouldn't drive the debate. The state of your reproductive organs is no one else's business. It is in 2 incidents if the surgery was cost prohibitive and this elected plastic surgery were driving my taxes and health premiums up and of course the moral obligation of informing future sexual partners of your birth gender. If your wife were born a man, maybe it matters to you and maybe it does not, but you should have full knowledge to make that choice. So-called "cosmetic" surgeries of any sort are not often covered by general health insurance or taxpayer coffers, though there is an increase in coverage with some insurance companies, given the criteria that Meower pointed out.
|
|
sirdroseph

Location: Not here, I tell you wat Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 7:25am |
|
 meower wrote: So true, But since others are concerned about it, you cant get the surgery covered (and most surgeons won't do it) without proof of years living with gender dysphoria and documented MH access.  Â
Actually I didn't know that. Thank you that does seem reasonable.
|
|
sirdroseph

Location: Not here, I tell you wat Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 7:11am |
|
 Lazy8 wrote: sirdroseph wrote: That's good to know. I guess, but it really shouldn't drive the debate. The state of your reproductive organs is no one else's business. Â
It is in 2 incidents if the surgery was cost prohibitive and this elected plastic surgery were driving my taxes and health premiums up and of course the moral obligation of informing future sexual partners of your birth gender. If your wife were born a man, maybe it matters to you and maybe it does not, but you should have full knowledge to make that choice.
|
|
meower

Location: i believe, i believe, it's silly, but I believe Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 6:57am |
|
Lazy8 wrote: sirdroseph wrote: That's good to know. I guess, but it really shouldn't drive the debate. The state of your reproductive organs is no one else's business. So true, But since others are concerned about it, you cant get the surgery covered (and most surgeons won't do it) without proof of years living with gender dysphoria and documented MH access.
|
|
Lazy8

Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 6:51am |
|
sirdroseph wrote: That's good to know. I guess, but it really shouldn't drive the debate. The state of your reproductive organs is no one else's business.
|
|
sirdroseph

Location: Not here, I tell you wat Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 6:43am |
|
 Lazy8 wrote: sirdroseph wrote:Ultimately this is where I am going to come down as well, doesn't mean that much to me personally other than intellectually not understanding. Provided the costly medical expenses involved though it is probably costing us all a good chunk of change in the form of health insurance premiums and taxes. Not as much as you might think. Not every transgendered person opts for surgery and hormone therapy isn't that costly. Â
That's good to know.
|
|
Lazy8

Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 6:41am |
|
sirdroseph wrote:Ultimately this is where I am going to come down as well, doesn't mean that much to me personally other than intellectually not understanding. Provided the costly medical expenses involved though it is probably costing us all a good chunk of change in the form of health insurance premiums and taxes. Not as much as you might think. Not every transgendered person opts for surgery and hormone therapy isn't that costly.
|
|
sirdroseph

Location: Not here, I tell you wat Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 4:21am |
|
 ScottFromWyoming wrote: Clearly (to me), there's an intensity of feeling that goes beyond anything I can relate to. So for the people who go through with it, I give them a pass, even while I suspect it won't help with the big picture of where that intense feeling comes from. Â
Â
Ultimately this is where I am going to come down as well, doesn't mean that much to me personally other than intellectually not understanding. Provided the costly medical expenses involved though it is probably costing us all a good chunk of change in the form of health insurance premiums and taxes.
|
|
sirdroseph

Location: Not here, I tell you wat Gender:  
|
Posted:
Mar 26, 2018 - 2:08am |
|
BlueHeronDruid wrote: There were a couple of TG people here some years ago. This is what I learned.
It's not about sexuality. It's about identity.
Imagine waking up every morning with male parts, but knowing - not thinking, knowing - that you're actually a girl. A real girl trapped in a boy's body. The whole world sees you like a boy, and treats you like a boy. And inside, you know you're a girl. It's not an opinion. It's a fact. You are a girl inside.
I can't imagine having to live with that. I cannot imagine that because I don't even know what it is like to feel like a male. See this is what I don't understand. I cannot comprehend identity as a feeling at all anymore than seeing music (and I have experienced synesthesia under the influence of lsd) or tasting color. I do not feel like a male or a female and I do not understand the concept at all. I have feeling and desires for women because I happen to have been born heterosexual, but do not understand the concept of an internal feeling in regards to gender at all, it is just biology. I mean if I feel like I am black do I have the right to surgically alter myself to look just like an African American and demand to be treated like one in all aspects of society including affirmative action, anti discrimination laws and so forth even though I was not born with the experience of being an African American having my ancestors oppressed and enslaved and so forth just like Rachel Dolenz? Is it ok for Caitlyn Jenner to be the woman of the year and participate in women's equality events as a woman even though she has been a man most of her life not subject to discrimination that women face? This does not seem fair to me. I guess this aspect is something I will never understand. Gender is nothing but biology and social construct based upon that biology, we dress differently for the most part and have different roles based upon our biology and physical appearance something we already have the freedom to completely reject if we want, men are free to dress as women and vice versa. Women and other minorities have fought for and are fighting for equal and interchangeable roles in all aspects of society and more power to them. Roles are not biology. Oh well, I guess this is the impasse here. Thanks for your comments!
|
|
|