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rgio

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Posted: Oct 19, 2023 - 1:17pm


Jordan is pushing forward with his speaker bid, but it is looking more unrealistic with faltering support



I'm running....no, I'm not... wait, I am.  It would be impossible for the Republicans to do more wrong in 9 months of running the House.


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Posted: Oct 18, 2023 - 9:03pm

 steeler wrote:

I never said it was all the fault of Gaetz. In my view, though, he does epitomize what is wrong with the state of our politics. 



Reminder:  

list of 147 republicans who voted not to certify the election

Jordan is in the list. He should not be speaker, third in line to the presidency. He really shouldn't be in Congress. He also epitomizes what is wrong with the state of our politics.

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kurtster

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Posted: Oct 18, 2023 - 2:53pm

 steeler wrote:
 In my view, though, he does epitomize what is wrong with the state of our politics. 
 
We agree.  He is not the only one.  He is certainly one of many examples. 

Meanwhile, we're still adrift with no shore in sight.  
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steeler

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Posted: Oct 18, 2023 - 2:45pm

 kurtster wrote:

So I guess that it is all Gaetz' fault and no one else's

So here we are.  Now what ?

I never said it was all the fault of Gaetz. In my view, though, he does epitomize what is wrong with the state of our politics. 

rgio

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Posted: Oct 18, 2023 - 2:43pm

 kurtster wrote:
And just to be clear, I have no use for Gaetz and would like to know what is wrong with a democrat or two voting for a repub speaker in order to have a moment where people come together for the good of the country ?

But I am also not stupid enough to think that a democrat would even think of breaking rank and do something for the good of the country instead of only the party.  McCarthy did and look what it got him.

The Republicans don't like their own choices... why don't a few of them do what's best for the country and vote for Hakeem Jeffries?

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Posted: Oct 18, 2023 - 2:25pm

 rgio wrote:
We sit here and watch nothing get done because the Republicans are so scared of the MAGA base that they couldn't run a middle school dance... and wait for you to blame Biden when the government fails to deliver.
 
Well you're already putting all the blame on the republicans so why can't I blame Biden ?

And just to be clear, I have no use for Gaetz and would like to know what is wrong with a democrat or two voting for a repub speaker in order to have a moment where people come together for the good of the country ?

But I am also not stupid enough to think that a democrat would even think of breaking rank and do something for the good of the country instead of only the party.  McCarthy did and look what it got him.
rgio

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Posted: Oct 18, 2023 - 2:13pm

 kurtster wrote:

So I guess that it is all Gaetz' fault and no one else's

So here we are.  Now what ?

We sit here and watch nothing get done because the Republicans are so scared of the MAGA base that they couldn't run a middle school dance... and wait for you to blame Biden when the government fails to deliver.

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Posted: Oct 18, 2023 - 1:56pm

 steeler wrote:
The Democrats did vote with Gaetz and the other 7 Republicans to remove McCarthy on the motion of Gaetz to vacate the speaker. Gaetz did say before the vote that if enough Democrats voted to keep McCarthy, that would prove that McCarthy was not the Speaker for the Republicans. And he also said he likely would keep bringing a motion to vacate virtually every day if McCarthy survived. So, I would say Gaetz was fired up before and regardless of the Democrats voting to remove McCarthy. 
 
So I guess that it is all Gaetz' fault and no one else's

So here we are.  Now what ?
steeler

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Posted: Oct 18, 2023 - 1:53pm

 kurtster wrote:

I have heard the possibility of bringing in Gingrich.

But let us not forget that the democrats voted unanimously to remove McCarthy after he stuck his neck out for the good of the country to get a bill done to keep the country open for another 45 days (IIRC) and that is what got Gaetz, et al all fired up.

So I also hold the democrats equally responsible for this problem.

Now we got nothing and those 45 days are ticking away with all kinds of shit hitting the fan.

The Democrats did vote with Gaetz and the other 7 Republicans to remove McCarthy on the motion of Gaetz to vacate the speaker. Gaetz did say before the vote that if enough Democrats voted to keep McCarthy, that would prove that McCarthy was not the Speaker for the Republicans. And he also said he likely would keep bringing a motion to vacate virtually every day if McCarthy survived. So, I would say Gaetz was fired up before and regardless of the Democrats voting to remove McCarthy. 

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Posted: Oct 18, 2023 - 1:37pm

 steeler wrote:
Jim Jordan’s past as a bomb thrower does not bode well for a tenure as Speaker. And this is not just about blocking Jordan. If Jordan were to ascend to speaker, that would serve to further embolden the Matt Gaetz types, those who are ideologues largely uninterested in governing, focusing instead on getting national attention and raising funds by tossing divisive red meat. This could be a pivotal moment. We can hope. Not holding my breath on that, but we do need to break out of this downward spiral — somehow.
 
I have heard the possibility of bringing in Gingrich.

But let us not forget that the democrats voted unanimously to remove McCarthy after he stuck his neck out for the good of the country to get a bill done to keep the country open for another 45 days (IIRC) and that is what got Gaetz, et al all fired up.

So I also hold the democrats equally responsible for this problem.

Now we got nothing and those 45 days are ticking away with all kinds of shit hitting the fan.
steeler

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Posted: Oct 18, 2023 - 12:55pm

Jim Jordan’s past as a bomb thrower does not bode well for a tenure as Speaker. And this is not just about blocking Jordan. If Jordan were to ascend to speaker, that would serve to further embolden the Matt Gaetz types, those who are ideologues largely uninterested in governing, focusing instead on getting national attention and raising funds by tossing divisive red meat. This could be a pivotal moment. We can hope. Not holding my breath on that, but we do need to break out of this downward spiral — somehow.

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Posted: Oct 17, 2023 - 12:28pm

 rgio wrote:

So what's interesting is that Republicans have literally painted themselves into a corner that many of them are going to get hammered on leading up to next years elections.

Do you vote for a January 6, stolen election, MAGA conspiracy supporter to lead a branch of government... or do you reinforce the fact that even the Republican Party can't agree on anything amongst themselves?

Either way... unless you're from a safe, hard-right district... you should expect a lot of questions that you're not going to like the answers to next summer and fall.


Cynically, if he were to become Speaker, I think the likelihood of an assassination attempt on both the P and VP would become much higher.

Also, if he were in that Speaker role, does anyone expect anything useful for the nation to be done? I just see him as a bully blowhard without any reality to back him up. And, in the long run, doesn’t that mean he’s just gonna waste everyone’s time and - like Trump - let the country fall into more ungoverned chaos (which is, of course, the Democrats’ fault) 



rgio

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Posted: Oct 17, 2023 - 12:22pm

 steeler wrote:

Indeed. Venting.


So what's interesting is that Republicans have literally painted themselves into a corner that many of them are going to get hammered on leading up to next years elections.

Do you vote for a January 6, stolen election, MAGA conspiracy supporter to lead a branch of government... or do you reinforce the fact that even the Republican Party can't agree on anything amongst themselves?

Either way... unless you're from a safe, hard-right district... you should expect a lot of questions that you're not going to like the answers to next summer and fall.
steeler

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Posted: Oct 17, 2023 - 11:58am

 kcar wrote:

Totally agree but I think you're mostly preaching to the choir...


Indeed. Venting.

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Posted: Oct 17, 2023 - 11:56am

 steeler wrote:

Jim Jordan’s fingerprints were all over what transpired on January 6 regarding the attempts to decertify the election results and declare Trump the winner. He should not be elected Speaker.


Totally agree but I think you're mostly preaching to the choir...

steeler

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Posted: Oct 17, 2023 - 9:20am

Jim Jordan’s fingerprints were all over what transpired on January 6 regarding the attempts to decertify the election results and declare Trump the winner. He should not be elected Speaker.
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Posted: Sep 22, 2023 - 10:07am

"Propriety" is an ambiguous and ever-shifting concept, which makes it perfect for Republicans looking for a pretext to deny the legitmacy of Democrats. They're desperate to say that Fetterman doesn't belong, and will grab onto any excuse, even something as dumb as an oversized hoodie. But, of course, the real reason Republicans don't want Fetterman around is because they don't think his voters had a right to choose him in the first place.
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Posted: Jul 28, 2023 - 1:01pm

 rgio wrote:

Sen. McConnell says he plans to serve his full term as leader despite questions about his 

Maybe the Senate should cut a deal...Dianne and Mitch retire together?


and then the GOP, to the surprise of no one: 

rgio

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Posted: Jul 28, 2023 - 12:40pm

Sen. McConnell says he plans to serve his full term as leader despite questions about his health

He'll have to "win" majority/minority speaker again after 2024, but his term in office is until 2026.

Given the known falls and the fact he's using a wheelchair when he's not on camera, I'll go on record as guessing he won't make it until the end of 2026.

Maybe the Senate should cut a deal...Dianne and Mitch retire together?


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